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deaftravis05
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I think we could introduce a new custom design for starships, requiring Zen of course... but anyways... based off the ship design you could see on stardock games, galactic empires. Lots of pre-fabbed parts that you can choose from and put together to make your own ship. more parts you add, the bigger the cost. You'd be able to determine turn rate, rate of acceleration, armour, weapon slots, science modules, crew rates, etc.
it would provide us access to the shipyards on Mars where we can build our own ship. You would be given a basic outline for a ship. Escorts cannot exceed this tonnage (only a certain amount of parts can be used), cruisers can be as big as you want, but as it gets bigger, the ship gets slower, no matter what. Science can have bonus to targeting systems, science modules being able to be added, or power output, but again, like the escort, a cap on its size, just a higher cap than the escort. Escorts would get an overpowered warp core though.
Bridge officer stations would be added, as you wish, but the costs would be high. First commander station is free, but second would be expensive. Third would be 10 times more expensive than the second. Costs can be done like a reputation project. You'd need to establish a department head for that station. Say for example I want to add a Tactical Commander station, but I already got my free Eng (I'm building a cruiser here). I'd need 10 security officers and 10 tactical officers. I'd need parts such as weapons, shields, dil crystals for power and probably GPL for a floating currency for special ops. To add a third, I'd need 10 times more than that. A Lt commander would be 8 times, a Lt would be 5 times more, and a eng would be 2 times more. regardless of what class the third station is. Since it'd operate like a reputation system, but requiring me to go to Mars, I dont need to stockpile it all at once. Just work on it as I go.
Some things would require just EC, such as the colouring, tint, designs of logos, etc.
To add parts from the show such as the Enterprise's deflector dish, you'd need to pay zen.
The classes would be given a specific energy output for shields, engines and weapons. You must meet the min. requirements. Too much hull, (requiring engine power) and the design would be rejected. You wouldn't be able to add the part you want. Error, too much hull, not enough energy allocated to the engines.
Escorts - low cap on how the ship can be built, how many parts can be added, no broadside guns allowed, and capped at 5 bow guns. However, you're free to design it as you want. Bonus; high energy, due to overpowered warp cores. So your damage and shield output is huge, but your hull is weak.
Cruisers - high cap on how it can be built. Broadsides allowed, any weapons on any ports. You can have 2 gun ports on the sides, and a max of 4 on bow and aft, respectfully. Hull and crew can be made as much as you can, capped at oh... 4,000 or something like that. But the higher you go, the more power you need to move the ship, taking away from shields and weapons. You could build a masive tank with 100,000 hp and 10,000 crew, but it'd be slow and impotent, like that assimilated carrier in Cure.
Science - moderate cap on how the ship can be built. one side gun allowed, each, but restricted to beam bank, single or turrets. High power output, highest of all the three classes, but, there would be a cap to how much passive power you could put into shields or weapons. No cap on aux.
so, a ship, before you select the class wold be 50, 50, 50, 50 for the energy distribution.
Escorts would be capped at 100 for weapons.
Cruisers, 100 for shields.
Science, 75 for shields and 60 for weapons. However, they'd get an extra 50 bonus power for Aux.
This means, before you add warp cores, or tell your Chief how to power your ship, your ship is capped at that. To exceed the cap, you must find extra power, such as from your warp core. So if I were to take the balanced approach, and I maxed out my escort for 100 power to the weapons, I'd have 50 more energy to distribute, adding an extra 25 to my weapons on balanced. My shields would be weak and I wouldn't be so fast, so I'd need that power, because I took away parts that could had boosted my shields and engines during construction. I'd pack a heavy punch, but once i'm tractored, a salvo would kill me. Consoles would buy me time, but still, i'd had given up armour for weapons.
There would be rules. You can't copy another starship design from another game/show/movie. Violations would result in your ship being removed. However the parts would be returned to you in terms of cost. Any design you make, is the property of cryptic. You must be level 50, and in a fleet.
thoughts?
p.s. I wrote this half asleep so sorry if it sounds a bit of a ramble. But this is something I could see fleshed out.
it would provide us access to the shipyards on Mars where we can build our own ship. You would be given a basic outline for a ship. Escorts cannot exceed this tonnage (only a certain amount of parts can be used), cruisers can be as big as you want, but as it gets bigger, the ship gets slower, no matter what. Science can have bonus to targeting systems, science modules being able to be added, or power output, but again, like the escort, a cap on its size, just a higher cap than the escort. Escorts would get an overpowered warp core though.
Bridge officer stations would be added, as you wish, but the costs would be high. First commander station is free, but second would be expensive. Third would be 10 times more expensive than the second. Costs can be done like a reputation project. You'd need to establish a department head for that station. Say for example I want to add a Tactical Commander station, but I already got my free Eng (I'm building a cruiser here). I'd need 10 security officers and 10 tactical officers. I'd need parts such as weapons, shields, dil crystals for power and probably GPL for a floating currency for special ops. To add a third, I'd need 10 times more than that. A Lt commander would be 8 times, a Lt would be 5 times more, and a eng would be 2 times more. regardless of what class the third station is. Since it'd operate like a reputation system, but requiring me to go to Mars, I dont need to stockpile it all at once. Just work on it as I go.
Some things would require just EC, such as the colouring, tint, designs of logos, etc.
To add parts from the show such as the Enterprise's deflector dish, you'd need to pay zen.
The classes would be given a specific energy output for shields, engines and weapons. You must meet the min. requirements. Too much hull, (requiring engine power) and the design would be rejected. You wouldn't be able to add the part you want. Error, too much hull, not enough energy allocated to the engines.
Escorts - low cap on how the ship can be built, how many parts can be added, no broadside guns allowed, and capped at 5 bow guns. However, you're free to design it as you want. Bonus; high energy, due to overpowered warp cores. So your damage and shield output is huge, but your hull is weak.
Cruisers - high cap on how it can be built. Broadsides allowed, any weapons on any ports. You can have 2 gun ports on the sides, and a max of 4 on bow and aft, respectfully. Hull and crew can be made as much as you can, capped at oh... 4,000 or something like that. But the higher you go, the more power you need to move the ship, taking away from shields and weapons. You could build a masive tank with 100,000 hp and 10,000 crew, but it'd be slow and impotent, like that assimilated carrier in Cure.
Science - moderate cap on how the ship can be built. one side gun allowed, each, but restricted to beam bank, single or turrets. High power output, highest of all the three classes, but, there would be a cap to how much passive power you could put into shields or weapons. No cap on aux.
so, a ship, before you select the class wold be 50, 50, 50, 50 for the energy distribution.
Escorts would be capped at 100 for weapons.
Cruisers, 100 for shields.
Science, 75 for shields and 60 for weapons. However, they'd get an extra 50 bonus power for Aux.
This means, before you add warp cores, or tell your Chief how to power your ship, your ship is capped at that. To exceed the cap, you must find extra power, such as from your warp core. So if I were to take the balanced approach, and I maxed out my escort for 100 power to the weapons, I'd have 50 more energy to distribute, adding an extra 25 to my weapons on balanced. My shields would be weak and I wouldn't be so fast, so I'd need that power, because I took away parts that could had boosted my shields and engines during construction. I'd pack a heavy punch, but once i'm tractored, a salvo would kill me. Consoles would buy me time, but still, i'd had given up armour for weapons.
There would be rules. You can't copy another starship design from another game/show/movie. Violations would result in your ship being removed. However the parts would be returned to you in terms of cost. Any design you make, is the property of cryptic. You must be level 50, and in a fleet.
thoughts?
p.s. I wrote this half asleep so sorry if it sounds a bit of a ramble. But this is something I could see fleshed out.
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I'd like to take an old "Connie" (Constitution-class ship), for example, and modernize it with the look from the new Star Trek movies. The new rebooted Enterprise is my all-time favorite Enterprise and I'd love to be able to use it in STO (and I know I'll probably catch all kinds of hell for saying that, but whatever). Right now I've done the best I could with what we've currently got, by taking my old Constitution Refit class ship and updating it with the "Exeter" (modernized Connie) dorsal and warp engine nacelles, and the Excalibur pylons, and tweaking the colors and windows a bit. It looks about as close to the J.J. Abrams Enterprise as I could possibly get it within the current limitations of ship customization. The end result looks pretty close to it and I'm happy with it, but I'd still like to have the real thing (no excessive lens flare allowed, tho). I know it's from an alternate timeline and all that, but then so are the mirror-universe ships, and those are already in the game.
I also have a lot of other ship designs I've come up with that I wish I could create in STO, and I really hope that we could get that capability someday. I was thinking maybe we could do it similarly to the way we currently build up a starbase or embassy, where we gradually work on it over time and watch it take shape, editing the design as needed. If it's a brand-new original (prototype/experimental) design, it could get an NX-registry number for it. Just some ideas...
Let's be honest everyone has there price. What's CBS's price? Theoretically speaking, every ship (interior and exterior) that's already been approved by CBS can be chopped up and allowed to be mixed & matched.
CBS wants to make money, if we can buy these chop-shop ship parts for zen and do what we want with them, I'm sure CBS would be more than pleased to take there 5% of our zen. To me everyone will be happy. :cool:
But there's going to be lots of imbalance and server loads and "cookie cutter" ships because everyone will want she best possible setups (max front weapons and 5-slot tac console escort for tactical, etc)
It might eventually come, yes, but I also could see better tanks as people would build more heavier cruisers designed to draw fire. Or some people would build powerful science ships designed to truly offer support as you'd be able to actually improve the science abilities. To build an escort with massively powerful guns at its bow would actually require you take energy away from speed and shields. It'd be a glass ship. I don't want a glass ship. I want a ship that can take a beating and dish it out as well. Someone will want a glass ship, and won't care how often he dies, if his dps goes through the roof. Others will want a science ship to create havoc.
the problem with tank ships, that I find is that their tac officer slots are lousy. If I could have a commander eng and a commander tac on a heavy cruiser, I'll be one happy bugger.
But the nature of the beast is to find the optimum. Once found everyone will build that, and all your customization for the sake of being unique is lost.
You'll just be another super-tank cruiser in a sea of super-tank cruisers.
This is as far as I got before I decided that this is a bad idea.
Make it dil cost, and I will continue reading... Untill then, I belive it is a bad idea.
1st console- 1 ec
2nd, 10 ec
3rd 100 ec
4th 1,000 ec
5th 10,000 ec
6th, 100,000 ec
7th, 1,00,000 ec
8th, 1,00,000 ec, 100 dil
9rg, 1,000, 000 ec, 1,000 dil
10th, 1,000, 000 ec, 10,000 dil
11,th, 1,000,000 ec, 100,00 dil
12th, 1,000, 000 ec, 100,000 dil, 1 fleet module
13th, 1,000, 000 ec, 100,000 dil, 1 fleet module, 100 GPL,
14th, 1,000, 000 ec, 100,000 dil, 1 fleet module, 1,000 gpl
15, 1,000, 000 ec, 100,000 dil, 1 fleet module, 10,000 gpl
16, 1,000, 000 ec, 100,000 dil, 1 fleet module, 100,000 gpl. capped.
each grouping will be capped at 5 consoles. The last one is stupidly expensive and will give you a bonus in any grouping.
The additional would require a reputation system built for shipbuilding. Each addition would be a project.
How many of you would scream bloody murder here on the forums if there was a huge space between the Intrepid saucer and the Galaxy engineering hull?
Or maybe the neck of a BoP or warbird has gaps connecting to the main hull?
Do you all also realize how much network traffic and video rendering issues this sort of change will place on your PC when popping into a new sector or system space map?
Then you'll have the canon luvers screaming bloody murder with all the kit-bashed ships ruining their immersion?
Even though I enjoyed the Starship Designer program and would probably spend hours toying with starship design, I'm not so sure it would work as well in STO.
p.s. I would think that either the TOS Connie parts would be excluded OR a T5 TOS Connie would be added to the game.
^^^^^this ^^^^
It adds to the game though. I like naming my own ship and choosing how it looks. More ship skins and parts adds to that
You may and are freely aloud to dismiss this as the ramblings of an idiot, I just wanted to bring this up for you to see.
Not to mention the canon that would be simply forgotten. It wouldn't be Star Trek Online, but "make your own starship" online. You can ask for such tool in a lot of games, but not in an IP game.
Also, if people would be able to make their own ship, the "unique" ship would probably sell less (vesta, kumari, scimitar...). Especially if you can "recreate" them.
As I suggested in the above-quoted post, you could only use C-Store ship parts if you owned the C-Store ship you wanted parts from.
Now, if we were simply able to "build" them, do you think they would have asked for it ? And paid for it ?
Which would make something close of what we have now, and makes the whole system more or less useless.
You either leave the player with a lot of room to build their ship, and say goodbye to canon, and allow them to build replica of existing ships, or greatly limit it, and ends up with nothing new.
Enterprise time scales (nx style hulls , nacelles etc)
TOS style / maybe TMP included
Next gen / voyager / ds9
then cryptic style ships IE the current future ones The ody and such.
The problem they said is that CBS in their usual stupid notion doesn't think its "trek" to allow people to kit bash ships EVEN Though the series used kit bash models all over the place. Most of the ships in the wolf 359 debris field were just kit bash parts.
CBS tbh need to take a step back they seem intent on holding the reins on some things (cough t5 constitution) and yet allow somethings go ie Breen bridge officers / borg parts on ships etc.
though i am rather skeptical of whether this would happen at all or not regardless of what the devs say they want to do at some point.
I mean, when a company gets into a certain "comfort zone" with certain types of income (like ship packs or buying ships via zen), they tend to not want to move in that direction and with CBS in control at the top... idk...
but its always a possibility