Compare the downtime to a tax raise. If you are the only one who receives a tax raise over and over again then i guarantee that in time you'll say "spread the love around".
This is the situation where many in Europe are now. They understand the need for maintenance, but they grow tired that it is always them who have to bite the bullet.
It is insignificant that the maintenance is performed during low activity hours (if that is the case) if it means that the same group is always on the receiving end of the downtime.
Cryptic is well underway of alienating a large group of players while they could easily vary the maintenance times. Downtime once every now and then isn't so bad, but downtime almost every other day during one of the peek hours for your timezone (Be it US, European or Australian) gets on your nerves.
Those of us in America who play at that time (such as myself since I'm an early riser) have to bite the bullet too.
You make it sound like Europeans are the only ones biting a bullet whenever the shard goes down.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
I'll break it down for you: The server is around the PDT timezone, as that's the time code they use in the announcements. With that in mind, re-read the announcement:
7AM - 9AM PDT.
They are doing this stuff first thing in the morning, basically as soon as the day shift is in the office.
Dunno what you consider to be American time, but first thing in the AMERICAN MORNING definitely qualifies in my opinion. Especially since that's midday for me, being on the opposite coast, and north in Canada.
In the event this is still unsatisfactory for you, feel free to buy the damn company and reschedule their time to better suit your arrogant self.
He can read, he just doesn't have the cognitive capacity to learn new information, my guess is he reads it forgets it ten seconds later as the pea he calls a brain can't hold that much information and then repeats his flawed argument, either that or he's a troll, or both.
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Those of us in America who play at that time (such as myself since I'm an early riser) have to bite the bullet too.
You make it sound like Europeans are the only ones biting a bullet whenever the shard goes down.
Can't we all get along. Last I heard Europe and the US were on the same side. I'm in the US but I do understand their pain as I am affected by the downtime too. All they want is equity not exclusivity.
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Can't we all get along. Last I heard Europe and the US were on the same side. I'm in the US but I do understand their pain as I am affected by the downtime too. All they want is equity not exclusivity.
I'm not playing hard to get along with, I was just pointing out that Europeans aren't the only ones affected by the downtime, as many of the European posts imply.
No matter what time the shard goes down for maintenance or whatever it will affect both US and European players. As well as anyone else around the world who happens to play the game.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
Compare the downtime to a tax raise. If you are the only one who receives a tax raise over and over again then i guarantee that in time you'll say "spread the love around".
This is the situation where many in Europe are now. They understand the need for maintenance, but they grow tired that it is always them who have to bite the bullet.
It is insignificant that the maintenance is performed during low activity hours (if that is the case) if it means that the same group is always on the receiving end of the downtime.
Cryptic is well underway of alienating a large group of players while they could easily vary the maintenance times. Downtime once every now and then isn't so bad, but downtime almost every other day during one of the peek hours for your timezone (Be it US, European or Australian) gets on your nerves.
This is the best, possibly the only intelligent approach to that side of the 'discussion' I've seen so far, for that I applaud you, however I believe it's a minority of people suffering the down time that actually see it as more than a slight inconvenience, I for one, as I've stated before, get hit by at least 9/10 downtimes but I'm not bothered by it, for several reasons I can't be bothered typing for, how ever many posts my count is up to now, divided by 3, roughly!
"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." - Carl Sagan
And wouldn't this down time be a wonderful opportunity to read a good book, call a family member and/or friend to just say hi, go see that new movie you've been dying to see, etc? Just saying.
Science was okay. I really hated English Lit/English. Breaking down sentences and knowing the difference between verbs and adverbs was never my cup of tea
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
Wow so many people complaining again about the down time, I live in Europe while yes I find it annoying, I can understand why the company is doing the downtime when it is, for them it makes most sense, like if it was a EU game, it would be done off peak for EU, each company will do what is best for their country and game.
So oh well we got to wait till 5pm, what a shame, my peak game time is in the evening anyway.
I'm not playing hard to get along with, I was just pointing out that Europeans aren't the only ones affected by the downtime, as many of the European posts imply.
No matter what time the shard goes down for maintenance or whatever it will affect both US and European players. As well as anyone else around the world who happens to play the game.
i wonder tho what the amount of complaints would be would the downtime be late in the afternoon 1600-1800 h in your region not that i am saying it would be whorse .
lets just get over it already and if needed you may come and shoot me in 45 min
^:D
I'm not particularly well up on shards and servers and all that bollocks, but surely the problem is that they only have one server which is overloaded, when really they should be running both US and European based servers for both STO and Neverwinter?
Wow so many people complaining again about the down time, I live in Europe while yes I find it annoying, I can understand why the company is doing the downtime when it is, for them it makes most sense, like if it was a EU game, it would be done off peak for EU, each company will do what is best for their country and game.
So oh well we got to wait till 5pm, what a shame, my peak game time is in the evening anyway.
It might also have to do with it being the least amount of usage during Cryptic's Engineers' normal work hours. Doesn't make economic sense for Cryptic to pay overtime or shift differential just to install a patch.
It might also have to do with it being the least amount of usage during Cryptic's Engineers' normal work hours. Doesn't make economic sense for Cryptic to pay overtime or shift differential just to install a patch.
And wouldn't this down time be a wonderful opportunity to read a good book, call a family member and/or friend to just say hi, go see that new movie you've been dying to see, etc? Just saying.
Not all elements of science need math, but I see your point.
I'm getting some files rendered as we speak on my PC, but while that percentage ticks over I re-check the forum!
"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." - Carl Sagan
Cryptic is well underway of alienating a large group of players while they could easily vary the maintenance times. Downtime once every now and then isn't so bad, but downtime almost every other day during one of the peek hours for your timezone (Be it US, European or Australian) gets on your nerves.
It's a numbers game, and I'm sure the suits know the risk of a (relatively) few players vs. the risks of exposing everyone to rolling maintenance windows.
The best solution, as many have suggested, isn't to roll the maintenance windows, but to set up servers serving different geographic region, so that the maintenance in each region could be done in a time that minimizes impact.
But there's a problem with that as well. If you ever played WoW, then you know about the downsides to segregated realms. If you want to play with your friends, then they all have to be on the same server. And when that happens, when that server goes down for maintenance, then everyone on it is affected, no matter what time zone they are in. And even if they do that, then there will still be those who constantly get boned by maintenance even if they are playing in their time zone - for instance, I am one of the people in America who, due to work schedule, finds that maintenance is always during my "prime time." So there will still be the same whining, just perhaps less of a volume.
So in the long run, it is kind of a trade-off. Either we segregate out "the universe" like that, or we keep it combined and do maintenance at times of statistical lowest utilization. But I for one will not say that they need to rotate the windows - just because I am inconvenienced does not mean that I think they should do the maintenance at another time when there might be 5x as many other players trying to play. I'm just neither selfish or entitled enough to support that. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
So I subscribe to the Denis Leary philosophy of "Life sucks, get a f'ing helmet," and find something else to do (like play Forum Trek Online) and move on with life. It is, after all, just a game, and if it is down a couple hours per week when I want to play, it is hardly the end of the world...
Hey BranFlakes,
Can the Tour of the Universe be push back to later in the morning? I was unable to play it this morning at 8:00 am Pacific. There seems to be a reoccurring conflict with the System Maintenance and Tour of the Universe.
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Those of us in America who play at that time (such as myself since I'm an early riser) have to bite the bullet too.
You make it sound like Europeans are the only ones biting a bullet whenever the shard goes down.
He can read, he just doesn't have the cognitive capacity to learn new information, my guess is he reads it forgets it ten seconds later as the pea he calls a brain can't hold that much information and then repeats his flawed argument, either that or he's a troll, or both.
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and what is a battle troll console?
capt steve is confused today :rolleyes:
Can't we all get along. Last I heard Europe and the US were on the same side. I'm in the US but I do understand their pain as I am affected by the downtime too. All they want is equity not exclusivity.
Hehe it was spelling and science for me!
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I keep it around just for the [-BS]x3 proc...
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I'm not playing hard to get along with, I was just pointing out that Europeans aren't the only ones affected by the downtime, as many of the European posts imply.
No matter what time the shard goes down for maintenance or whatever it will affect both US and European players. As well as anyone else around the world who happens to play the game.
This is the best, possibly the only intelligent approach to that side of the 'discussion' I've seen so far, for that I applaud you, however I believe it's a minority of people suffering the down time that actually see it as more than a slight inconvenience, I for one, as I've stated before, get hit by at least 9/10 downtimes but I'm not bothered by it, for several reasons I can't be bothered typing for, how ever many posts my count is up to now, divided by 3, roughly!
"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." - Carl Sagan
Don't you need math for science?
And wouldn't this down time be a wonderful opportunity to read a good book, call a family member and/or friend to just say hi, go see that new movie you've been dying to see, etc? Just saying.
Science was okay. I really hated English Lit/English. Breaking down sentences and knowing the difference between verbs and adverbs was never my cup of tea
So oh well we got to wait till 5pm, what a shame, my peak game time is in the evening anyway.
i wonder tho what the amount of complaints would be would the downtime be late in the afternoon 1600-1800 h in your region not that i am saying it would be whorse .
lets just get over it already and if needed you may come and shoot me in 45 min
^:D
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It might also have to do with it being the least amount of usage during Cryptic's Engineers' normal work hours. Doesn't make economic sense for Cryptic to pay overtime or shift differential just to install a patch.
I have a flaky inet that likes to go down at odd times and afternoon/evenings are its favorite times.
aye, exactly, it is a company after all
Not all elements of science need math, but I see your point.
I'm getting some files rendered as we speak on my PC, but while that percentage ticks over I re-check the forum!
"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." - Carl Sagan
It's a numbers game, and I'm sure the suits know the risk of a (relatively) few players vs. the risks of exposing everyone to rolling maintenance windows.
The best solution, as many have suggested, isn't to roll the maintenance windows, but to set up servers serving different geographic region, so that the maintenance in each region could be done in a time that minimizes impact.
But there's a problem with that as well. If you ever played WoW, then you know about the downsides to segregated realms. If you want to play with your friends, then they all have to be on the same server. And when that happens, when that server goes down for maintenance, then everyone on it is affected, no matter what time zone they are in. And even if they do that, then there will still be those who constantly get boned by maintenance even if they are playing in their time zone - for instance, I am one of the people in America who, due to work schedule, finds that maintenance is always during my "prime time." So there will still be the same whining, just perhaps less of a volume.
So in the long run, it is kind of a trade-off. Either we segregate out "the universe" like that, or we keep it combined and do maintenance at times of statistical lowest utilization. But I for one will not say that they need to rotate the windows - just because I am inconvenienced does not mean that I think they should do the maintenance at another time when there might be 5x as many other players trying to play. I'm just neither selfish or entitled enough to support that. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
So I subscribe to the Denis Leary philosophy of "Life sucks, get a f'ing helmet," and find something else to do (like play Forum Trek Online) and move on with life. It is, after all, just a game, and if it is down a couple hours per week when I want to play, it is hardly the end of the world...
Can the Tour of the Universe be push back to later in the morning? I was unable to play it this morning at 8:00 am Pacific. There seems to be a reoccurring conflict with the System Maintenance and Tour of the Universe.
Thanks!
is it the Hulk
yes it seems so , well for me anyways
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If I have to do that again, folks are getting referred to the Community Team for further action.
Please play nice, folks.
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Hey where'd my quote go?!
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