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flash525
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Most people want it, many more expected we'd get it when news of Romulans first hit our screens. As it stands however, the Legacy of Romulus expansion doesn't really differ too much from playing within the Federation or Klingon factions. Come level #50, the only thing a Romulan player has that is unique is a ship, the ability to play as a Romulan or Reman, and some costumes.
Bridge Officers are limited (and for the most part, unobtainable), the Duty Officer Assignments are practically a carbon copy of the chosen alliance (FED/KDF) and we're walking around Earth / Qo'nos as a former citizen of the grand Star Empire.
What incentive does anyone have to stick at a Romulan Character when end-game, they're a copy of an already existing Federation or Klingon character? The only advantage I know of (this is from reading forum comments) is that Romulan Ships have a distinct advantage in PvP (subjective, I've yet to have the experience). What incentive is there going to be for other people to create other characters for other (potential) factions if they're all following the same procedure and aren't standing out as unique.
Romulans need their true independence, and I'm writing this, in an optimistic spirit that Cryptic will do something about their current state within the game. Add a Romulan Starbase in the Tau Dewa Sector, add assignments that reward us with Romulan Boffs and Doffs (you could make extra zen sales here with Romulan Doff packages, in addition to further sales for other unique Bridge Officers). Remove our ability to travel to Starfleet Academy or the Klingon First City.
I expect that'll be a lot of work, considering that you've already integrated the Romulans to work this way, yet it really needs to be done. If you truly wish to create a bunch of mini factions, that's great, I hope it works out for you, but the Romulans need to stand on their own. Why (as a Romulan) are we being forced to choose between two factions, both of which are aiding our cause? It doesn't make any sort of sense.
From a purely selfish point of view, I've always thought of Trek as a three way struggle between the Federation, Klingons and Romulans. Yes, we've had the Borg, and we've had the Dominion, but in truth if there would have been a full scale war between the Cardassians and Federation the Federation would have wiped the floor with the Cardassians; they were always too light on resources and subsequently needed the help of the Dominion to make their ultimate stance.
The three big players are, and always have been the Federation, the Klingons and the Romulans. STO only gives us two out of the three. I've also read on the forums (and I believe through one of the Ask Cryptic responses too) that a Romulan Faction success would somewhat depend upon sales. There are also comments relating to how you guys (Cryptic) envision this game as a two way struggle between the Federation and Klingon, thus not actually having any concern whether or not the Romulans are truly involved. They were most likely created because of fan demand. I've asked the question (via Ask Cryptic) several times on this, not got a response yet.
Think back to initial plans, the KDF were to be a PvP only faction. Because of fan demand, they were developed to a full faction. I'd suggest now that fan demand would like the Romulans to go on their own path, without the assistance of the Federation, Klingon, Cardassian, Fish People, Spaghetti Monster etc
I'm all for sticking it with D'Tan and the Republic, I just don't want Romulans walking around on Earth or Qo'nos all whilst flying Federation or Klingon ships. Please make the split before the end of the year (if not sooner).
Bridge Officers are limited (and for the most part, unobtainable), the Duty Officer Assignments are practically a carbon copy of the chosen alliance (FED/KDF) and we're walking around Earth / Qo'nos as a former citizen of the grand Star Empire.
What incentive does anyone have to stick at a Romulan Character when end-game, they're a copy of an already existing Federation or Klingon character? The only advantage I know of (this is from reading forum comments) is that Romulan Ships have a distinct advantage in PvP (subjective, I've yet to have the experience). What incentive is there going to be for other people to create other characters for other (potential) factions if they're all following the same procedure and aren't standing out as unique.
Romulans need their true independence, and I'm writing this, in an optimistic spirit that Cryptic will do something about their current state within the game. Add a Romulan Starbase in the Tau Dewa Sector, add assignments that reward us with Romulan Boffs and Doffs (you could make extra zen sales here with Romulan Doff packages, in addition to further sales for other unique Bridge Officers). Remove our ability to travel to Starfleet Academy or the Klingon First City.
I expect that'll be a lot of work, considering that you've already integrated the Romulans to work this way, yet it really needs to be done. If you truly wish to create a bunch of mini factions, that's great, I hope it works out for you, but the Romulans need to stand on their own. Why (as a Romulan) are we being forced to choose between two factions, both of which are aiding our cause? It doesn't make any sort of sense.
From a purely selfish point of view, I've always thought of Trek as a three way struggle between the Federation, Klingons and Romulans. Yes, we've had the Borg, and we've had the Dominion, but in truth if there would have been a full scale war between the Cardassians and Federation the Federation would have wiped the floor with the Cardassians; they were always too light on resources and subsequently needed the help of the Dominion to make their ultimate stance.
The three big players are, and always have been the Federation, the Klingons and the Romulans. STO only gives us two out of the three. I've also read on the forums (and I believe through one of the Ask Cryptic responses too) that a Romulan Faction success would somewhat depend upon sales. There are also comments relating to how you guys (Cryptic) envision this game as a two way struggle between the Federation and Klingon, thus not actually having any concern whether or not the Romulans are truly involved. They were most likely created because of fan demand. I've asked the question (via Ask Cryptic) several times on this, not got a response yet.
Think back to initial plans, the KDF were to be a PvP only faction. Because of fan demand, they were developed to a full faction. I'd suggest now that fan demand would like the Romulans to go on their own path, without the assistance of the Federation, Klingon, Cardassian, Fish People, Spaghetti Monster etc
I'm all for sticking it with D'Tan and the Republic, I just don't want Romulans walking around on Earth or Qo'nos all whilst flying Federation or Klingon ships. Please make the split before the end of the year (if not sooner).
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Yep I hate that Bridge Officer Recruitment missions are for Fed/Klingon Officers based on your alliance instead of actual Romulan/Reman Officers.
Be all dark side in the Tal Shiar.. one lost opportunity there Cryptic!
If one were to believe the forums, everything that is good about this game would in fact be some massive detriment, the devs would be incompetent morons who hate Star Trek, everyone would hate the game for being un-treklike, etc. etc.
I think most people who post here are from Opposite Land.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
I think Opposite Land is reality. But sure, yeah, this is exactly what i had in mind.
Identity is very lacking with the Romulan "faction" right now. Half of my crew is literally Starfleet, which is dumb. As soon as Romulan doffs and boffs are more plentiful I'm shoving my Fed officers out the airlock.
I also think the new plasma ground weapon types should be restricted to Romulan faction characters only. (unless they already are but haven't seen it yet)
And the servers would be empty and the game would no longer be running. Because if everyone hated the game... well, the percentage of players who would stick around to complain or to wait for it to get better wouldn't be the critical mass needed to maintain it.
Forums are always a bad indicator of the happiness of the game's population. STO's forums are especially bad.
To date, this is the best Trek game going. Doesn't mean fans can't ask for a few changes.
Most? How many people do you think you are?
Will be fixed.
That is an outright falsehood, Romulans have tons of unique duty officer assignments.
Maybe they should arrest you there. Since you are obviously not a member of the Romulan Republic.:D
To the rest: Have some cheese.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
But I am never going to serving feds or klings !
Shouldn't have been broken in the first place.
Not really, not outside of Tau Dewa anyway. The ratio is quite a tragic one.
I like cheese.
By all means have them do what you want, but don't rip away the choice from those that feel differently then you do.
You don't have to grind starbases either way...
lol this and to add you don't grind starbases any ways you feed the fat......
system Lord Baal is dead
And right now this is what they thought would be best for Romulans. Either align with Feds or Klingons.
I'm not interested in redoing what I'm already doing with my fed or kdf chars. Romulan ships are pretty, but the faction doesn't make me want to be a part of it. Quite simple. As far as the starbases thing goes, I would find playing a romulan more appealing if it had the same options as fed or kdf for fleet basing, but I don't really feed the base in any faction anyway. I earned a million FC, great, I'm not interested in doing more than that on any side, lest it become more work than play.
As far as the Hobus nova and that whole chestnut goes, it's no more of a stretch to have those 29th century time cop guys fix that by going back and getting Spock there in time than it was for JJ to blow it up in the first place. Changing that has a good deal more air of "won't" than "can't" to it.
Whatever the arguments for or against defining Romulans as a full faction like the other two, I think we can all agree that it's just not going to happen.
This is what the Foundry is for. To make your own character have a unique history. If you want to play a mission where you are a backstabbing Tal Shiar spy, then you can.
No, I think they realize it. The question is why the story teller decided to go with the Romulan puppet route rather than a fight for a strong and independent Republic.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Ofc. they wanted to reuse all the unique doffs and doff missions and mission chains instead of making new ones. And use all the FEs and STFs and all PvP (without redesigning it for 3 factions). "Allies" is an easy way out.
It's a budget decision, not a storytelling related one.
But i am still somewhat happy. I got more than i assumed they were willing to invest.
And no, i don't have any hopes for a change. Because it is a question of money. A lot of money.
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
Lastly while Cryptic might consider the KDF a full faction half it's mission line up is copy and paste Federation missions so in reality they have 1 full faction, a half faction and a 1/3rd-1/4th faction.
Really is it that hard to give the factions a true leveling line up of unique missions, starbases, DOFF system then have the end-game rep grind as a cross factional one?
Us KDF players under the Romulan fans pain, we've been through it and still are going through it. Look at the uniform situation even our Romulan cousins have more than KDF. So both KDF and Romulan fans are in the same boat and so all Romulan fans should ally with the KDF and show their support for the underdog factions. Only together can we convince Cryptic to give both Romulan and KDF factions a fair go.
Likewise, Stuff like the Doff system sharing, the cross faction ships and bridge officers are obviously meant to cover for a general lack of unique content for the Romulans.
For instance, they could have easily have had a team auto-balancing mechanic. Got five federation, three klinons, and two romulans joining a match? Rommies and KDF team together. Six Romulans, Three KDF and a Fed? you are getting one team with five romulans, and another with a Rommie and Fed each and three KDF. It's fairly simple to think of ways in which three factions could work in two-way battles accounting for population imbalances. Heck, you could even do three or four way pvp in such a manner easily if you auto-assigned teams and it wouldn't effect the availability of getting a match one iota.
What Cryptic did was just the easy way out-faction with minimum effort and without having to touch the pvp issues with a ten foot pole.