One of the two major issues that keeps me from enjoying KDF content is the fact that no matter what species you play or the concept you have for your KDF Captain is that the game is scripted to be Klingon specific.
So, if you're another species from far away, an Orion or whatever, you're still a Klingon and your crew is still Klingon (even when they are not).
I understand the sentiment, but it is the Klingon military faction, regardless of what species or backstory you choose for your character. To an extent, it's up to us to decide why our characters are participating in a military campaign, in a Klingon cultural environment.
That said, I'd love to see some optional Reputation systems which force the player to make choices among some of the "sub-factions" found in the game. You could choose to support the Gorn rebellion, or quash it, and each rep system would have its own associated missions.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
That B'rotlh BoP is sooo sweet! I really really like it a lot! I hope we get to use that skin on the Tier 5 B'rel.
I'm used to fly cruisers, but my 2 favourite ships in STO now are BoPs:eek: and both are comming with LoR!
Also, hell yeah, Nausicaan pirates with Jackal Mastifs FTW!!
This expansion is going to be awesome!
Qapla' Cryptic! Thanks for bringing the KDF to it's rightfull place in STO as a full and unique faction!
So? All Fed content is species agnostic too - as is all Rom content.
Oddly, I don't have that experience while playing on the Starfleet side.
Diplomatic options can change the experience from I'm going to kill you now to Let's resolve this without violence.
You pick the response you like.
KDF get the choice of Aggressive or More Aggressive.
I learned that the hard way when trying to not kill the Tal Shiar who was willing to betray her boss.
Also, the Romulan sector mission where you negotiate with two opposing parties is all full of talk about how to crush the weak and be strong in the face of your enemies.
That's why KDF gameplay is so one-dimensional to me, there's no real choice in your options, you're just saying the same thing 3 different ways.
That said, I'd love to see some optional Reputation systems which force the player to make choices among some of the "sub-factions" found in the game. You could choose to support the Gorn rebellion, or quash it, and each rep system would have its own associated missions.
Oh, I'd choose to support the Gorn!
Anything that isn't the Klingon way is automatically the way I would go!
Cool idea, by the way.
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So, question; is K'mtar going to be the K'mtar who travels back in time to "Firstborn" (which would require some explaining since according to the episode, Worf was died after declaring in the Council Hall that the House of Worf would no longer take part in the inter-house rivalries; but, in STO, Worf himself isn't just part of the House of Martok, he's also banned from the Council Hall) or is this going the K'mtar that already traveled back in time and simply faded after "Firstborn" turning out to still be around?
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^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
Oddly, I don't have that experience while playing on the Starfleet side.
Diplomatic options can change the experience from I'm going to kill you now to Let's resolve this without violence.
You pick the response you like.
KDF get the choice of Aggressive or More Aggressive.
I learned that the hard way when trying to not kill the Tal Shiar who was willing to betray her boss.
Also, the Romulan sector mission where you negotiate with two opposing parties is all full of talk about how to crush the weak and be strong in the face of your enemies.
That's why KDF gameplay is so one-dimensional to me, there's no real choice in your options, you're just saying the same thing 3 different ways.
Ever play 'The Punisher' video game ? The fun was deciding weather to beat the bad guy senseless with a baseball bat or simply thro him out of a window with a grenade stuffed in his mouth.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
Question, will everyone have access to play the Romulan faction or will it be by paying for it from a starter pack or legacy pack?
The Romulan faction is free to play just as everything in the game.
The Legacy and starter packs are nice bundles of new Romulan ships, Reman species, Boffs and Doffs that we can get on preorder at a discounted price. You can play the Romulan faction for free, they have a line of free ships you obtain by leveling just like the KDF and the Federation.
Congratulations on bringing us deeper into the Klingon experience while playing KDF content.
In case you can't tell, that was sarcasm.
One of the two major issues that keeps me from enjoying KDF content is the fact that no matter what species you play or the concept you have for your KDF Captain is that the game is scripted to be Klingon specific.
So, if you're another species from far away, an Orion or whatever, you're still a Klingon and your crew is still Klingon (even when they are not).
And considering this first mission is just more of the Klingon mindset, all it achieves is to push me further away from the KDF, not bring me closer to it.
I have the same problem... and while people may point to the Fed content as being the same way, it's not nearly as bad as in the KDF content when you use Klingon euphemisms as anything but a Klingon.
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Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
Question, will everyone have access to play the Romulan faction or will it be by paying for it from a starter pack or legacy pack?
Starter and legacy packs should be thought of as more of discounted c-store ship bundles. Not purchasing these dose not prevent you playing the romulan faction. They are just the c-store shinnies
So? All Fed content is species agnostic too - as is all Rom content.
The thing is, there's a lot of rich storytelling that could be explored in species specific KDF content - and they actually addressed some of it in the Bortasqu' Day of Honor thing. The Orion crewmember says something along the lines if: "Honor? Who cares, I'm not a Klingon." Why isn't there more of this, but for the player?
Oddly, I don't have that experience while playing on the Starfleet side.
Diplomatic options can change the experience from I'm going to kill you now to Let's resolve this without violence.
And whether your Fed Captain is Human, Andorian, Ferengi, Vulcan, or Alien, you get the exact same Fed choices.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
The thing is, there's a lot of rich storytelling that could be explored in species specific KDF content - and they actually addressed some of it in the Bortasqu' Day of Honor thing. The Orion crewmember says something along the lines if: "Honor? Who cares, I'm not a Klingon." Why isn't there more of this, but for the player?
There's a lot of rich storytelling to be told. Period. You'd think a Vulcan doing the P'Jem mission would be different then a Caitian, right? But it's not.
Some of the new content is a little more situational, but for the most part it's always agnostic. It would just take too much time and effort to write the content for 2 dozen different species.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
There's a lot of rich storytelling to be told. Period. You'd think a Vulcan doing the P'Jem mission would be different then a Caitian, right? But it's not.
Some of the new content is a little more situational, but for the most part it's always agnostic. It would just take too much time and effort to write the content for 2 dozen different species.
Based on interviews of Kestrel, I don't think it would be too much time and effort for her at all - she seems to have lots of great ideas. The real issue is the other devs designing and coding those missions. And given that endgame content isn't even unique for factions, let alone species, I don't think Cryptic is going to put in that effort.
Based on interviews of Kestrel, I don't think it would be too much time and effort for her at all - she seems to have lots of great ideas. The real issue is the other devs designing and coding those missions. And given that endgame content isn't even unique for factions, let alone species, I don't think Cryptic is going to put in that effort.
I don't like to speculate on how much work something I've never done is. I have a feeling it's not as simple as one might like to believe - which would also mean coding every playable species into the game to be recognizable. Plus all the mission text changes would need to be vetted by CBS before they could be included.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I don't like to speculate on how much work something I've never done is. I have a feeling it's not as simple as one might like to believe - which would also mean coding every playable species into the game to be recognizable. Plus all the mission text changes would need to be vetted by CBS before they could be included.
I'm sure it's not as simple as we think, but it would be nice if, going forward, it was taken into account. If the effort was taken to specifically make a member of the KDF flagship note how his species wasn't all that into being the honor-bound glorious Klingon warriors that actual Klingons are, it makes me wonder why there isn't more of that. The Federation is more about being one big happy family (although the NPCs on Andoria do (did?) talk about Andorian culture and Ushaans) than the Klingons, so it makes more sense for the Klingons to have their own stories for individual species.
Additionally, given that Romulans and Remans have such completely different backstories before Hobus, it would make sense if their content has some differences or addressed issues of species too. Hopefully it does.
Contrast that with KDF where I don't get to choose.
That is the comparison I am making, it's the difference between freedom to do what you want and just clicking NEXT on predetermined dialogue.
And yes, I remember that line about the Orion doctor not caring about honor, it made me smile!
Although I agree that what we've seen during the Day of Honor is more immersive, but what are you talking about? What choice do we have as Feds? Do I get to choose if I want to slap Franklin Drake or listen to him? Do I get to choose between kiling Romulan doctors and aprehending Admiral Zelle in Divide et Impera?
I'm also going to leave this here:
My Starfleet Captain, a Vulcan science officer goes through the mission on P'Jem.
Undine Soketh: "Such emotion on your face! I can see now that my deception has been exposed."
Vulcan girl: *raises eyebrow* Emotion!?
an effort was made to make many parts of the game friendlier to cloaked ships! Yes, that?s right; we can now take steps to ensure that your First Officer doesn?t pull your ship out of cloak just to tell you that nothing can be found on the scanners. It?s a slow and involved process to make all the Klingon missions ?cloak friendly,? so give us some time. It?s one aspect of the game we will continue to improve upon in the future.
Best news I've heard in a long time!
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Great work on the KDF content, played some of it and when I first played the Romulan stuff I thought it couldn't get better until I played the KDF new missions. You have outdone yourself and I hope we continue each season to see new KDF content especially missions and costumes.
Although I agree that what we've seen during the Day of Honor is more immersive, but what are you talking about? What choice do we have as Feds? Do I get to choose if I want to slap Franklin Drake or listen to him? Do I get to choose between kiling Romulan doctors and aprehending Admiral Zelle in Divide et Impera?
I'm also going to leave this here:
My Starfleet Captain, a Vulcan science officer goes through the mission on P'Jem.
Undine Soketh: "Such emotion on your face! I can see now that my deception has been exposed."
Vulcan girl: *raises eyebrow* Emotion!?
Tell me about it, the Federation is so out of character, so gun-ho that it has turned a lot of my friends away as it often feels nothing like the Federation. They are after all going by the Path to 2409, controlled by the Undine. :P
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
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"Angry Klinks are happy Klinks"
You just made them less angry
Wouldn't worry. Dev blog = spoilers, simples
That said, I'd love to see some optional Reputation systems which force the player to make choices among some of the "sub-factions" found in the game. You could choose to support the Gorn rebellion, or quash it, and each rep system would have its own associated missions.
I'm used to fly cruisers, but my 2 favourite ships in STO now are BoPs:eek: and both are comming with LoR!
Also, hell yeah, Nausicaan pirates with Jackal Mastifs FTW!!
This expansion is going to be awesome!
Qapla' Cryptic! Thanks for bringing the KDF to it's rightfull place in STO as a full and unique faction!
Oddly, I don't have that experience while playing on the Starfleet side.
Diplomatic options can change the experience from I'm going to kill you now to Let's resolve this without violence.
You pick the response you like.
KDF get the choice of Aggressive or More Aggressive.
I learned that the hard way when trying to not kill the Tal Shiar who was willing to betray her boss.
Also, the Romulan sector mission where you negotiate with two opposing parties is all full of talk about how to crush the weak and be strong in the face of your enemies.
That's why KDF gameplay is so one-dimensional to me, there's no real choice in your options, you're just saying the same thing 3 different ways.
Oh, I'd choose to support the Gorn!
Anything that isn't the Klingon way is automatically the way I would go!
Cool idea, by the way.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
Ever play 'The Punisher' video game ? The fun was deciding weather to beat the bad guy senseless with a baseball bat or simply thro him out of a window with a grenade stuffed in his mouth.
Ohhh, the good times.....
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
The Romulan species is free for all to play.
The Romulan faction is free to play just as everything in the game.
The Legacy and starter packs are nice bundles of new Romulan ships, Reman species, Boffs and Doffs that we can get on preorder at a discounted price. You can play the Romulan faction for free, they have a line of free ships you obtain by leveling just like the KDF and the Federation.
I have the same problem... and while people may point to the Fed content as being the same way, it's not nearly as bad as in the KDF content when you use Klingon euphemisms as anything but a Klingon.
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
Starter and legacy packs should be thought of as more of discounted c-store ship bundles. Not purchasing these dose not prevent you playing the romulan faction. They are just the c-store shinnies
The thing is, there's a lot of rich storytelling that could be explored in species specific KDF content - and they actually addressed some of it in the Bortasqu' Day of Honor thing. The Orion crewmember says something along the lines if: "Honor? Who cares, I'm not a Klingon." Why isn't there more of this, but for the player?
What will your forum yellow name be I wonder.
Maybe, Positron-ic Matrix. :P
I get to choose.
Contrast that with KDF where I don't get to choose.
That is the comparison I am making, it's the difference between freedom to do what you want and just clicking NEXT on predetermined dialogue.
And yes, I remember that line about the Orion doctor not caring about honor, it made me smile!
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Some of the new content is a little more situational, but for the most part it's always agnostic. It would just take too much time and effort to write the content for 2 dozen different species.
It's definitely more noticable from a KDF perspective, but it's also true of the Starfleet captain.
You can help Section 31, or...help Section 31, and complain about it.
It's just not something that can be helped, without some pretty drastic overhauling of the structure of the game.
It's excellent.
I will buy both of the new ships.
You have expanded the KDF experience.
To this I say
maj
Based on interviews of Kestrel, I don't think it would be too much time and effort for her at all - she seems to have lots of great ideas. The real issue is the other devs designing and coding those missions. And given that endgame content isn't even unique for factions, let alone species, I don't think Cryptic is going to put in that effort.
I'm sure it's not as simple as we think, but it would be nice if, going forward, it was taken into account. If the effort was taken to specifically make a member of the KDF flagship note how his species wasn't all that into being the honor-bound glorious Klingon warriors that actual Klingons are, it makes me wonder why there isn't more of that. The Federation is more about being one big happy family (although the NPCs on Andoria do (did?) talk about Andorian culture and Ushaans) than the Klingons, so it makes more sense for the Klingons to have their own stories for individual species.
Additionally, given that Romulans and Remans have such completely different backstories before Hobus, it would make sense if their content has some differences or addressed issues of species too. Hopefully it does.
Although I agree that what we've seen during the Day of Honor is more immersive, but what are you talking about? What choice do we have as Feds? Do I get to choose if I want to slap Franklin Drake or listen to him? Do I get to choose between kiling Romulan doctors and aprehending Admiral Zelle in Divide et Impera?
I'm also going to leave this here:
My Starfleet Captain, a Vulcan science officer goes through the mission on P'Jem.
Undine Soketh: "Such emotion on your face! I can see now that my deception has been exposed."
Vulcan girl: *raises eyebrow* Emotion!?
So I can't list which ones have the options and which ones don't.
They're not very numerous though.
But every now and then, I'd run across one that said (Diplomatic) which would alter the outcome of a particular scenario.
But when I attempt to use Maruading to achieve the same thing, nothing changes.
That's why I feel so railroaded with the KDF, why bother giving an option that isn't an option?
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Best news I've heard in a long time!
The Armada
Original join date: Feb 5, 2010
Twitter: @davejl_99, & @STO_BBArmada
Tell me about it, the Federation is so out of character, so gun-ho that it has turned a lot of my friends away as it often feels nothing like the Federation. They are after all going by the Path to 2409, controlled by the Undine. :P