I wouldn't mind them being toon bound if they went into your assets tab instead of taking up a slot.
Mirror excuse me if I misunderstand your post.
If a player with 10 toons wants a ship on each it is the same amount of time regardless as to whether or not the lobi is character bound or account bound. With the curent situation they could be losing money not making it with that restriction.
The person could see how long it took with one toon to get it and not bother with it on the other nine. If the lobi is account bound the perception is that it was faster to get the ship and so they would do it for all 10.
somethings are best left unexplained, it would get too complicated to understand the underlying idea. but a business that is looking to make a profit on something, this would be the way to do it, by making it cost a lot more.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Anyone else agree? Having these character bound is a bit harsh
This has been demanded for ages and cryptic's reply has always been a lame attempt at avoiding the subject.
Oh, and yes, they love to use the childish excuse that people would exploit their once a year, 20 lobi or so max freebies in the episode re-runs and the new-char creation 10 free lobi. When told: just remove the freebies the reply is : We dont wanna. /facepalm.
Why they don't allow it: Denying account-wide lobi increases profits as players are forced to have stashes of hard to accumulate, expensive to acquire (lock box keys) lobi.
There is no excuse for them not:
1- making lobi account wide and make it a currency not a stupid inventory item.
2- make all items bought in lobi store be given to player in an account-locked crate that when opened become character bound. This excludes lobi items that are tradeable in exchange.
3- Add a lobi refund system. Since the store items have very poor descriptions and worse yet, get nerfed every now and then they should have a means of turning in the item for the lobi it cost. Have this trade in system have an additional dilithium/latinum/whatever cost to it. The crystals are really hard to get, are without a doubt THE most expensive currency in the game and when the item you bought is nerfed you are literally being bait&switched by cryptic.
everything you have should be account bound.. aside from special rewards items and rep store items.
there really is no reason why i cant trade consoles through my account bank.. i can already trade some weapons.
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FULL agreement with the OP and one day it may happen...HOWEVER the wheels at the top levels of PWE/Cryptic have numerous flat tires so it may take some time for them to "make it so"...:(
just my 2 ec's worth
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If Lobi crystals aren't account bound, then all of the items in the Lobi store should be purchasable by any faction, and should be transferable between characters on the account.
When I wanted to buy the Korath uniforms for my KDF captain using my Fed toon's Lobi crystals, it was not possible.
I wouldn't mind Lobi being character bound if there weren't a bunch of Lobi Store items that can't be sold on the Exchange. Things that make no sense to be locked out like the Tholian Totally-Not-A-Lightsaber.
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So, you want us to act like spoiled brats? :rolleyes:
While it is indeed an apt analogy, particularly in relation to my own analogy, it must also be said that we should act appropriately.
The point being made, and I'm sure you already knew and just wanted to make a joke, is that if we simply ask, are told "no", and give up, then that will be the end of it and nothing has been achieved other than Cryptic/PWE's own ends.
If we are adamant in our own intentions, and unrelenting in our effort to have this addressed, then we can achieve the goal.
To take a note from your own analogy, the "spoiled brat" became spoiled and bratty because it worked, did it not? I wholeheartedly agree that the means aren't appropriate, but one can hardly deny the results...
Then we got 'free lobi' in FE reruns, so they argued we could exploit the free lobi if it were account bound.
We asked them to bind just those ones, take them out, something....but nope.
Mmmmm...
While at face value, I accept that people, even like myself with numerous characters could theoretically get 1 lobi per episode per day and stack them, I really have to throw the flag of "bovine fecal matter" on the excuse that it would end up being an exploit.
By that measure then we should not be able to shuffle Dilithium/Zen back and forth from Account to Characters, because of course Dilithium isn't tradeable, but is so easily converted to Zen, and back again.
If that is indeed the case, I will grant the intellectual position of it being a barrier against exploitation that they are character bound. Very well and good, so make a "Lobi exchange" that is otherwise IDENTICAL to the Dilithium Exchange. There is absolutely no possible room for dispute that the ends and the means are one and the same.
I don't wish to deny Cryptic/PWE even a single cent and from my records I'm confident they know I am not hesitant to buy what I like. It's simply a usurious and onerous barrier between the player and a logical, practical, as well as fun means of using Lobi they've already acquired.
While it is indeed an apt analogy, particularly in relation to my own analogy, it must also be said that we should act appropriately.
The point being made, and I'm sure you already knew and just wanted to make a joke, is that if we simply ask, are told "no", and give up, then that will be the end of it and nothing has been achieved other than Cryptic/PWE's own ends.
If we are adamant in our own intentions, and unrelenting in our effort to have this addressed, then we can achieve the goal.
To take a note from your own analogy, the "spoiled brat" became spoiled and bratty because it worked, did it not? I wholeheartedly agree that the means aren't appropriate, but one can hardly deny the results...
Those "results" come from parents who are too lazy to, well, parent. You can keep stamping your feet and holding your breath as much as you want, Cryptic has no incentive to change their mind.
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Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.
Those "results" come from parents who are too lazy to, well, parent. You can keep stamping your feet and holding your breath as much as you want, Cryptic has no incentive to change their mind.
Then we do what a previous poster suggested, stop buying Zen. You stop buying Zen, you stop buying Zen Store stuff. If their profits suffer, then they should be forced to reconsider. I have 675 Lobi on one character. Got it from opening close to 300 Lockboxes. Haven't spent a single one, because I know the stuff in the lobi store is worthless in the long run.
Then we do what a previous poster suggested, stop buying Zen. You stop buying Zen, you stop buying Zen Store stuff. If their profits suffer, then they should be forced to reconsider. I have 675 Lobi on one character. Got it from opening close to 300 Lockboxes. Haven't spent a single one, because I know the stuff in the lobi store is worthless in the long run.
Ah, you misunderstand. I have no problem with Zen or lockboxes. Lobi are only slightly irksome by being character bound, but no big deal.
Was simply pointing out that his "tantrum" technique is basically useless.
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Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.
Ah, you misunderstand. I have no problem with Zen or lockboxes. Lobi are only slightly irksome by being character bound, but no big deal.
Was simply pointing out that his "tantrum" technique is basically useless.
But I'm not suggesting a "tantrum" technique, you're inferring that incorrectly on what I've said perfectly clearly...
I said, in no uncertain terms, that we should simply continue to ask for it until we get it... In fact I've repeatedly said we should act appropriately, which is the antithesis of a tantrum.
It actually has worked, many many times in the past already...
One need only look at the history with Cryptic...
Ambassador Class?
Andorian Ship?
Federation Carriers?
Federation Cloaks?
Basically every interesting console the KDF has ever had transferred to the Federation?
and on and on and on...
So suggesting it can't work is profoundly ignorant of what has already come to pass, and continues to happen at this very second (plasmonic leech console anyone???).
Not only can it work, it's more likely TO work because of how often it can and has worked before and will continue to work in the future.
Certainly there are examples of Cryptic being immovable on things they can't control, like CBS's decisions to not allow certain things or features (like a Tier 5 Constitution), but Lobi crystals are entirely Cryptic's/PWE's realm to do with as they see fit. Aside from a very minor reference in an episode of Voyager, they are practically impervious to any canon limitations.
So again, I reiterate my suggestion for some form of Lobi Exchange, akin to the Dilithium Exchange.
There is absolutely no grounds or reason to preclude such a feature.
I'd like to see Lobi become account-bound, but it's not a huge deal. Most stuff on the Lobi store comes in boxes you can trade to your other characters, so I've just been having one captain open all the lockboxes, so he gets all the Lobi. Still got 2-3 Lobi on my other characters, but oh well, no big deal.
As you say, not a big deal - I see it the same way.
However, having a nuisance existing like this is probably hurting more than helping. There really isn't a solid reason why it is the way it is, unless there's some major game-breaker we haven't thought of.
Inconveniencing people just to inconvenience them is rather a poor business decision.
Either Lobi or Mining Claims should be made account bound, I want lobi on 1 character but mining claims I want on my 4 federation characters.
SORT IT
Amen to that as well...
The mining claim is nothing more than an opportunity to mine Dilithium, which the dilithium itself is again only bound by the limitation of you to put it on the Dilithium Exchange...
The box you get it in is tradeable. The key you opened the box with is tradeable. The other items you get in the boxes are tradeable... So by what possible line of "reasoning" are Lobi Crystals and Mining Claims character bound for no other reason than "because"...
As with other actions in the past, when Cryptic makes things more svelte and convenient, their profitability goes UP drastically, not down. Making Lockboxes less usurious to begin with by putting in enough value for your money eventually made them vastly less despised and now arguably "well accepted" at this point.
I would consider opening lockboxes if the lobi were not bound. My characters that might want something from the lobi store are not the same characters that need the mining claims. I wonder how much lockbox key sales PWE misses out on because of this.
Just make free lobi from Featured episodes character bound, then there will be no problem in making other lobi account bound. If this can't be done just stop giving free lobi away. I will never get anything with Lobi ever unless this changes.
But I'm not suggesting a "tantrum" technique, you're inferring that incorrectly on what I've said perfectly clearly...
I said, in no uncertain terms, that we should simply continue to ask for it until we get it... In fact I've repeatedly said we should act appropriately, which is the antithesis of a tantrum.
It actually has worked, many many times in the past already...
One need only look at the history with Cryptic...
Ambassador Class?
Andorian Ship?
Federation Carriers?
Federation Cloaks?
Basically every interesting console the KDF has ever had transferred to the Federation?
and on and on and on...
*facepalm* Are you honestly equating "hey, we'd like to see ship X" with "we're going to keep telling you to make Lobi account bound, over, and over, and over, and..."
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Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.
Players QQ for free lobi killed the chance for them being account bound......
This couldn't be further from the truth. The irrelevant Open the Box mission could easily be removed. The "tutorial" for Lobi could just as easily be on the Lobi Crystal itself when right clicking it, or double left clicking it.
This isn't true if you look at the bigger picture. Lets say that you want to buy a Tholian Sword for 50 lobi, and you have five characters on your account each with 10 lobi. If it were account bound, then you'd just pool your lobi, get the sword, and everybody would be happy right?
But because it's not account bound, you can't pool your lobi, and in order to get the sword you want, you must use the character who needs the item, and open more lockboxes for more lobi. Which means more Master Keys, which no matter how you get your hands on it, originally was real money to PWE.
They want to sell as MANY keys as possible, making the lobi account bound would be counter to that goal. We may not like it and we may not agree, but it is what it is.
Good argument, but here is the other side of the coin. People say it's not worth that much money to get one for each character and don't bother even getting the one they originally wanted. No money for Cryptic at all now. Which scenario looks better? Getting at least some money or getting none at all?
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
*facepalm* Are you honestly equating "hey, we'd like to see ship X" with "we're going to keep telling you to make Lobi account bound, over, and over, and over, and..."
TRANSLATION of what bluegrassgeek is saying: I can't actually argue the point, so I'm going to resort to ad hominem to avoid an intellectually honest debate of the merits.
Yes, players requesting many many many things before, now, and certainly in the future eventually got them made into a reality. The analogy is a perfectly appropriate, you simply have nothing to counter it with, so you instead try to avoid conceding that there is no logical ground from which to counter by mockery rather than any actual demonstration of some fault in the premise.
To really drive this point home, the Federation perpetually begging for every console, capability (like carriers), and ship ability the KDF has ever had resulted in what exactly???
More to the point, it's not even a "faction vs. faction" request, it's just a gameplay improvement. But seeing as you can not actually point out any fault, and basically say "well that's dumb" without actually demonstrating that as the case in anyway, it pretty much spells out how strong an argument against your 'Con-position' it is that you can't even pretend to counter it.
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somethings are best left unexplained, it would get too complicated to understand the underlying idea. but a business that is looking to make a profit on something, this would be the way to do it, by making it cost a lot more.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
This has been demanded for ages and cryptic's reply has always been a lame attempt at avoiding the subject.
Oh, and yes, they love to use the childish excuse that people would exploit their once a year, 20 lobi or so max freebies in the episode re-runs and the new-char creation 10 free lobi. When told: just remove the freebies the reply is : We dont wanna. /facepalm.
Why they don't allow it: Denying account-wide lobi increases profits as players are forced to have stashes of hard to accumulate, expensive to acquire (lock box keys) lobi.
There is no excuse for them not:
1- making lobi account wide and make it a currency not a stupid inventory item.
2- make all items bought in lobi store be given to player in an account-locked crate that when opened become character bound. This excludes lobi items that are tradeable in exchange.
3- Add a lobi refund system. Since the store items have very poor descriptions and worse yet, get nerfed every now and then they should have a means of turning in the item for the lobi it cost. Have this trade in system have an additional dilithium/latinum/whatever cost to it. The crystals are really hard to get, are without a doubt THE most expensive currency in the game and when the item you bought is nerfed you are literally being bait&switched by cryptic.
there really is no reason why i cant trade consoles through my account bank.. i can already trade some weapons.
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just my 2 ec's worth
Badname Betty (PvP...PvE...STF...Trophy Hunter...Latnium Collector...Federation)
Commander Morgana (PvP...PvE...STF...KDF)
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When I wanted to buy the Korath uniforms for my KDF captain using my Fed toon's Lobi crystals, it was not possible.
"We are smart." - Grebnedlog
Member of Alliance Central Command/boq botlhra'ghom
While it is indeed an apt analogy, particularly in relation to my own analogy, it must also be said that we should act appropriately.
The point being made, and I'm sure you already knew and just wanted to make a joke, is that if we simply ask, are told "no", and give up, then that will be the end of it and nothing has been achieved other than Cryptic/PWE's own ends.
If we are adamant in our own intentions, and unrelenting in our effort to have this addressed, then we can achieve the goal.
To take a note from your own analogy, the "spoiled brat" became spoiled and bratty because it worked, did it not? I wholeheartedly agree that the means aren't appropriate, but one can hardly deny the results...
Mmmmm...
While at face value, I accept that people, even like myself with numerous characters could theoretically get 1 lobi per episode per day and stack them, I really have to throw the flag of "bovine fecal matter" on the excuse that it would end up being an exploit.
By that measure then we should not be able to shuffle Dilithium/Zen back and forth from Account to Characters, because of course Dilithium isn't tradeable, but is so easily converted to Zen, and back again.
If that is indeed the case, I will grant the intellectual position of it being a barrier against exploitation that they are character bound. Very well and good, so make a "Lobi exchange" that is otherwise IDENTICAL to the Dilithium Exchange. There is absolutely no possible room for dispute that the ends and the means are one and the same.
I don't wish to deny Cryptic/PWE even a single cent and from my records I'm confident they know I am not hesitant to buy what I like. It's simply a usurious and onerous barrier between the player and a logical, practical, as well as fun means of using Lobi they've already acquired.
or they could just change that mission
Those "results" come from parents who are too lazy to, well, parent. You can keep stamping your feet and holding your breath as much as you want, Cryptic has no incentive to change their mind.
Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.
Then we do what a previous poster suggested, stop buying Zen. You stop buying Zen, you stop buying Zen Store stuff. If their profits suffer, then they should be forced to reconsider. I have 675 Lobi on one character. Got it from opening close to 300 Lockboxes. Haven't spent a single one, because I know the stuff in the lobi store is worthless in the long run.
Was simply pointing out that his "tantrum" technique is basically useless.
Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.
But I'm not suggesting a "tantrum" technique, you're inferring that incorrectly on what I've said perfectly clearly...
I said, in no uncertain terms, that we should simply continue to ask for it until we get it... In fact I've repeatedly said we should act appropriately, which is the antithesis of a tantrum.
It actually has worked, many many times in the past already...
One need only look at the history with Cryptic...
Ambassador Class?
Andorian Ship?
Federation Carriers?
Federation Cloaks?
Basically every interesting console the KDF has ever had transferred to the Federation?
and on and on and on...
So suggesting it can't work is profoundly ignorant of what has already come to pass, and continues to happen at this very second (plasmonic leech console anyone???).
Not only can it work, it's more likely TO work because of how often it can and has worked before and will continue to work in the future.
Certainly there are examples of Cryptic being immovable on things they can't control, like CBS's decisions to not allow certain things or features (like a Tier 5 Constitution), but Lobi crystals are entirely Cryptic's/PWE's realm to do with as they see fit. Aside from a very minor reference in an episode of Voyager, they are practically impervious to any canon limitations.
So again, I reiterate my suggestion for some form of Lobi Exchange, akin to the Dilithium Exchange.
There is absolutely no grounds or reason to preclude such a feature.
As you say, not a big deal - I see it the same way.
However, having a nuisance existing like this is probably hurting more than helping. There really isn't a solid reason why it is the way it is, unless there's some major game-breaker we haven't thought of.
Inconveniencing people just to inconvenience them is rather a poor business decision.
SORT IT
Amen to that as well...
The mining claim is nothing more than an opportunity to mine Dilithium, which the dilithium itself is again only bound by the limitation of you to put it on the Dilithium Exchange...
The box you get it in is tradeable. The key you opened the box with is tradeable. The other items you get in the boxes are tradeable... So by what possible line of "reasoning" are Lobi Crystals and Mining Claims character bound for no other reason than "because"...
As with other actions in the past, when Cryptic makes things more svelte and convenient, their profitability goes UP drastically, not down. Making Lockboxes less usurious to begin with by putting in enough value for your money eventually made them vastly less despised and now arguably "well accepted" at this point.
Just make free lobi from Featured episodes character bound, then there will be no problem in making other lobi account bound. If this can't be done just stop giving free lobi away. I will never get anything with Lobi ever unless this changes.
*facepalm* Are you honestly equating "hey, we'd like to see ship X" with "we're going to keep telling you to make Lobi account bound, over, and over, and over, and..."
Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.
This couldn't be further from the truth. The irrelevant Open the Box mission could easily be removed. The "tutorial" for Lobi could just as easily be on the Lobi Crystal itself when right clicking it, or double left clicking it.
I bet people would just remake chars over and over get the 1 lobi, transfer it and delete/start over again and again.
that could be fixed though.
I totally agree!
Make Lobi account bound!
Good argument, but here is the other side of the coin. People say it's not worth that much money to get one for each character and don't bother even getting the one they originally wanted. No money for Cryptic at all now. Which scenario looks better? Getting at least some money or getting none at all?
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
A trivial "complication" at best. See posts earlier in this thread.
Yes they should. Nothing else need be said.
TRANSLATION of what bluegrassgeek is saying: I can't actually argue the point, so I'm going to resort to ad hominem to avoid an intellectually honest debate of the merits.
Yes, players requesting many many many things before, now, and certainly in the future eventually got them made into a reality. The analogy is a perfectly appropriate, you simply have nothing to counter it with, so you instead try to avoid conceding that there is no logical ground from which to counter by mockery rather than any actual demonstration of some fault in the premise.
To really drive this point home, the Federation perpetually begging for every console, capability (like carriers), and ship ability the KDF has ever had resulted in what exactly???
More to the point, it's not even a "faction vs. faction" request, it's just a gameplay improvement. But seeing as you can not actually point out any fault, and basically say "well that's dumb" without actually demonstrating that as the case in anyway, it pretty much spells out how strong an argument against your 'Con-position' it is that you can't even pretend to counter it.