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Romulans not being able to use SF/KDF VA ships
maxdragon77
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Ok, I know now that this was a know issue for a while, but to be honest for many of us that just came back to enjoy the expansion, we didn't know about it and I have a BIG problem with it. After all, Why join the KDF or SF at all if you cant use there VA ships. In the story didn't you permanently pledge to JOIN the SF/KDF. Don't you go on all Top Secret missions that only a VA is equipped or allowed to handle. From a RP, perspective it make no sense what so ever that either faction would let you use there experimental ships from 20-40 all the way to VA then say, Nope you cant have anymore, but please go off on this dangerous mission and save the universe. Now from a gamer perspective, why should i join either side at all if i can dont get to use either sides weapons. Why join? What are they giving you? Hell, I could get my own ships and gear from new romulas don't even need to go to the First City or Earth Spacedock.
The funny thing is I have met and talked to tons of people that don't know yet because there not VA and don't come to the forums. I dont know what you guys at cryptic were thinking, but this, once again, creates frustration and anger for no reason. I am sure some of you will say, "Nobody will play klingon if you can be Romulan with kling ships". If thats the problem then the Klingon races need a major revamp with space combat traits, because thats why people pick the races they do. Its because of the traits they can get and most klingons are melee ground focused. I feel like the whole idea of shared ground and space trait pools is wrong, and each player should have 5 ground and 5 space traits or whatever is agreed upon. Keep the two separate so whole populations are not dependent on just space traits. At least that's my opinion on that topic.
Anyway, They longer the game goes the more frustrated people will become at this problem when more hit VA and dont get the ship they wanted, and it is a problem as it is miss leading to people when you choose your allegiance. The picture shows a Galaxy class ship or a Vorcha battle cruiser and when your leveling up you get the option to buy those ships just like you did with other factions, but when you hit VA. Its like wtf cant I at least get Fleet versions of the zen ships I bought while leveling up. Cryptic, This problem as it also minimizes what Romulan player will be able to buy going forward. You will come out with more fed or kling ships in the z store and at least a 3rd of your players will not be able to buy it. Big mistake.
Simple fix. Romulans pledge allegiance to a faction and vow to fight under its command and get use of all there ships in return once attaining vice admiral. Please no fanboys. Cyrpic is just hurting its self in this decision and we must make them aware of it.
Edit: for all the people who talk about the factions not giving you access and that cryptic is not being misleading.
From the screen that gives you the option to join either faction
"Choosing and ally will give you access to their restricted locations, such as Earth space dock and Qo'nos. You will be able to team with other captains who share your allegiance and BE GIVEN ACCESS TO THEIR SHIPS."
The funny thing is I have met and talked to tons of people that don't know yet because there not VA and don't come to the forums. I dont know what you guys at cryptic were thinking, but this, once again, creates frustration and anger for no reason. I am sure some of you will say, "Nobody will play klingon if you can be Romulan with kling ships". If thats the problem then the Klingon races need a major revamp with space combat traits, because thats why people pick the races they do. Its because of the traits they can get and most klingons are melee ground focused. I feel like the whole idea of shared ground and space trait pools is wrong, and each player should have 5 ground and 5 space traits or whatever is agreed upon. Keep the two separate so whole populations are not dependent on just space traits. At least that's my opinion on that topic.
Anyway, They longer the game goes the more frustrated people will become at this problem when more hit VA and dont get the ship they wanted, and it is a problem as it is miss leading to people when you choose your allegiance. The picture shows a Galaxy class ship or a Vorcha battle cruiser and when your leveling up you get the option to buy those ships just like you did with other factions, but when you hit VA. Its like wtf cant I at least get Fleet versions of the zen ships I bought while leveling up. Cryptic, This problem as it also minimizes what Romulan player will be able to buy going forward. You will come out with more fed or kling ships in the z store and at least a 3rd of your players will not be able to buy it. Big mistake.
Simple fix. Romulans pledge allegiance to a faction and vow to fight under its command and get use of all there ships in return once attaining vice admiral. Please no fanboys. Cyrpic is just hurting its self in this decision and we must make them aware of it.
Edit: for all the people who talk about the factions not giving you access and that cryptic is not being misleading.
From the screen that gives you the option to join either faction
"Choosing and ally will give you access to their restricted locations, such as Earth space dock and Qo'nos. You will be able to team with other captains who share your allegiance and BE GIVEN ACCESS TO THEIR SHIPS."
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Simples.
I wouldn't have personally allowed any FED/KDF ships to be used by Romulan Players.
More to the point, why did I leave my faction to join the fed or kling just to be shunned from there more powerful weapons later on. Am I a second class citizen, good enough to die in battle, but not to purchase the best technology. Its misleading and confuses and frustrates the player. Its a problem.
Most people, meaning those that don't know about it yet. Just talked to 5 people that are lived in command central chat and think its so bad that I must be trolling them. Yeah, Most people....
The reasult of what you propose would be that Romulans could literally fly all ships in this game (depending on their allegianc) while Starfleet and KDF would be restricted to the ships of their own faction.
That is, to be blunt, an unfair advantage and there'd be no point in the creation of a non-Romulan charater left.
Yes, the shiplist is currently short.
This will change over time.
And also to sell more ships in that people who only showed up to play romulan might buy kling or fed va ships.
I personally don't like the romulan va ship I picked so I am actually not currently playing my romulan whereas I might be if I could bring over my real faction va ship.
To me we all just grinding stf for zen anyway so what's the difference - just like reputation should be account unlocked. I am still going to spend dil buying stuff from it so why not?
All in all it's just going to push me back to my regular characters
I addressed this. its not the fault of the romulans for having superior space skills. Its because of the other races having inferior and not fleshed out traits. If human leadership was really awesome I would roll a human and be happy to be a human, but its not and I don't. The 2 factions are filled with races nobody plays because they are just bad traits and don't seem to have a purpose or a use. Some are even negative with no counter balance. I also think that if a klingon or fed has maxed the Romulan rep out they should have access to the romulan ships. After all New Romulas in indebted to you for its survival.
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But for that to work we will propably need more different types of warbirds then we have now. And I'm guessing that is also the reason why they let us access the other factions ships, but doesn't explain the cut off from the VA ships.
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This. Honestly what's the point of even playing a Romulan if you want to completely merge with another faction... I personally would rather no faction sharing. If you just want their traits live with their ships.
Add all the other reasons above as well. And yeah in a ideal world I would prefer the romulans had more of their own ships and couldn't use any KDF or SF ships.
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This seems to be an incredibly common misconception about how the Romulan faction operates in this game, so I'mma point it out for you, and for anyone else in this thread.
You are wrong, wrong, wrong.
At no point does your character ever actually join the Federation or the Klingon Empire. You absolutely never stop being a member of the New Romulan Republic.
You are allying with those factions. You are receiving aide from them, in the form of access to their facilities and trainers, and limited access to equipment (and even starships). But you're not actually part of those organizations, and are never fully behooved to them. Dialogue during the "The Vault" series of missions as a Romulan even specifically mentions this, too.
At no point are you ever identified on any of your in-game markers or tags as being anything other than an officer of the New Romulan Republic. Even your Character Select screen points out you are allied with, not a member of, and that fact never changes.
Obviously, the price for receiving aide from either of these entities is that you occasionally run missions for them. But you never, at any point, join them.
And people on the forums really kinda need to wrap their heads around that.
I mean, look at real world alliances. Just because the United States is tied with countries like, let's say, England, does that make the US part of the English state? Does that make England part of the United States? Absolutely not, that's not how that works, and that's not how it's working in-game with the Romulans.
So yeah. You're not part of Starfleet or the Klingon Defense Force with your Romulan. It's why you don't wear their actual uniforms, or use their top-of-the-line ships. You're Romulan Republic, and always have been.
Fair enough, but doesnt the game treat you as if you were working for the kdf or SF. Doesnt it give you the same missions and same quest rewards. Ask you to take the same risk and compete the same tasks. Sure I may not be 100 percent kdf or Sf, but I have to 100 percent commit to what they want out of me.
I am with a lot of these other people and either make the faction unlock-able through the Romulan rep or don't give access to either. Btw met another 6 people that were pissed they didnt get ot use there z store SF and kdf ships at 50. Its misleading, because you think you can get the ship you want for your romulan and then when you hit 50 you cant use anything.
Btw they don't just give away their most prized tech. You do have to do several quest and level up in rank all the way to a very high trusted level to of even gotten access..
Edit: I'm not entirely sure where, but I do think it was mentioned somewhere that Roms can't use Sf/KDF VA ships.
The system is fair, and working as intended.
Basically: Fed/KDF are unwilling to let their new allies see all their secrets by flying around in their top Ships of the Line.
So, unless the Romulan faction allows you to choose human, it doesn't matter if they have access to another faction's T5 ships... the majority of people will still play Fed.
Wow 5 people huh? Impressive. Maybe you should read the threads about this from back when it was announced. There were mostly postive reactions.
More accurately, from a gameplay perspective there would be zero reason to play a Fed or KDF character if Romulans gained access to every Fed/KDF ship.
Yeah 5 people in a chat for about 30 or 40 that are vocally opposed is nothing to shy away from. As, I posted after I found others that were vocal as well of how they didn't like being mislead. Also, Something announced and something actually seen in game are 2 vastly different things. This forum is littered with people who will support anything new from the developers. I do as well with one caveat, It must be something good.
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Now that I know that, I am glad they cannot access T5 ships from Fed/KDF, or what would be the point of rolling either FED/KDF when you can play Rommie to have your cake and eat it too. I find the trait argument really weak.
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The reason you can't use the T5 ships, on the other hand, is because they have no consoles to steal, and when this idea was originally proposed, people RIOTED as it would entirely destroy the point of having the original factions when Romulans Could Do Everything Better.
The current compromise preserves factional identity while allowing the use of the Consoles.
I couldn't agree more with what you said here. I am completely saddened that all my zen store ships for VA, can't be used with my Rom or Rem fed characters, as you said, it doesn't make any sense.
You've got others replying saying stuff like, "why don't you just play the faction of fed then", but that's not the point! The point is, you paid for a zen store ship, and if your rom character is supposedly joining that faction, then they should be able to use it !
Why is this so hard and difficult for some to understand?
Also, why shouldn't we have the freedom to use our zen store ships? people spend tons of zen on jem'hadar ships and ferengi ships, yet those are different factions then the federation or klingons...
So yeppers, I couldn't agree more.
Point is, you pay real money, you should get what you pay for. And no one should be able to say otherwise.
And for those who complain bout that idea, well, why have the romulans join a fed faction anyways if you don't want them to use that factions ships!?!?
What are you talking about? Armitage, Vesta, lots of T-5 ships, almost all with consoles.
I know why they turned off T5 and Fleet ships, my argument is that they should not have any access to the lower tiers either. Got nothing to do with consoles, and everything to do with poor game design.
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