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playhard88
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Before i start this post, i want to say that this is going to be related to tactical captians mostly. So keep that in mind
It's been almost a mount since the launch of LoR, everyone is already playing romulans chars, and they have sold tons of legacy packs. Can we now get a balance pass? With the arrival of the romulans, there is no sense in playing a FED or KDF tactical captian anymore, the diference is too much, here are the reasons:
Romulans Space Trait: Covert Operative
+1.5% Critical Chance
+3.8% Critical Severity
+10% Power Recharge Speed for Cloakin
Romulans Can stack 5 Superior Operative BOFFS
+2% Critical Chance
+5% Critical Severity
+15% Power Recharge Speed for Cloaking
Lets do the maths
Romulans:
+11.5% Critical Chance
+28.8% Critical Severity
+85% Power Recharge Speed for Cloaking (not sure about the maths of this, but it won't make too much a diference in how they stack)
FED/KDF (standard ship layout with 2 tactical boffs)
+4% Critical Chance
+10% Critical Severity
+30% Power Recharge Speed for Cloaking
See the diference? but this dosn't end here, it get even worst for KDF
- There are romulan boffs with superior subterfuge and superior operative trait, and of course the remans with infiltrator.
- Romulan cloack gives +25% damage bonus, while KDF cloack gives only +15% (25% is simply too much, if they want to give and "Extra" to romulan, they could go with 20%...)
- @naevius colaboration: "Also, you forgot Remans... 13 seconds of post-decloak damage, which is boosted 25% by a Subterfuge boff.
Oh, and since cloak CD is minimal..."
Bottom Line:
25% damage increase post de-cloak (with extra duration using reman doffs), plus the extra critical chance and critical severity. Since the cloak coldown with doffs is lower than the duration of the post-cloak damage buff they can keep cloacking-decloacking for get a permanent 25% damage increase
Also lets not forget that klingons dosn't have ships with 5 tactical consoles + batte cloack, romulans in the other hand have it (the Ha'feh is a jem'hadar with battle cloack and 16 turn rate....)
For the god sake of the thousands of FED and KDF tactical players, can we get a balance? i'm not asking to nerf the romulans into oblivion, but KDF/FED should get access to 5 boffs with superior operative, or some other boff with similar benefits. The KDF cloak should compete somehow with the romulan one, they have better stealh values, less recharge time cause of boffs, and +10% extra dmg bonus.
It's been almost a mount since the launch of LoR, everyone is already playing romulans chars, and they have sold tons of legacy packs. Can we now get a balance pass? With the arrival of the romulans, there is no sense in playing a FED or KDF tactical captian anymore, the diference is too much, here are the reasons:
Romulans Space Trait: Covert Operative
+1.5% Critical Chance
+3.8% Critical Severity
+10% Power Recharge Speed for Cloakin
Romulans Can stack 5 Superior Operative BOFFS
+2% Critical Chance
+5% Critical Severity
+15% Power Recharge Speed for Cloaking
Lets do the maths
Romulans:
+11.5% Critical Chance
+28.8% Critical Severity
+85% Power Recharge Speed for Cloaking (not sure about the maths of this, but it won't make too much a diference in how they stack)
FED/KDF (standard ship layout with 2 tactical boffs)
+4% Critical Chance
+10% Critical Severity
+30% Power Recharge Speed for Cloaking
See the diference? but this dosn't end here, it get even worst for KDF
- There are romulan boffs with superior subterfuge and superior operative trait, and of course the remans with infiltrator.
- Romulan cloack gives +25% damage bonus, while KDF cloack gives only +15% (25% is simply too much, if they want to give and "Extra" to romulan, they could go with 20%...)
- @naevius colaboration: "Also, you forgot Remans... 13 seconds of post-decloak damage, which is boosted 25% by a Subterfuge boff.
Oh, and since cloak CD is minimal..."
Bottom Line:
25% damage increase post de-cloak (with extra duration using reman doffs), plus the extra critical chance and critical severity. Since the cloak coldown with doffs is lower than the duration of the post-cloak damage buff they can keep cloacking-decloacking for get a permanent 25% damage increase
Also lets not forget that klingons dosn't have ships with 5 tactical consoles + batte cloack, romulans in the other hand have it (the Ha'feh is a jem'hadar with battle cloack and 16 turn rate....)
For the god sake of the thousands of FED and KDF tactical players, can we get a balance? i'm not asking to nerf the romulans into oblivion, but KDF/FED should get access to 5 boffs with superior operative, or some other boff with similar benefits. The KDF cloak should compete somehow with the romulan one, they have better stealh values, less recharge time cause of boffs, and +10% extra dmg bonus.
John Sheridan@playhard88 - FED Tactical
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
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Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
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Everyone can roll a Rommie FREE!!
You can spend millions of dollars and time upgrading you new rommie and it will keep you playing for a long time.
So as to making any changes to Romulans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc
With that nickname, and those arguments....
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
(The lower power levels seem to make Romulan ships particularly vulnerable to science-y ships.)
Also, you forgot Remans... 13 seconds of post-decloak damage, which is boosted 25% by a Subterfuge boff.
Oh, and since cloak CD is minimal...
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It would seem that all you really need to do is restrict the boff buffs to only 1 applies at a time or something along those lines, or just open up those boffs to everybody else.
As for the romulan ship bonuses, those don't really bother me that much given that it's not that it's no different than surviving and old Alpha strike from a Bop or Raptor given that you can't fire off GDF at full health anymore.
Rule of thumb is survive the ~10 seconds of alpha strike and you're back on even terms, I'm more worried about a maxed out romulan in a Jem'hadar or temporal destroyer than I am any warbird.
Support a KDF equivalent to the Vesta Here
Most of the serious PvP players that I know which are rolling Rommies now have spent up to 100 million EC getting the best Crit boffs.
Most would be very unhappy to see any changes.
No **** they wouldn't want to see changes, that's the normal attitude when players make massive changes to take advantage of an unbalanced mechanic in all MMOs.
Any MMO vet knows that things are subject to change and they drop the massive amounts of cash at their own risk. Whether or not Cryptic will actually do anything is another matter, but the fact that players have spent significant amounts of EC on new characters is not a legitimate reason to leave the game in an unbalanced state.
Support a KDF equivalent to the Vesta Here
Do you even Science Bro?
And I'm talking PVE here! It was bad enough with the escorts being the fav's and now this.
The next gear doesn't offer much hope either with everyone having +42 kinetic damage resist on consoles and warp cores all over the place. Might as well stop playing STO altogether since it's now a War machine and the federation values mean nothing in this game's design, heck we can't even have meaningful easy to find and enjoyable diplomatic missions until we reach Tier 4 on the diplo meter!
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
What they are going to do is add Embassy Tier 4... complete with Engi and Sci boffs for Fed and Klink toons.
Honestly considering the heal creep has been moving up just as fast... its about time some dmg creep came along to keep up with it.
So my vote would be fore the extra fed/klink grind via embassy anyway.
KDF/FED players can buy Romulan BOFFs with the blue tac having superior operative and others having the normal versions, if you want to have a crit build. Then, there are the universal consoles.
but beware, because there are also efficient letheans, the humans with leadership, and other traits available, and these can help your survivability more than a crit BOFF.
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romulan ships in total have less speed, less power, less turn rate and less defense on speed tank. i got several ships on fed side having 70-80% speed defense while maintaining sweapons on 125 and shields on 75-100. afaik no romies can do the same. and forced to use cloak to compensate those turn rates and speed drawbacks.
they are glass cannons in difference to feds.
Well they have at least 2-3 months in the lead-up and launch of the Scimitar 3-pack so it will be awhile yet.
We could get the Scimitar dred carrier in the next month - then lots of sales over the next month or 2 after that.
That would be the absolute earliest they would even attempt at doing any adjustments to Romulan gear.
But I really don't think they are too concerned with the problems in PvP land.
What is the result? After we have barely seen any engineers in PvP, we will barely see any non-romulan tacticals in the future, too. Great to know that a tactical character with best equipment (for example purple MK XII consoles and weapons, elite fleet shield, MK XII borg stuff, an expensive ship like a bug) will become almost useless in PvP because there exist much stronger romulans
Please don't get me wrong: romulans are awesome and it is cool that different "fractions" (yes, yes they are no fraction...) have their own abilities/advantages.
But this is not just a difference, it is sheer imbalance.
No consoles, My pure Romulan captrain+ rare romulan boffs with subrefuge+superior romulan operative, stats are:
Fleet Hafeh NO consoles : 85% defence, 17% crit, 78.8% crit severity, 11 seconds recloak timer. All Space traits.
With consoles such as borg, tachy, romulan ZP, stats are: same 85% defence, but.. 20.4% cirt,95.5% crit severity.
Recloak timer 12 secs. You can play with Reman and Romulan boffs so you can have near same stats but with 95% defence 14 seconds recloak timer and 14 seconds decloak ambush buff. So i can decloak, and after 14 seconds ambush buff recloak again, i feel like a true romluan
are those 8 posts your first 8 posts in a forum ?
Sure battle cloak is probably good for pvp where you can continously cloak and decloak without killing your effectiveness, but you are still flying a ship with worse turn rate than its counterparts and significantly lower power settings at its disposal.
The ambush damage bonus is a percentage of base weapon damage added to the final damage figure. Making +100% damage (fron 5 subterfuge Boffs) only about another 300 dps. The extra crit is good for non tacs and tacs alike. More so because they don't get AP:A to boost their crit chance.
And remember you dont get 5 Boffs with +2% crit AND the +10 seconds to Ambush duration. Romulans get Superior Operative, Remans get Superior Infiltrator. No overlap.
So yes, Romulans get slightly better BO traits. But they get slightly worse ships in general. Especially considering the massive imbalance between Singularity Cores and Warp Cores (made even bigger by fleet versions).
And do sweet f-all damage in pve content (the majority of the game) because you spend half your time cloaking doing no damage. :rolleyes:
LITTLE EDGE? Are u kidding me? 25% constant base damage increase plus a much much higher critd and cirth? Sure, very little
And u can't compare efficent letheans or humans with leadship, leadership has been nerf into oblivion and efficent is pretty useless, there are many better ways of got extra energy. And we don't need more energy as tactical players, we need more damage, i don't care if i can got +4/+5 energy to shield or engines, is pretty useless in my role.
Yeah, poor romulans, the Ha'feh is a JHAS with cloak...poor of them. When you have battle cloak, you don't need 55 turn rate, and with the lastest changes (and the upcomming neutronium+rcs consoles) u will have more turn rate that u will need, there is no diference in turn rate when u can do an almost instant 360.
And why u don't compare them with the KDF tactical ships? it will make you cry...
u can get boff with both (Superior opearative and superior subterfuge), so yes, they overlap. Not sure about infiltrator+operative, but at this point won't be so crazy uh?
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
Hmmm, this seems to sound like one who is defending their own use of inappropriate builds and strategies.
Rom ships are great.
There is no need to be upset by the truth.
Faster stronger better... where Vulcans with souls.
Don't worry at some point you will be able to get some of us to join you and replace those weak beings you have manning your Engi and Science stations now.
Role a Romulan tac for your premade.
Feds shouldn't be flying escorts anyway... its not cannon.
Seriously though... the Rom ships are fairly well balanced... the JHAS is still the best escort as far as having a perfect balance of everything goes.
The -40 power IS a draw back...
Fed Science is still the best option there.
Fed Cruiser still the best option there.
Is the crit high with a full crew of Superior Boffs.... Yes it is.
Are they going to give that option to every one soon with an embassy upgrade.... hmmm lets see it will instantly get people to sink another 100-200k D into the hole... so you KNOW cryptic will be doing that shortly.
Expect 1-2 months to get an embassy upgrade. I would imagine they will also be adding Human and perhaps Suarian/Leatheans to the embassys as well.
and romulans(feds or kdf) should not fly bug ships but they can have and use them....whats your point?