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ironmako
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I am just curious. Some online games will make a particular prize giving event which will appear to be completely random, when it is actually premeditated.
For example, there is a certain FPS online which offer its players a "daily draw" which "randomly" puts 8 playing cards down in front of you, all have premium items which you can win for a limited time, or permanently. This appears to be a random win, but it has been confirmed that no matter what card you pick, the game would have already chosen your prize before you even pick a card. Once you pick the card, you see your prize, and all the other cards are revealed, just to annoy you, as they always contain more epic prizes.
I am wondering if the lock box ships are the same. After opening 20 or so lockboxes, I was rewarded with a Mirror Raptor on my KDF toon. I wonder if, for the really sought after ships, you would have to open a certain amount before it looks at giving you any decent reward?
So, I would like to ask those who have won the tal shiar destroyer, Jem'Hadar Dreadnought, the Jem'Hadar Escort, the Bug Ship, and the other exotic ships, roughly how many did you open before you got your ship?
It would be an interesting concept to see what is more worth it? buying from the exchange, or buying the lock box keys.
For example, there is a certain FPS online which offer its players a "daily draw" which "randomly" puts 8 playing cards down in front of you, all have premium items which you can win for a limited time, or permanently. This appears to be a random win, but it has been confirmed that no matter what card you pick, the game would have already chosen your prize before you even pick a card. Once you pick the card, you see your prize, and all the other cards are revealed, just to annoy you, as they always contain more epic prizes.
I am wondering if the lock box ships are the same. After opening 20 or so lockboxes, I was rewarded with a Mirror Raptor on my KDF toon. I wonder if, for the really sought after ships, you would have to open a certain amount before it looks at giving you any decent reward?
So, I would like to ask those who have won the tal shiar destroyer, Jem'Hadar Dreadnought, the Jem'Hadar Escort, the Bug Ship, and the other exotic ships, roughly how many did you open before you got your ship?
It would be an interesting concept to see what is more worth it? buying from the exchange, or buying the lock box keys.
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I tried to find the pages where the stats were listed and compared, but got bored and decided that it was best that you found them yourself.
No it's totally randomized. There are people who spend 100's on keys and never get a ship. out of 10 keys the other day I got 6 mirror ships.
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As for "is it random at all or is their a threshold for the ship ?", there have been people getting it with the first 10 boxes and other ones opening over 500 without it. So it looks like the result are independently generated fro the random number generator, which means it is as random as it can get in a computer game.
Chance seems to be something like ~0.5% for the big one. So... keys are definitely more expensive then the ship. On the other hand, if you opened enough boxes for a reasonable chance at the big ship, you also aquired the 800 lobi for a second big one and have tons of semi valuable stuff.
So both ways are more ore less equal rewarding (which is why the prizes for the ships and the keys are what they currently are.). With limited funds i would buy the ship from the exchange. If i also wanted some lobi stuff or minor rewards and had the money, i might use the boxes.
Rofl!!! :d
The more players opening boxes the faster the RNG is depleted. This is what you are seeing when you see strings of ship rewards, including multiple ships claimed by the same player.
So the worst way to open boxes is piecemeal. The "best" way is to pool them up, wait for one system claim message, and spam open your pool.
Cheers.
This is why I am wondering if there is some sort of pattern. I also think if it works in a similar way to a fruit machine that we all play. Fruit machines generally have a certain percentage payout. I'm sure some of you would have seen someone feeding lots of money into a fruit machine, and sees no payout, then some one goes on it, takes one go, and wins the jackpot. Would this be a more accurate description of the way high-end ships are rewarded? Are we all playing a collective (not borg-related) fruit machine? Once player could open lots of lock boxes just for another player to come along and open one and be given a high-end ship? I would be happier if my odds were mine alone, and not shared with others on some sort of game of chance...
There should be good secundary prices in them though. This was not the case with the original Cardassian boxes. It was the ship or rubbish. As it is now, secundary items are fairly good. I have about 400 lobi, about 10 purple weapons, ground and space, 15 mining certificates, doff packages.
So if there is a ship in the lobi store you also like, you could buy keys. If you are lucky you have your lockbox ship and if you are not, you will come to your lobi shop ship.
Open the boxes on one character. The lobi is character bound. Most item you buy with it are transferable.
The ships on the exchange for EC seem to be much more "affordable" in that sense.
I did get many ghenros meanwhile so 140 keys actually made profit, when considering the galor coming with them, but thats pretty much a billion loss in money
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Actually it would be closer to 200. I believe the minimum Lobi in a box is 4. 800/4=200.
Well I got the Galor after opening two boxes, but I was around when the FE first appeared and the boxes came in two flavours uncommon and gold. I had two gold boxes and they are the ones I opened.
mass effect 3 multiplayer has lock boxes, you open then and they contain within limited items and permanent items like weapons of the most destructive type if your lucky. like any lockbox adventure on any given game you will be lucky to get the unltra rare item the 1st time out or a hundred times from now, thats how it is played.
someone asked how many lock boxes it would take to get 800 lobi? on average of 5 per box which would be an answer of roughly 160 boxes give or take a lobi. with the key prices hovering around 1.5m which would make 240m ec just to get the keys together to get 800 lobi, you are better off just getting the ship on the exchange then waste your time on lobi.
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enjoy? lol, it says "service unavailable".
edit: works now though
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10 keys = $10.
Unless you got the money to buy a new car out of pocket....better to not waste your time going that route.
Buying off the exchange...is more of a forget it. 40-70mil EC. Only way to get that much EC is sell stuff on exchange for just as GREEDY price's as those setting those GREEDY prices.
tour the galaxy, needing on all the loot on teamed events like stf's, selling doffs depending on rarity... plenty of other choices to make a lot of money.
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Wow, thanks for this
At least this confirms what I was thinking, that it isn't random, different prizes do have different odds.
I can only assume that our "odds" are also collective, and not individual, which means, I have to know when some poor TRIBBLE is opening all of his lockboxes, then just pick the right time to open mine.
I would be happier if our chances of winning were individual and not collective.
This assumption makes no sense, and isn't grounded in any evidence or logic. It's also still random as far as which item you get, yes there's a probability chance for each of the items in the pack, but you still aren't guaranteed any of the items at any one point.
This is still based on you selling at the GREED based pricing. Those with out greed are with out luck.
As it's completely random, I have no idea how many keys i've bough or boxes i've opened. I did devise a calculation that shows that it's "cheaper" to sell keys on the exchange than it is to try and get 800 Lobi.
For my Tal Shiar Destroyer, I had 20 Keys anda stack of twenty boxes. I must have opened maybe seven before I got mine. Since I still had 13 boxes and keys, I kept opening and bam, got another one. And then a few days later I was opening a box again and boom, got another one.
It doesn't mean that you'll get a ship every 200 boxes, actually its more like a 50% chance that you will because of how you calculate the probability.
You'd want to open 300-400 Lockboxes to make sure you get a ship. If you don't get them after 400 you have some really, really bad luck.
This was one case where I recorded 900 Boxes. I didn't record the contents after the first 170 because it would have taken too long. I did note when I got lockbox ships however.
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