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Does anyone do ground STF's anymore?
newromulan1
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And if so what is the best role - Tac or Eng?
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It's much easier to make up for the lack of good equipment in Elite space STF's than it is on the ground.
I will run any type of STF if I'm using one of my decked out Toons.
Ground STF's are really fun and all that, but I have to re-arrange my DvD's first alphabetically, and then subgroups of colors.
Wow sounds like Ground stf's are high on your list - how many DvD's - 1000?
You already have the Accolades do you? For Gear?
I believe many people avoid STF ground because they're relatively lengthy and the rewards don't match the time spent. In addition, dropped items on ground are generally less valuable that drops in space.
If cryptic wants to revive the stf ground then i would advice a 50% raise in rewards.
yes during bonus time for <15 min I avg 100 marks on ISE
What are the Ground payouts? And I assume the failure rate on Pugs is high?
Depends on the mission, but getting optional is tedious with pugs on ground.
And in the case of IGE..
IMPOSSIBRU!!!
Oh well, not for me to worry about, I got all optionals long before S7 even hit.
IMO pugging STF's on any level is just too much of a crapshoot to be worth the time.
I join the #EliteSTF Channel a few months after it was established and never looked back.
It's been at least 2 years since I joined the channel and I can count on my two hands the amount of times that I've been a part of a team that missed and optional and I only need 3 fingers to count the number of times a team that I was on whipped and bailed on an STF.
I can understand not wanting to join a Fleet but I can't understand why someone would ever subject themselves to the nightmare that STF pugging can be when there are resources that can connect them to players that run most Elite STF blind folded.
they are avoiding them till they get fixed
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Yes, you get people who are a cancer to your team, but not always. It can be a fun challenge to have to work around your own teammates.
Ground STFs are really fun. CGE is my favorite mission in STO hands down.
It's not that bad, but if you play for the reward then space is more profitable and time efficient. The ground missions are interesting, but the rewards should fit the time invested.
I ran hundreds of stfe ground prior to the reputation system, but now i only run them when i finished grinds for nukara/foundy/dilithium. Let's face it, with fleetmarks removed from Nukara and the new Nukara reputation i expect many people will focus on FM + NM grind.
Edit: If you really want to kill borg in ground combat search foundry for "Starbase 57". Killing Borg and decent rewards.
Yep. It's likely. But that's how you learn.
Just read a walkthrough and give then "normal" difficulty level a try first. If you start to feel confident in your ability and knowledge of the levels, then jump to "elite".
I read the walkthroughs for everything before I try it. I don't want to miss anything/do it wrong. I'm terrible on the ground, though, even in the bog-standard missions.
It's very rare seeing any calls for ground STFs anymore, if you see one, its likely KAGE. With LoR, most calls for grounds are usually accolade runs for those with new Romulan characters.
Best role? Depends.
Tacticals come in handy with sending out Security teams and overall damage.
Engineers, those who specialize in Explosives really shine. (Turrets aren't useful outside of HGE due to you being constantly on the move).
Got my gear from space (MK XII HG ground set in my case), had enough experience fighting borg, joined normal ground pug, said, that i was new and it worked well.
Seriously, if you have your gear set and modulators and know, how to fight borg on ground, the only thing missing is quest knowledge. If you admit being new (they can't kick you), they better give some directions or don't complain over your mistakes. And normal is still normal.
Still, for mark farming i do space. Most of the time ICE and if i can't stand that anymore or am on timer the other ones. Ground is for fun and challange, not for farming.
Many players are so happy to get a group together at all, that they don't complain about people less experienced.
Otherwise, I would rather submit to watching the time travel episodes of Enterprise while being beat to death with a spoon (It takes a really long time...).
Honestly though... Ground STF's are EXTREMELY tedious... I mean I get that this is the Borg and I expect it to be difficult but it is difficult for all the wrong reasons. The Constant Remodding is annoying but acceptable... What is NOT so acceptable is the fact that the stage ITSELF kills you, you get stuck outside the boss fight room the first time you need to respawn, Infected Ground's boss literally PUNISHES you for being an Engineer or Tactical and using any pets as well as forcing you to spread way out. It can be hard to figure out what is going on in some of the missions and like pulling teeth from behind to get some players to work with you...
Besides... The Borg were never the way they are in STO. I would expect the full on terror of having them sneak up behind you, coming out of all corners of their facilities, walking towards you with unrelenting pace like the Cyber Zombies they are and being focused on Assimilating you far more than killing you. They should have the ability to grab you if you get too close and assimilate you on the spot. They should demonstrate intense strength but be less about pew-pewing to a fair degree. When you are assimilated you should be a real threat to your friends as well.
As for Class... A good Medic can make all the difference between success and failure in Infected. For KA Tactical and Engineer are great.
Not quite,
I think the message here should be to avoid Ground STF's if you're pugging because space can be more forgiving of mistakes than ground.
A good group can complete any STF ground mission on Elite in just about 20 minutes and get most Elite Space missions done in about 15.
If there's any message at all to take away from this IMO it would be find a way to connect with other players that like to communicate that only run STF.
STF's are not difficult it?s the players that do not understand how to run them and do not communicate the fact that make STF's difficult.
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Maybe when I have one of those automatically remodulating suits I'd like it more, but I hate having to stop for 10 seconds after 5 shots.
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Nonetheless, if you want to do Ground STFs, I'm your man. Just shoot me a message in-game if you see me on. ^_^
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I beg to differ. First of all, I agree that ground STFs are best NOT to be done with PUG groups. I run ground STFs only with fleet members and those from the elite STF channels. But a 15 min KAGE run can net you 150 omega marks during bonus hour (130 omega marks plus 25 for the optional). I believe the minimum reward for completion is 90 omega marks (not during bonus hour), but I usually get at least 110. You could argue that ISE is still more efficient if you can blow through it in 5 - 10 minutes, but with the 1 hour cooldown, that point is moot as you cannot repeat it.
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