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Eryon PvP League Rules Discussion
pascalb1
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http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=718511
Open rules discussion - anyone can come ( pvp members )
June 21st 2013 22:00 GMT+2
To take part:
- send me pm @pascalb1 for TS3 info
- or put your @handle down in here and I will send you a mail
Open rules discussion - anyone can come ( pvp members )
June 21st 2013 22:00 GMT+2
To take part:
- send me pm @pascalb1 for TS3 info
- or put your @handle down in here and I will send you a mail
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So because somebody "reports" it, it's true? Please don't belittle the standing of a fleet, specially when you have no proof. Just hearsay. I don't know many of Eryon, but the ones I do are upstanding members of the community. If I see Snog wandering past me in ESD and report him with a duck on his head, does that become true?
C'mon Pascal, why do all your plans take years to happen? Why do they always need the whole of PVP to be on your TS to talk it over for hours on end?
While it's not certain if i'll be at this meeting, I'm sure one member of Lag will. We're not a fleet built on long discussions, we don't sit and discuss things to the n'th degree. Just go back to your drawing board, come up with some rules that make a kind of sense then post the damn things. We're all here to play, not have meetings.
-Reg.
1/5 Part Investor of Uncle Snog's Duck-Hat Training School.
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
Why? FBP does a fair bit of damage sure but its not as if its a one shot killer and when i see someone with FBP who is doing damage to me i just move on.
Ummm.... riiiiiiight.
Again, came across this a lot in arena, the chained BO doesnt do much to a cruiser... an escort hover with its shield down, yeah that would hurt. Once again, something to protect the escort pilots out there.
Really... you want an entire class of energy damamge to not be used... REALLY? The Phaser Proc is MUCH MUCH more better ion my eyes than the Dizzy proc, if a Phaser proc drops a shield or stalls an engine that player is as good as dead. However, you choose the dizzy, which so happens to be the one major weapon the kingons use. Against a cruiser the dizzy proc doesnt really do much... but again, against an escort that dizzy proc does mean something.
BFAW/APO/PH all counters tractor mines. Once again, having a big old cruiser sitting there tractored doesnt really mean much to it, but you grab an escort in a tractor then Captain Pew Pew panics.
Again, the Breen Cluster dont really do much to Cruisers....
Why dont you make the rules easy, just say "No Cruisers Allowed" because obviously you are wanting to strip away the most used tactics that a cruiser pilot uses to stop or slow down or otherwise mitigate an Escort.
I'm not what anyone would class as a "PVP'er" im just jo average when it comes to PVP, but even i am shaking my head in utter disbelief at the rules for this.
@tmghost999
i exactly know what i saw and i would have recorded it if my laptop was a few years younger. it was a public queue match against 5 of eryon fleet and the few examples i listed in my post happened not only to me. so i thought it would fit to remind the community of how serious those millions of rules are taken by the ones who put them up.
before that pvp i dont think i ever met someone of eryon fleet in pvp and if, then i forgott it already. so there are no hard feelings toward this fleet, since i had no business with them until that day.
Noooo, tournaments don't work like that...
I bet this setup suits all your premade teams too. What a joke.
Normally my BOs blow you away with a single hit. I dont use and need BO chains, a single BO3 is enough. For cruisers and escorts.
What if you're getting nuked while this proc is killing your hull resistances? Then it's no matter wether you sit on a cruiser or an escort ...
TBH Pascal, Aquitaine is right. We need more pew pew and less bla bla. Just stick to the "No BS tournament" rules and everybody will be fine.
@butt3rkeks
I count myself fortunate to fly with Pascal.
So, if you have something negative to say about his team, you are saying it about me. Our KDF team abide by these rules. I cannot speak for our FED team but I do not see why they would be any different.
Anyone that knows half about me, knows what I bring to the fore.
Please do not post gross generalizations and rumors.
On every occassion Pascal has tried something, he receives the same abuse from the same people.
If you don't support it fine. There is no need to be insulting towards him. There are many that are willing to support PvP in whatever form that may be.
You're the one whose embarrassing himself. Pascal has conviction, what's your excuse.
Um...who do you think you are? Please take your "brotherhood" loving elsewhere. Anyone knows the fleets who posted here are trying to suck up to each other with "fleet politics" + attention grab, please don't take the vast majority of PvPers for fools. There is no way these sets of rules can work and certainly no need to create two separate threads back to back to do what? What's wrong with simply posting the meeting info in the existing thread? It's not as if that thread is over 30 days and can't be bumped? Isn't that interesting that a separate thread needs to be created for this "announcement"? Well, what convenient way to publish the fleet name in the titles one more time and make it look like it's so official and something. Then, two "unrelated" fleet "leaders" immediately jump to the defense of the OP, like coincidental much? Like I said, anyone with half a brain can see through what you guys are doing, please stop shameless self-promotion, it only makes your fleets look bad.
As for Gross generalization and rumors? Funny, did you selectively miss post #6, a 1st person testimony?
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=10911791&postcount=6
Let me guess, when someone reported alledged rules violations in your "great" fleet, you just dismissed those as "rumors" or "hearsay" because you know, the people being complained against is another "leader" and can't possibly do such thing. :cool: Boy, your world is either really idealistic or you are fooling yourself. Anyone missed the recent waves of sexual assault scandals in the military of countries such as the USA and Australia? Nope, it can't possibly happen, right? :rolleyes: In fact, a guy in leadership position responsible for preventing these crimes ended up committing them. Essentially, you are dismissing a reported violation by poster in #6 as "rumors" even though you weren't there. What does that say about you? Now, we don't know if that's true or not but surely, poster #6 is hell a lot more objective than you are based on your own behaviors displayed here. The responsible thing for the OP to do is acknowledge post #6's complaint given he is a leader in the fleet concerned, but nope, not a beep in the thread concerned. If someone accused a government official of corruption, do you think Obama should just stay quiet without saying a thing?
Finally, this is such a gem :
Insulting? Let's see what I actually wrote :
With all due respect, your proposed rules are outrageous as many have told you already in the previously linked thread. The way it's currently written, 99.9% of PvPers would be disallowed to take part - that's how ridiculous it is. Just give it up, it's quite embarrassing that you are even trying to promote this. Worse, someone reported PvP against your fleet and you guys are using the exact tools that are supposed to be "banned". Seriously, stop wasting your time and that of others.
- Did I call OP names? Nope
- Did I use foul language in anyway? Nope
- Did I make up rumors? Nope, the person who reported the allegation showed up in post #6 to report for the 2nd time what he saw
There can only one logical conclusion for anyone supposedly "honorable" to call this insulting : They are already biased and therefore don't care what was written. As for the real motivation, I'll leave that to very capable hands of each and every reader.
ill make mine ! rules : no men, just bugs, girls who want to join please give me your email. just one beam and ramming speed allowed just to avoid all the cheese and stuff, just mk 1 common gears, no consoles at all, and no skills at all, it will be the most cool tournament ever since it wont be unfair and completely cheese free !!!! 999kkk to join per team element, me and my very special nooby team had like a thousand meetings just to organize this ... plase, feel free to love it.
- all players except the organizing fleet and friends are restricted from slotting shields.
Should make it fair?
my "hearsay report" is not some opvp qqing because they used "forbidden" stuff, we won quite clearly if iirc (15-5ish) and as i said, i had no business with eryon fleet until then so there was no reason for me to trash talk them as if they were my arch enemy for years or so.
for me its just a question of principles, if you don't respect your own rules (which tbh are ridiculous) then why should anyone else take them serious?
Well, the Voyager Ablative Armor will still allow us, the Torpedo boats, to beat them up.
I believe you and feel your claim should at least be acknowledged and given due consideration since it puts a fleet into disrepute. The fact they chose to ignore you completely is not a good sign and doesn't reflect well on them.
You obviously missed the other rule:
- only the organizing fleet and friends can slot special consoles.
i could have asked the 4 guys from my fleet who played in my team to spam here as well because they also saw everything, maybe then the OP + friends wouldnt ignore me completelly but that on the other hand wouldn't reflect our fleet's pr policy
oh and how do you plan to use the voyager console if all others are not allowed to play in any other ship than the miranda? :P
That user's accusation was entirely heresay. With absolutely no merit without proof.
"i exactly know what i saw and i would have recorded it if my laptop was a few years younger"
What was it exactly that this user saw? Did he give any qualitative proof of his claim, or are we just meant to take everything someone claims as the truth.
That does not qualify as proof of any sort.
As to the rest of your post, your entire post was intended as being passive aggressive. This one is even more of an indictment.
~ Roar!
I don't necessarily care if there are rules or no rules. Either way people will complain.
I'm quite sure that when the next tournament arrives with no rules, it will soon be followed by people complaining that this team won because they spammed A, abused this power and that, or something else.
There's no pleasing anyone.
could someone else re-post this link? i'm that ominous user and are being continuously ignored by a bunch of ignorant people who want to organize a pvp league tailored to their flavor and now can't face the fact that not a single serious pvp fleet will take part due to countless ridiculous rules which even the organisator don't respect
You call me ignorant because I am asking you for proof?
Tailored to my flavor? Really?
I ran a Jemmy with 5x purple MKXII disruptor coils and 4x MKXII [acc]x3 DHC disruptors before joining Pascal.
I also had a polaron & tetryon build by the same setup. Again was asked to contribute something else.
He asked me that I not play in the team as a TAC with the disruptors in their state, and needed to have another build.
So I opted for a sci-healer in a Temporal Sci. Again was told that we could only have one on the team which was fine. I knew why.
How is that tailored to my flavor? Hell, I'm not even good at what I do - ask anyone. I blow-up like a melon. But I do not believe I have ever tried to manipulate something to my advantage.
Lack of hard evidence is not ground to dismiss an allegation as hearsay, that would be scandalous. However, the fact the party concerned chose not to even acknowledge the potential violation of their own rules is a cause for concern especially because it will lead to others to draw their own conclusions, if nothing else.
This buhaha really makes me appreciate my fleet even more. I am just a nobody but our fleet leaders sure don't engage in these pointeless politicking and shameless self-promotion. Lesson for anyone reading this thread : Choose your fleet wisely, the more ones tries to seek publicity, the more likely there will be a lot of "drama" but not in a good way.
If you don't like the restrictive environment, don't participate. In essence, you are a consumer, so send Coke II to Crystal Pepsi town and don't bother with debating the rules for a private tournament organized by someone who has very specific ideas about how the game is to be played. Just don't attend and vote with your wallet, so-to-speak. If you are so sure that 99% of PvPers won't attend, just let the tournament quietly die.
As to the rules themselves, I can't see the appeal or reasoning behind a large number of them, but some are good sense.
However, if I may be so bold, you may perchance wish to at some point in the future modify your thinking, so as to counter newer and more powerful abilities rather than simply ignoring them - Plasmonic Leach, TI Field, et al. are not going away. Adopt, adapt, and improve, the mantra of PvP in MMOs
Good luck, it looks like there are enough like-minded people willing to participate, so I hope your tourney is a success.
Cheers!
Yeah well there's that little latin saying, "Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat" - the foundation of most modern law.
And please stop accusing people of trying to gain publicity. Is it now suddenly a crime to post on the forum? For all we know a new thread was started because the old one was trolled to death by people with personal vendettas. Much as stayed the same I see, as the same people have jumped on this one.
And yes, I chose to defend a friend of mine. That's what people do when their friend stands alone. I am not ashamed of that.
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
do you organise the league?
that also wasn't adressed to you but ok, how else do you call it when people ignore someone and don't respond to that person although others tell them that they maybe should?
srsly there is no point for me in further discussing this topic
just...
let it go man.
Thanks Horizon. Respect. Just can't abide bullying.
However, restricting so much stuff for no apparent reason other than it will inevitably clear carrier spam or shut down one of the thousand tractor beams going.
Personally, I wish someone would do something more 'vanilla', ie no lockbox ships.
If you cant get it from a ship yard, you cant use it.
So no bug ships.
No recluses.
No wells ships.
No ferengi ships.
No cardy ships etc.
Carrier spam is limited to 2 wings launched per carrier, max. No more launches until they are gone. When I do PvP, I like to fight the other players, not all the spam theyve launched or called up.
DOffs that we know are broken or just stupid like the scrammble sensors DOff is a no no.
Other than that, its all rosey.
Cuts down on the spam and cheese but can still give a good fight.
P.s.
My idea about the bug ship may offend some, really I dont care because I use one too so I know how OP they can be.
P.P.S Sorry about going waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy off tangent there.
Its not helping anyone.