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  • beerxhyperbeerxhyper Member Posts: 676 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I call BS. Numbers or it didn't happen. The ship layout and your claim of marginal equipment makes me think this whole story is BS.

    Ship+low end gear = not possible.

    What magic power, console, buff, ship, weapon made this possible? Must have been that super secret Romulan mega happy OP power.

    Nice try troll.

    acctually the op is telling the truth my lvl 50 romulan in the mirror univrse ha;apex advanced warbirn and even in her non-mirrored universe version can out dps most ofm y lvl 50 fed fleet members in pve and as for pvp yeah roms well come out on top in power.


  • oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Romulan ships.

    Note. Romulan ship, the big ships have many small but important attributes if you are a SCIENCE captain flying one. (if it's one of the plaus ships, even more so. Toss in the new trait system and at level 50 a romulan sci captain in one of the big D's may not be the most manuverable ship in the game but it can utterly lash you to death with exotic damage types. Tost in various and assorted singularity core powers, many of which are not confined to any specific firing "arc"

    I'm not at all surprised the Rom ships can dish out big DPS numbers.
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  • rathsartaro1rathsartaro1 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    What you are really saying is that a fresh out the box lvl 50 tac captain does more damage than an engineer. That doesn't surprise me at all
  • daggermoondaggermoon Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    i think hes meaning more a fresh out of the lvling process no refining but player skill and its putting out in general more dps than a established build thats been refined for awhile.
  • voicesdarkvoicesdark Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's actually a tier 4 accessible ship, not a tier 5

    Minimum Rank: Subadmiral I (Rom)
    Hull Strength: 31,000
    Shield Modifier: 0.9
    Crew: 5000
    Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
    Device Slots: 2
    Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Engineer, 1 Ensign Science, 1 Lieutenant Science
    Console Modifications: 4 Tactical, 2 Engineering, 3 Science
    Base Turn Rate: 16 degrees per second
    +15 Weapon Subsystems
    Singularity Warp Core
    Romulan Battle Cloaking Device
    Singularity Abilities:
    40 Base Power for All Subsystems
    Plasma Shockwave
    Quantum Absorption
    Warp Shadows
    Singularity Jump
    Singularity Overcharge

    The damage output would be from the Comm Tac, LC Tac, and boff spamming. It's not an in general Romulan thing it's this specific ship which is the only true flat out escort so far for Roms so there isn't a balance needed, it's just filling the typical escort role.
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  • nicha0nicha0 Member Posts: 1,456 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Wait, so 5.5k DPS in ISE is OP?
    This is a case of good player in poor gear meets average player, with average player being stunned.

    My eng cruiser can hit 10k in an ISE, most often its around 9 though. Tac escorts do similar damage numbers but can break 10k when aggressive, there isn't as much AoE damage in ISE because everything is killed in an order.

    Of course different parsers yield different numbers, but those low numbers seem somewhat typical from the publiceliteSTF channel.
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  • ironmakoironmako Member Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I flew a nicely kitted out D'Deridex into the "Skirmish" mission. I got pwned by the Axxon. The D'deridex is not OP, unless its the fleet retrofit which could prove otherwise......
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    voicesdark wrote: »
    It's actually a tier 4 accessible ship, not a tier 5

    Minimum Rank: Subadmiral I (Rom)

    Subadmiral I is level 40, equivalent of Rear Admiral. That is tier 5. Romulan Tier 4 is Commander, equivalent of Captain.
  • reynoldsxdreynoldsxd Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wow guys.. just wow.


    Romulan ships have nominally nothing that feds or klinks do not also have. They are not magically doing more damage just because they are romulans.


    What you see there is what you could see with any BOP taking part : decloak bonus damage.

    weapon overload does not push the dps into extremes either.

    + please check on whatever cheese consoles he was using.
  • guard41guard41 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    He's only calling you a troll because he's obviously bias towards Romulans, with a sig that is larger than most of the replies in this forum, they're obnoxious :D

    Truthfully I'm not 100% on them yet. I have noticed an ungodly amount of damage can be put out after cloaking, even more with those romulan boffs. I wouldn't be surprised if a few things are wonky, its all still new atm. Personally I could see 1 or 2 abilities or pieces of equipment being tweaked, but not a massive whack from the nerf bat.
  • age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    puttenham wrote: »
    yeah, so i just did my first stf with a romulan dderidex in group.. the rest of us were feds.. i know the person who was with us, he just turned 50, he has non of the rep perks, he has marginal equipment, and not only was that the smoothest run i have ever made in an stf (dps wise), but my meter showed him as the most dps.. (and im no slouch. playing my fed character that has everything, has been around since the opening of the game, and im usually top dps in most of the groups i run with..)

    so yeah. i guess all this time i was watching voyager, and tng, starfleet had it all wrong.. no need to make a defient class, just send the op romulans in lol...

    on a serious note, this is a serious problem in my eyes.. either, the nerf bat (and i never utter the words nerf, i dislike it, but in this case balance is needed)comes out, or cryptic elevates the klinks and the feds to the new romulan standard of dps.. (which i prefer the latter..)

    i have been on these forums a long long time, and i never complain about balance ever, cause i never really felt a need to, i am an engineer who out dps's most tacs, so when i hear people whineing about how its a tacs game, i usually dont listen.. but these warbirds are putting out some very very impressive, very very high dps,

    your thoughts, discuss..

    and as a side note, three of my friends who are running roms, who were over 10k dps with their feds, are saying that it is unbalanced (but arnt complaining lol..) mainly because they are almost at that dps without having top gear, perks, and being maxed out with build and what not..
    You mean you are comparing a game with a TV show seriously?

    It is a lot different esepcially if you loo at the 23C as there were no escorts except that of DDs or FFs.


    The Defiant was an experimental ship don't forget that is why a lot of Med Miranda cruisers were refitted with cannons and called the Soyuz.

    When it comes to this game though tacs in Defiant can still out dps those in Warbirds even as Rom tacs.You really need to learn more about the difference between this game and the TV shows as well escorts and cruisers.

    btw I can run a stock Defiant in an NM STF and win it.

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