i really dont get it.. why in gods name am i "supplying" a "dilithium mining station" with dilitihium.. seems like this was not very well thought out..
over all this patch is kinda a flat tire on the sto car..
you updated azure nebula rescue, but didnt fix the bug.... i dont know what to say to that.. i mean this bug has been in since before the less than stellar expansion was released.. and i see that you take the time to update the ships your saving, but not fix the bug.. this is kind of a donkey move..
im really on my last string with this game.. dont get me wrong, i love it.. but im one of the few (from my vast friends list) who hasnt left yet.. its really really sad that nw, which just got out of beta, is a far superior game to sto.. i think a meeting of the cryptic dev's teams is in need, so sto can figure out why their team isnt firing on all cylinders..
I know it seems silly. Almost... insulting to your intelligence. Take it with a grain of salt, like season 5 of Sliders. If you get hung up on the absurd it'll just make you crazy
I'll sell you some weapons from New Romulus. Never fired, only dropped once.
I strongly encourage you to try mining iron without steel, or oil without fuel. Because while these things are technically possible if you can find a suitable deposit, there are a lot of pretty good reasons why they simply aren't done.
Also, if you haven't flown out to take a look, you don't actually have a mine yet. You have a rock, upon which you may begin building a mine. But right now it's a rock, and until you commit the resources to equip and construct the mine it's worth nothing. Once you've done so, you don't need to supply it with dilithium anymore, only refine what you extract.
Let's roleplay for a second.
You are a lowly human, here on Earth, mining Gold in California in the 1850's.
You have a claim, which you know has a lot of gold in it.
You have a decent amount of gold from your last claim.
You need to buy equipment, to mine your new claim.
What do you buy that equipment with?
You may have a partner, or an employee to help you mine.
What do you pay them in?
Let's roleplay for a second.
You are a lowly human, here on Earth, mining Gold in California in the 1850's.
You have a claim, which you know has a lot of gold in it.
You have a decent amount of gold from your last claim.
You need to buy equipment, to mine your new claim.
What do you buy that equipment with?
You may have a partner, or an employee to help you mine.
What do you pay them in?
I pay them in the U.S. Dollars I've accumulated, just like I'd use Energy Credits to purchase mining equipment and supplies.
Lets Roleplay a little more. Lets say you are a gold miner in the 1850's. You just setup a new claim. You have plenty of gold from the last claim. You then proceed to break down any building's at the last claim (called a tent) and move all tools and equipment to the new one. You then proceed to start mining again and have plenty of gold from the last claim. Lets go further, same situation now it is 2013. You do the same exact thing as was done in 1850 except now its a trailer instead of a tent and you do it every weekend.
Sorry i live in Northern California and recentlly moved from a gold rush city where infact i did do allot of dredging on weekends in ice cold rivers.
Realisticly you would not spend what you are planning on getting but use other means of getting the resources on site to get the job done. Especialy when the resource is used in warp cores. Does the mine have a warp core? no? Well then commodities and Doffs in larger amounts would have been the better choice, but then again grinding those does not make Cryptic any money in the Dilithium exchange from everyone buying zen to buy dilithium to fund projects.
Anyway it is odd to have to donate dilithium to get dilithium and time will tell if the mine produces more than it eats.
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Let's roleplay for a second.
You are a lowly human, here on Earth, mining Gold in California in the 1850's.
You have a claim, which you know has a lot of gold in it.
You have a decent amount of gold from your last claim.
You need to buy equipment, to mine your new claim.
What do you buy that equipment with?
You may have a partner, or an employee to help you mine.
What do you pay them in?
I have them sign an exclusive contract to live in housing I provide. And I open up a shop that sells all the food and supplies they need. I then pay them in company store tokens. Also they have to pay rent on the housing.
I know it seems silly. Almost... insulting to your intelligence. Take it with a grain of salt, like season 5 of Sliders. If you get hung up on the absurd it'll just make you crazy
Let's roleplay for a second.
You are a lowly human, here on Earth, mining Gold in California in the 1850's.
You have a claim, which you know has a lot of gold in it.
You have a decent amount of gold from your last claim.
You need to buy equipment, to mine your new claim.
What do you buy that equipment with?
You may have a partner, or an employee to help you mine.
What do you pay them in?
Only when the last rock has been mined; Only when subspace has been damaged beyond repair; Only when the Mudd family stops trading; Only then will you find that dilithium cannot be shoved in a replicator to create food and equipment like energy credits can.
Now I have to make a Native American character, thanks for that.....:rolleyes:
FKA K-Tar, grumpy Klingon/El-Aurian hybrid. Now assimilated by PWE.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I pay them in the U.S. Dollars I've accumulated, just like I'd use Energy Credits to purchase mining equipment and supplies.
And U.S. Dollars aren't a paper and coin representation of gold or anything, right? (OK, maybe not really anymore, but in theory...)
Energy Credits are effectively your replicator and holodeck rations for the purposes of Star Trek. You use them to either actually replicate stuff or pay others with your rations for stuff they have that you want. The Ferengi (as an example) wouldn't generally accept that as payment, they would prefer something a bit more real like Dilithium or Latinum.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
You mine Dilithium ore. You feed the development of the mine with refined Dilithium. Works for me.
Yeah, the problem is that you don't mine dilithium. The Ferengi simply let their ship hover over an asteroid and let you get out with an EV suit to mine on the surface. Obviously we are too stupid to do that.:D I get it from a game mechanics point of view, but lorewise dilithium crystals would only be needed for the power systems of a base. And I could throw half a dozen complete green warp cores at that without a problem.
FKA K-Tar, grumpy Klingon/El-Aurian hybrid. Now assimilated by PWE.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Dilithium in ST was used only in warp cores, I doubt that mine has warp core, because it don't travel in warp.
In my opinion whole mine should work a bit different, it should generate some number of dilithium ore every day and deposit it in fleet bank. Than yes, I can invest dilithium into mine, because I see that investment will pay off. Right now (when most Fleets have completed embassy and starbase) we have to put more dilithium than we will get back from discounts.
Let's roleplay for a second.
You are a lowly human, here on Earth, mining Gold in California in the 1850's.
You have a claim, which you know has a lot of gold in it.
You have a decent amount of gold from your last claim.
You need to buy equipment, to mine your new claim.
What do you buy that equipment with?
You may have a partner, or an employee to help you mine.
What do you pay them in?
What last claim?
Also, how did people ever mine dilithium if the process requires dilithium in the first place?
Let's roleplay for a second.
You are a lowly human, here on Earth, mining Gold in California in the 1850's.
You have a claim, which you know has a lot of gold in it.
You have a decent amount of gold from your last claim.
You need to buy equipment, to mine your new claim.
What do you buy that equipment with?
You may have a partner, or an employee to help you mine.
What do you pay them in?
lol taco, while i get what your trying to say.. let me introduce you to star trek the ip.. dilithium is not a currency in actual star trek canon, you guys made it one in the game.. your logic would make it so gold pressed latinum, or energy credits would be the logical investment.. (and to be honest, it would have been pretty cool to have gold pressed latinum (something to do with it finally besides save a few deferi lol..)
i likes ya taco, but what you said makes no sense.. dilithium, is used in warp cores, which creates power. ok, so lets say you need a warp core to creat power on in the mine. well we dont need 100's of thousands of dilithium.. lol....
to the other person saying that i could try to mine without steel and stuff like that.. ummm. dilithium is not steel.. you dont need large amounts of gold, to physically dig up gold.. you need steel like you said, tools.. dilithium is neither.. it is a crystal, that is apart of the power production system of a starship. and if i remember correctly, ive heard it mentioned on several episodes, that it wasnt really worth all that much, as there was an abundance of it..
and i love the soviet russia comment.. that made my day
but this might be one little oversight, but the game is full of them, which leads me to believe that the game isnt being taken seriously.. i mean, sometimes spell check isnt even used lol..
also, i keep hearing about how much this project is supposed to help small fleets.. well, making a holding that helped you gain more dil would have been nice.. but now, we just got another dil sink.. (i myself am in a very small fleet, just three) and i know, between the main projects, the embassy projects, and now the dil projects, were even more starved for dil than we ever were.. lol.. sure, later on down the road, it will help us obtain more dil, but the juice isnt worth the squeeze.. everything you get, is washed out by the fact that you need more dil in these holdings.. i seriously felt like cryptic was dangling the keys in front of my face, while getting ready to slap me with the other hand again lmao...
and nw, while not everyone cup of tea, is 100 times more stable than sto, has much better writing. has good pvp, it has a much better leveling smoothness to it.. not as buggy, and they actually do try to fix bugs and much more, its a very well rounded game, dont get me wrong.. sto, has superior graphics, has much better character creation, is a sci fi, and not fantasy (i like both but i know others are not into fantasy). but sto has some of the worst writing i have seen in a game (story line) it does an ok job bringing me my star trek experience, but it leaves me scratching my head alot.. honestly, there are some console games that caught the essence of star trek much much better than sto did. the sto team just doesnt seem to have the heartbeat of the game, yes, they brought us romulans in the "expansion" but what about the feds, that still outnumber both the romulans and klingons combined in player numbers.. i chose not to run a romulan.. and not even kidding, a day after the expansion, i was bored.. and still am..
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Also, if you haven't flown out to take a look, you don't actually have a mine yet. You have a rock, upon which you may begin building a mine. But right now it's a rock, and until you commit the resources to equip and construct the mine it's worth nothing. Once you've done so, you don't need to supply it with dilithium anymore, only refine what you extract.
You are a lowly human, here on Earth, mining Gold in California in the 1850's.
You have a claim, which you know has a lot of gold in it.
You have a decent amount of gold from your last claim.
You need to buy equipment, to mine your new claim.
What do you buy that equipment with?
You may have a partner, or an employee to help you mine.
What do you pay them in?
I pay them in the U.S. Dollars I've accumulated, just like I'd use Energy Credits to purchase mining equipment and supplies.
but see cryptic dont make money off EC like they do dill
but me i pay in diamonds so on lol
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Me playing UT2k4 (red guy) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0DnP7wXnU
Yup. Besides, people who walked around carrying gold back then to pay for everything tended to turn up dead with their gold missing.
Good one OP, this will keep me smiling throughout today!
I'm planning on opening a gold mine in my back yard, so can everyone send me about 2000 tons of gold, just so I can stick it in there?
here i gave you one pound of gold for you new mine but shhhh dont tell any one
system Lord Baal is dead
Sorry i live in Northern California and recentlly moved from a gold rush city where infact i did do allot of dredging on weekends in ice cold rivers.
Realisticly you would not spend what you are planning on getting but use other means of getting the resources on site to get the job done. Especialy when the resource is used in warp cores. Does the mine have a warp core? no? Well then commodities and Doffs in larger amounts would have been the better choice, but then again grinding those does not make Cryptic any money in the Dilithium exchange from everyone buying zen to buy dilithium to fund projects.
Anyway it is odd to have to donate dilithium to get dilithium and time will tell if the mine produces more than it eats.
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
If its a pound in weight, then i'll take it. if its the value of one pound (GBP) then you can keep it! looool
I have them sign an exclusive contract to live in housing I provide. And I open up a shop that sells all the food and supplies they need. I then pay them in company store tokens. Also they have to pay rent on the housing.
I agree with the OP, this is flipping stupid.
BTW, thanks for the laughs.
It's the 1850s. Even your money is just an abstraction of gold.
Only when the last rock has been mined; Only when subspace has been damaged beyond repair; Only when the Mudd family stops trading; Only then will you find that dilithium cannot be shoved in a replicator to create food and equipment like energy credits can.
Now I have to make a Native American character, thanks for that.....:rolleyes:
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Who actually thought of this?
So there's NO issues at all. :P
And U.S. Dollars aren't a paper and coin representation of gold or anything, right? (OK, maybe not really anymore, but in theory...)
Energy Credits are effectively your replicator and holodeck rations for the purposes of Star Trek. You use them to either actually replicate stuff or pay others with your rations for stuff they have that you want. The Ferengi (as an example) wouldn't generally accept that as payment, they would prefer something a bit more real like Dilithium or Latinum.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
Yeah, the problem is that you don't mine dilithium. The Ferengi simply let their ship hover over an asteroid and let you get out with an EV suit to mine on the surface. Obviously we are too stupid to do that.:D I get it from a game mechanics point of view, but lorewise dilithium crystals would only be needed for the power systems of a base. And I could throw half a dozen complete green warp cores at that without a problem.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
In my opinion whole mine should work a bit different, it should generate some number of dilithium ore every day and deposit it in fleet bank. Than yes, I can invest dilithium into mine, because I see that investment will pay off. Right now (when most Fleets have completed embassy and starbase) we have to put more dilithium than we will get back from discounts.
What last claim?
Also, how did people ever mine dilithium if the process requires dilithium in the first place?
and................ the world may never know :P
system Lord Baal is dead
lol taco, while i get what your trying to say.. let me introduce you to star trek the ip.. dilithium is not a currency in actual star trek canon, you guys made it one in the game.. your logic would make it so gold pressed latinum, or energy credits would be the logical investment.. (and to be honest, it would have been pretty cool to have gold pressed latinum (something to do with it finally besides save a few deferi lol..)
i likes ya taco, but what you said makes no sense.. dilithium, is used in warp cores, which creates power. ok, so lets say you need a warp core to creat power on in the mine. well we dont need 100's of thousands of dilithium.. lol....
to the other person saying that i could try to mine without steel and stuff like that.. ummm. dilithium is not steel.. you dont need large amounts of gold, to physically dig up gold.. you need steel like you said, tools.. dilithium is neither.. it is a crystal, that is apart of the power production system of a starship. and if i remember correctly, ive heard it mentioned on several episodes, that it wasnt really worth all that much, as there was an abundance of it..
and i love the soviet russia comment.. that made my day
but this might be one little oversight, but the game is full of them, which leads me to believe that the game isnt being taken seriously.. i mean, sometimes spell check isnt even used lol..
also, i keep hearing about how much this project is supposed to help small fleets.. well, making a holding that helped you gain more dil would have been nice.. but now, we just got another dil sink.. (i myself am in a very small fleet, just three) and i know, between the main projects, the embassy projects, and now the dil projects, were even more starved for dil than we ever were.. lol.. sure, later on down the road, it will help us obtain more dil, but the juice isnt worth the squeeze.. everything you get, is washed out by the fact that you need more dil in these holdings.. i seriously felt like cryptic was dangling the keys in front of my face, while getting ready to slap me with the other hand again lmao...
and nw, while not everyone cup of tea, is 100 times more stable than sto, has much better writing. has good pvp, it has a much better leveling smoothness to it.. not as buggy, and they actually do try to fix bugs and much more, its a very well rounded game, dont get me wrong.. sto, has superior graphics, has much better character creation, is a sci fi, and not fantasy (i like both but i know others are not into fantasy). but sto has some of the worst writing i have seen in a game (story line) it does an ok job bringing me my star trek experience, but it leaves me scratching my head alot.. honestly, there are some console games that caught the essence of star trek much much better than sto did. the sto team just doesnt seem to have the heartbeat of the game, yes, they brought us romulans in the "expansion" but what about the feds, that still outnumber both the romulans and klingons combined in player numbers.. i chose not to run a romulan.. and not even kidding, a day after the expansion, i was bored.. and still am..