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If shield redistribution rate became part of the ship stats and tac team added a precentage boost to that?
So tac team is what it is in the current meta. Having flown a bunch of ships, and urging to go back to flying a beam boat this was something that occured to me. Its not so much that tac team is op, but its just very very good compare to its Tac ens competition. It negatively impacts broad siding, and helps to lower Escorts reliance on outsides heals. Since all those shield proc heals, thanks to the high uptime of TT are very effective.
so if we tie shield redistribution rate to ship stats following the formula that the higher your turn rate, the lowers your shield redistribution rate, we could lower the gap between slow and fast turners in pvp. Something that Cryptic, imv, still hasn't quite wrapped their Dev heads around, just how important turn is there.
Tac Team would add a percentage boost based of the targets native distribution rate. This way it would be easier for beam boats to keep broadsiding, since they don't have to turn way their shields facing quite so franticaly, and escorts would have to turn more to keep their shields facing protected, lowering their time on target.
Let's hear it thoughts, criticisms, good / bad?
So tac team is what it is in the current meta. Having flown a bunch of ships, and urging to go back to flying a beam boat this was something that occured to me. Its not so much that tac team is op, but its just very very good compare to its Tac ens competition. It negatively impacts broad siding, and helps to lower Escorts reliance on outsides heals. Since all those shield proc heals, thanks to the high uptime of TT are very effective.
so if we tie shield redistribution rate to ship stats following the formula that the higher your turn rate, the lowers your shield redistribution rate, we could lower the gap between slow and fast turners in pvp. Something that Cryptic, imv, still hasn't quite wrapped their Dev heads around, just how important turn is there.
Tac Team would add a percentage boost based of the targets native distribution rate. This way it would be easier for beam boats to keep broadsiding, since they don't have to turn way their shields facing quite so franticaly, and escorts would have to turn more to keep their shields facing protected, lowering their time on target.
Let's hear it thoughts, criticisms, good / bad?
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I don't intend this to be the death of alphas, just to make [Turn] less of a "stat that rules them all. Why not get some sort of synergy going for piloting and survivability. Where slow turners are not punished for being bad escorts, and fast turners are not being awarded for going back and forth in a straight line at little opportunity cost. If need be I'd be even ok with adjusting hit point numbers by bringing them closer together, in order to compensate this new survivability boost.
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when asking such questions, you should first ask yourself two.
is it going to hurt escorts?
if yes, then cryptic will not implement it
is it going to benefit sci and cruisers more than escorts?
if yes, then cryptic will not implement it
if both are yes, then the topic opened for it, could be considered a troll topic, and should be closed
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No more "I got shot when I wasnt ready, so you know they where exploiting" threads.
No more "I can only play X hours a day and cant spend X to stay competitve but I should still Rule in PvP" threads.
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The list goes on and on. Killing PvP would solve a lot.....
And make the game less appealing as a whole.
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wrong section .QQing about escorts is in pve forums.
On topic:
How you people come up with these ideas?
The world is not ready Havem, the world is not ready!!
Quite interesting though. It's one of the sort of crazy things I think Gozer always want to do to give PVP a shakeup.
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[Turn] is a great offensive mod, it allows you to bring low arc weapons to bear on our target.
[Turn] is also a great defensive mod, since it allows you to move a shield facing away from enemy fire quickly.
As a long time healboat slow sci captain, the game constantly pushes me to fly escort style. Both in PvE and PvP, when i jumped into my shinney D'D I revisted my old beam boat builds, which is when i realized. Just how much offense is gained by being able to use DHC with a high Time on target, and how much defense as well. The whole playstyle of slow turning boats is dead.
The changes I have in mind should make fast turners, depend on their piloting for defense, having to sacrifice time on target for survivability. While slow turners are punished less for having to use lower DPS weapons, and having shield facings longer exposed to fast turners. Just as slow turners offense depends on piloting as well.
Best part is for most of PvE (no npc is rebalancing their shields anyway) you wouldn't really feel much of a difference. But for PvP this might be interessting.
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a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
if you fly slow turning ships how about using TT? oh wait you want to change that lol
First of all slow turners equipping TT do so at a much higher opportunity cost then fast turners. Since they devote one of their few tac BO slots for defence.
Second TT was changed because of all Cannon Defiant QQ about how useless their three tac ensing slots are. Not because slow turners needed better shield distro.
Third, If you read the OP, this is about introducing more variety in effectiveness of TT, by changing the underlying math. Instead of the current one size fits all, that also locks TT2 and TT3 our of the equation while ST3 and ET3 are viable options for PvP. Keeping the anti-alpha function in tact. I really don't see how it would be rendered useless. It would simply be more effective on slow targets, and less effective on fast targets. Please tell me how that would be pre-season 5?
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Why not just say "whaaaa!!! whaaaa!!! I want to be relevant by forcing others to neeeed meeee"?
Why not instead say "I want to be as relevant as tacscorts when doing my niche healer build"?7
Or better yet "those mean escorts! I may have to learn to play!! whaaaa!!!!!"
See? The more we think about what you're really saying the more ridiculous it sounds. I think you should put more time into figuring out a build you like on ship you can live with than trying to come up with bizarre suggestions in the hopes it'll get a groundswell of support and somehow become the "next thing" to nerf escorts. That or go play a proper fantasy MMO, lots of trinity play there.
how about using the way to op teamwork and ask for TT from a escort?I know that teamwork is op and needs nerf but its alot easier than changing the game just because theres nothing else to do.
Im sure they will remove nukara mines ,vm spread doffs ,and all the new sheet just to revert TT pre s5...
I dont think they want to kill PvP, just that it is not that big a blip on thier radar and due to that PvP has suffered.
All in all though, I like your idea.
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Escorts maybe but I like for my cruisers at least being picky with it to make the best use of my shield cap
You sir spend too much time on the PvE forums, actually this is a good idea depending on the values chosen for base, for skill buffs and for TT.
I'm not sure what you mean by that; TT pretty much makes optimal use of your shields even if you are fired on from multiple facings. And if it is up all the time there is nothing to decide.
Basically the whole point would be to give all ships the tanking ability of escorts with 2 copies of TT. (And more!)
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Reading first helps. The mechanics of cross healing stay the same, but if you want uber-distro you'd either fly a ship that has a high base distro, and turns slow, or you escort needs to equip TT3.
In either case cross-healing and distributing team skills would still work the same way as it does now. Please read before you project things into my post.
The target of TT gets a boost to distro (which is what is happening now). THe actual redistribution would be calculate with a different formula though, appling TT boost to its a ships base value. It doesn't matter who sends the TT or if target is ally or self. TT1 on A cruiser results in a certain distro speed, independent if that TT1 came from an escort, or was applied by the cruiser to it self .
I mean feel free to start your own thread about these issues. I have no idea what that has to do with the OP or anything for that matter. TT pre-season 5 had no impact on shield distribution. What i m proposing has nothing to do with that.
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One of the few really good ideas I've seen. I would assume it would also come with an auto-distrubition feature/option to even the playing field between those with custom keybinds and those without. But yes overall really good idea.
And you also hit the nail on the head as far as allowing an amazing offensive stat (turn) also being an amazing defensive stat (turn) being a bad idea.
theres no need to make differences in how tac team work based on the ship it is used
i think this skill is op, and it should:
A) make the shield distribution only last for 5 secs like other teams
i prefer B :P
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Yeah i can't remember which Dev way back talked about a balance pass for Tac Team.
I could get on board with
Without Tac team escort's could not achieve healing objective in the two mission that require them. Bummer i know, but unfortunately Systems will not go down this path.
As for the 5s, good point. Make it even all team skills 5 or 10 pick one.
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
I say it should be lower than most people's pings....even lower than the amount of thinking used in these ideas.
in ping ...which is measured in time (ms ) ....you were planning to make TT last abit more than the lag/delay people have.
As a whole I feel shields are still waaay to weak. If you look at a series like TNG, its generally shields that protect a ship. When those are breached for one reason or the other, the ship is in serious trouble. In STO shields are mostly a small buffer, and most of the tanking is done by the hull. When an escort opens up on you, your shields are gone in at most 3 seconds if you don't pop either tactical team or RSP.
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Tactical Team
Removes hostile boarding parties over 10 sec
Removes tactical debuffs over 10 sec
+18 Starship Energy Weapons Training for 10 sec
+18 Starship Projectile Weapons Training for 10 sec
Distributes shield strength to shields receiving damage for 10 sec
Engineering Team
+4,036 Hit Points
Repairs disabled systems over 5 sec
Science Team
11 Shield Regeneration applied once to each facing
Removes science debuffs for 5 sec