I believe he is saying you just got owned. By yourself. Awkward. But in a much nicer way.
I find no way I got "owned". It is fascinating & interesting to note what strangers personal interpretations are of what my comments were. I see several people skimming my topic and posting ham fistedly without paying attention to the narrative. Perhaps you can explain further.
I'm not seeing anything of substance in this reply, care to clarify?
You posted that if you hired someone to fix a door you shouldn't expect to have them build you a house. This is absurd reasoning and he pointed that out. So you quoted him in his correction of your absurd analogy by basically typing out what he had summarized when he had said, "None of the shenanigans today was scheduled"
We will remember how people got angry at every launch date that ever happened and remember it fondly.
I bought STO:CE and somewhere around 2 years of Subscription, and have not paid since then, but happily since STO has gone free to play I have the privilege of playing this game. I know perfectly well I don't deserve to play, but by Cryptics good will they have allowed it. To expect everything to be 100% working for you people who have paid nothing into the game, you people are hypocrites. I am grateful just to login and play, let alone get free expansion packs. I really cannot believe how greedy and low down people are when they pay nothing and still complain. Lifetime people sure, Gold sure, but free to play people really need some perspective.
That has honestly got to be one of the most naive things I've read today. You can't really believe that the game only went F2P out of the goodness of Cryptic's heart? They and PWE made the business decision that the subscription-only model was failing (as evidenced by nearly every MMO apart from WoW at the time) and that F2P with micro-transactions would ultimately be a more profitable and sustainable model in the long run. It would appear that the decision has been vindicated, as they appear to be making a pretty penny on master keys, among other things. I know a lot of players who buy Zen just to fuel their fleet projects. One thing you have to realize is that one critically important factor for MMOs is the network effect. The more players you have, the more interaction you get, and the more attachment each player may have to the game via their friends. If you constantly have issues like this at every significant update, it has the serious potential to put off players. The whole point of an update is to draw in new players, and if preemptive measures can't be established to maintain some minimum level of stability in the face of the massive influx that was expected for weeks, there are some serious issues. It's even more discouraging because the servers were already beginning to buckle under the strain weeks earlier.
That has honestly got to be one of the most naive things I've read today. You can't really believe that the game only went F2P out of the goodness of Cryptic's heart? They and PWE made the business decision that the subscription-only model was failing (as evidenced by nearly every MMO apart from WoW at the time) and that F2P with micro-transactions would ultimately be a more profitable and sustainable model in the long run. It would appear that the decision has been vindicated, as they appear to be making a pretty penny on master keys, among other things. I know a lot of players who buy Zen just to fuel their fleet projects. One thing you have to realize is that one critically important factor for MMOs is the network effect. The more players you have, the more interaction you get, and the more attachment each player may have to the game via their friends. If you constantly have issues like this at every significant update, it has the serious potential to put off players. The whole point of an update is to draw in new players, and if preemptive measures can't be established to maintain some minimum level of stability in the face of the massive influx that was expected for weeks, there are some serious issues. It's even more discouraging because the servers were already beginning to buckle under the strain weeks earlier.
I don't believe anyone could of said it better. Bravo to you sir
With the amount of rage over something even Stevie Wonder could have seen coming, I'm pretty sure the people you're scolding won't be alive in twenty five years.
Let them have a Snickers and a nap and they'll calm down.
With the amount of rage over something even Stevie Wonder could have seen coming, I'm pretty sure the people you're scolding won't be alive in twenty five years.
Let them have a Snickers and a nap and they'll calm down.
With the amount of rage over something even Stevie Wonder could have seen coming, I'm pretty sure the people you're scolding won't be alive in twenty five years.
Let them have a Snickers and a nap and they'll calm down.
You posted that if you hired someone to fix a door you shouldn't expect to have them build you a house. This is absurd reasoning and he pointed that out. So you quoted him in his correction of your absurd analogy by basically typing out what he had summarized when he had said, "None of the shenanigans today was scheduled"
Does that clarify for you?
So it's not absurd to expect someone to build you a house when all you did was pay for the door to be fixed? Interesting logic.
So it's not absurd to expect someone to build you a house when all you did was pay for the door to be fixed? Interesting logic.
You like dancing around the point don't you? Yes it is absurd to expect that much, HOWEVER, that is not the point I was making. If you learned to read the actual meaning of what people posted as opposed to what you wanted to read, you might be better off. My advice to you is stop posting, take a tissue and wipe the brown fecal matter off of your nose.
You like dancing around the point don't you? Yes it is absurd to expect that much, HOWEVER, that is not the point I was making. If you learned to read the actual meaning of what people posted as opposed to what you wanted to read, you might be better off. My advice to you is stop posting, take a tissue and wipe the brown fecal matter off of your nose.
Nothing you just finished posting furthers your credibility a single inch. In fact you are now just directly insulting me. Your debate does not go well.
Nothing you just finished posting furthers your credibility a single inch. In fact you are now just directly insulting me. Your debate does not go well.
You are correct. I was insulting you. The reason being that you asked me to clarify what I meant when I said you solidified the argument being made against you. When I did just that you ignored what I had said and instead tried to pick apart my argument. On another note, what the hell makes you think I was having a debate with you. I pointed out a flaw in your argument. You asked me to clarify. I clarified. End of dialogue. Are you done trying to look smart or should we all devolve into a babble of idiots bent on insulting each others mothers?
While I'd love to stay and chat, I have college courses I must attend. I must bid you, and your flawed logic, and your pointy eared brown nose, farewell for now.
I do believe this analogy needs to be refined a bit, lest the straw-man continue to be flung about. Obviously nobody expects the carpenter to build a whole house when contracted to build a door. That is patently absurd and nobody was arguing that. A more apt example would be if this carpenter was hired to build a door, and despite weeks of foreknowledge about the amount of traffic that would be going in and out of that door, including observations that other entry doors to the house were starting to come off the hinges due to slightly increased foot traffic (though not nearly as much as was expected of the main door) the door, when supposedly finished, promptly fell off its hinges and somehow got wedged in its frame and was unable to open.
I do believe this analogy needs to be refined a bit, lest the straw-man continue to be flung about. Obviously nobody expects the carpenter to build a whole house when contracted to build a door. That is patently absurd and nobody was arguing that. A more apt example would be if this carpenter was hired to build a door, and despite weeks of foreknowledge about the amount of traffic that would be going in and out of that door, including observations that other entry doors to the house were starting to come off the hinges due to slightly increased foot traffic (though not nearly as much as was expected of the main door) the door, when supposedly finished, promptly fell off its hinges and somehow got wedged in its frame and was unable to open.
Problem with that is the carpenter was hired to build a small door, then people decided to throw one epic party after another in a house built for small functions. No one paid them to build an epic drawbridge of a door, nor did they expect to need one. Then when you invite all your friends, and they invite there's, and every one piles in at once, the door breaks. Pretty sure that voids the warranty of any door job, and you don't need judge Judy to figure out that this isn't the carpenter's fault.
Or would you have liked them to "fix" this door for you last week, or the week before? No you would be just as angry then as now when they have to shutdown things, and bar off your door while they expand it for several hours, instead every one just kept coming and going giving the carpenter the stink eye if he so much as looked at the door, because hey, they were using it.
Now the door is being fixed, for free mind you, so simmer down, you should have made back up plans like the carpenter hopefully did since any one with common sense would go you know no one has closed this door to expand it in a long time, I don't know if it will hold the giant party today. Me I am reading the forums and listening to music looking for real data on the door, and tired of seeing the guy screaming that he got riped off, with his empty beer hat, and funoodle tucked under each arm wanting into the party.
Problem with that is the carpenter was hired to build a small door, then people decided to throw one epic party after another in a house built for small functions. No one paid them to build an epic drawbridge of a door, nor did they expect to need one. Then when you invite all your friends, and they invite there's, and every one piles in at once, the door breaks. Pretty sure that voids the warranty of any door job, and you don't need judge Judy to figure out that this isn't the carpenter's fault.
Or would you have liked them to "fix" this door for you last week, or the week before? No you would be just as angry then as now when they have to shutdown things, and bar off your door while they expand it for several hours, instead every one just kept coming and going giving the carpenter the stink eye if he so much as looked at the door, because hey, they were using it.
Now the door is being fixed, for free mind you, so simmer down, you should have made back up plans like the carpenter hopefully did since any one with common sense would go you know no one has closed this door to expand it in a long time, I don't know if it will hold the giant party today. Me I am reading the forums and listening to music looking for real data on the door, and tired of seeing the guy screaming that he got riped off, with his empty beer hat, and funoodle tucked under each arm wanting into the party.
Did Cryptic and PWE not just spend several months advertising a new expansion through various media outlets, both gaming and Trek? Did they not see the server strain that was being caused JUST by adding one new game to their servers? Did they not have some sort of estimates of the huge increase in traffic that would be occurring on launch day? If they seriously expected there to be no significant increase in traffic (do recall that in the analogy, the carpenter has been made fully aware of this party you mention, weeks in advance of starting the job) then that would just speak even more poorly of their planning and execution.
Did Cryptic and PWE not just spend several months advertising a new expansion through various media outlets, both gaming and Trek? Did they not see the server strain that was being caused JUST by adding one new game to their servers? Did they not have some sort of estimates of the huge increase in traffic that would be occurring on launch day? If they seriously expected there to be no significant increase in traffic (do recall that in the analogy, the carpenter has been made fully aware of this party you mention, weeks in advance of starting the job) then that would just speak even more poorly of their planning and execution.
Not to throw my gloves into this ring too far, but actually having built and troubleshot software infrastructure, written code,etc...
It's more akin to designing and building a giant city with fully functional utilities, roadways, stores, homes, etc., opening it up to the public, and then watching the entire city implode when a ill-timed stop-light causes massive infrastructure backup, congestion and implosion.
No matter how well you design and prepare, you never know what the environment can truly handle until D-Day. Nature of the beast, sadly.
Not to throw my gloves into this ring too far, but actually having built and troubleshot software infrastructure, written code,etc...
It's more akin to designing and building a giant city with fully functional utilities, roadways, stores, homes, etc., opening it up to the public, and then watching the entire city implode when a ill-timed stop-light causes massive infrastructure backup, congestion and implosion.
No matter how well you design and prepare, you never know what the environment can truly handle until D-Day. Nature of the beast, sadly.
That is understandable, but to paraphrase what so many people are fond of saying today, "this happens every expansion, live with it." If it happens every expansion, is it not reasonable to expect that something will have been learned from each successive incident that could mitigate the next? As someone pointed out in another thread, we enable them to keep doing this by adopting the very attitude I just mentioned. This also does not account for the fact that they should have been well aware that the servers were straining for many players as soon as they launched NW. If that wasn't a sign of potential trouble for when their most anticipated launch arrived, I don't know what would be.
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I find no way I got "owned". It is fascinating & interesting to note what strangers personal interpretations are of what my comments were. I see several people skimming my topic and posting ham fistedly without paying attention to the narrative. Perhaps you can explain further.
You posted that if you hired someone to fix a door you shouldn't expect to have them build you a house. This is absurd reasoning and he pointed that out. So you quoted him in his correction of your absurd analogy by basically typing out what he had summarized when he had said, "None of the shenanigans today was scheduled"
Does that clarify for you?
You still play with Barbie dolls?
That has honestly got to be one of the most naive things I've read today. You can't really believe that the game only went F2P out of the goodness of Cryptic's heart? They and PWE made the business decision that the subscription-only model was failing (as evidenced by nearly every MMO apart from WoW at the time) and that F2P with micro-transactions would ultimately be a more profitable and sustainable model in the long run. It would appear that the decision has been vindicated, as they appear to be making a pretty penny on master keys, among other things. I know a lot of players who buy Zen just to fuel their fleet projects. One thing you have to realize is that one critically important factor for MMOs is the network effect. The more players you have, the more interaction you get, and the more attachment each player may have to the game via their friends. If you constantly have issues like this at every significant update, it has the serious potential to put off players. The whole point of an update is to draw in new players, and if preemptive measures can't be established to maintain some minimum level of stability in the face of the massive influx that was expected for weeks, there are some serious issues. It's even more discouraging because the servers were already beginning to buckle under the strain weeks earlier.
I don't believe anyone could of said it better. Bravo to you sir
With the amount of rage over something even Stevie Wonder could have seen coming, I'm pretty sure the people you're scolding won't be alive in twenty five years.
Let them have a Snickers and a nap and they'll calm down.
Was that dirty? I think that was dirty.
This made me chuckle
That was amazing. Haha.
So it's not absurd to expect someone to build you a house when all you did was pay for the door to be fixed? Interesting logic.
You like dancing around the point don't you? Yes it is absurd to expect that much, HOWEVER, that is not the point I was making. If you learned to read the actual meaning of what people posted as opposed to what you wanted to read, you might be better off. My advice to you is stop posting, take a tissue and wipe the brown fecal matter off of your nose.
Nothing you just finished posting furthers your credibility a single inch. In fact you are now just directly insulting me. Your debate does not go well.
You are correct. I was insulting you. The reason being that you asked me to clarify what I meant when I said you solidified the argument being made against you. When I did just that you ignored what I had said and instead tried to pick apart my argument. On another note, what the hell makes you think I was having a debate with you. I pointed out a flaw in your argument. You asked me to clarify. I clarified. End of dialogue. Are you done trying to look smart or should we all devolve into a babble of idiots bent on insulting each others mothers?
While I'd love to stay and chat, I have college courses I must attend. I must bid you, and your flawed logic, and your pointy eared brown nose, farewell for now.
Problem with that is the carpenter was hired to build a small door, then people decided to throw one epic party after another in a house built for small functions. No one paid them to build an epic drawbridge of a door, nor did they expect to need one. Then when you invite all your friends, and they invite there's, and every one piles in at once, the door breaks. Pretty sure that voids the warranty of any door job, and you don't need judge Judy to figure out that this isn't the carpenter's fault.
Or would you have liked them to "fix" this door for you last week, or the week before? No you would be just as angry then as now when they have to shutdown things, and bar off your door while they expand it for several hours, instead every one just kept coming and going giving the carpenter the stink eye if he so much as looked at the door, because hey, they were using it.
Now the door is being fixed, for free mind you, so simmer down, you should have made back up plans like the carpenter hopefully did since any one with common sense would go you know no one has closed this door to expand it in a long time, I don't know if it will hold the giant party today. Me I am reading the forums and listening to music looking for real data on the door, and tired of seeing the guy screaming that he got riped off, with his empty beer hat, and funoodle tucked under each arm wanting into the party.
Did Cryptic and PWE not just spend several months advertising a new expansion through various media outlets, both gaming and Trek? Did they not see the server strain that was being caused JUST by adding one new game to their servers? Did they not have some sort of estimates of the huge increase in traffic that would be occurring on launch day? If they seriously expected there to be no significant increase in traffic (do recall that in the analogy, the carpenter has been made fully aware of this party you mention, weeks in advance of starting the job) then that would just speak even more poorly of their planning and execution.
Not to throw my gloves into this ring too far, but actually having built and troubleshot software infrastructure, written code,etc...
It's more akin to designing and building a giant city with fully functional utilities, roadways, stores, homes, etc., opening it up to the public, and then watching the entire city implode when a ill-timed stop-light causes massive infrastructure backup, congestion and implosion.
No matter how well you design and prepare, you never know what the environment can truly handle until D-Day. Nature of the beast, sadly.
That is understandable, but to paraphrase what so many people are fond of saying today, "this happens every expansion, live with it." If it happens every expansion, is it not reasonable to expect that something will have been learned from each successive incident that could mitigate the next? As someone pointed out in another thread, we enable them to keep doing this by adopting the very attitude I just mentioned. This also does not account for the fact that they should have been well aware that the servers were straining for many players as soon as they launched NW. If that wasn't a sign of potential trouble for when their most anticipated launch arrived, I don't know what would be.