Well all i can say is, they where very busy back in the day. We might never know who made them Pyramids, but they did get around a lot. Now the next question in my mind is this. What else is under that ice?
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People yes, but what people is the question. From my understanding a lot of those sturtures were already there, when the Egyptian people moved into the area. The one example being the Sphinx, it was said to have the head of a loin, then carved into the head head years and years later. Plus the fact the whole area was rich and green at one time, but earth change made it as you see it now.
No. Just no. A vaguely trangular wedge of rock poking out of the ice near a mountain range doesn't automatically mean it was a man-made pyramid.
It's directly connected to a mountain range, too, and matches a common mountain type around large glaciers. There's more of them visible when he zooms out, too.
At least some of these videos seem to try, but lately most of them have just been phoning it in. "Giant rotating translucent alien worm flying in the sky over Mars like a tornado! What else is NASA hiding?" (yes, that's a real video, and yes, he's serious).
No. Just no. A vaguely trangular wedge of rock poking out of the ice near a mountain range doesn't automatically mean it was a man-made pyramid.
As to where the Egyptian pyramids came from? They were built. By people.
Forgive the lack of details because it has been a while since I saw this but.... a pyramid was found and inside was empty chambers, shafts leading to the chambers, and a residue lining the walls of the chambers unknown. By the way, I think they had to send a robot in through a shaft. It was either that or a baby.
Forgive the lack of details because it has been a while since I saw this but.... a pyramid was found and inside was empty chambers, shafts leading to the chambers, and a residue lining the walls of the chambers unknown. By the way, I think they had to send a robot in through a shaft. It was either that or a baby.
You're thinking of the actual pyramids in Egypt, whose sealed chambers have been explored by robots inserted through shafts extending through the pyramids from interior chambers to or close to the outer surface. Though the residue was eventually identified, it appears to have originally been a vegetable based paint, but what's left now is more of a cocktail of dead fungus that grew on it as it decayed.
People yes, but what people is the question. From my understanding a lot of those sturtures were already there, when the Egyptian people moved into the area. The one example being the Sphinx, it was said to have the head of a loin, then carved into the head head years and years later. Plus the fact the whole area was rich and green at one time, but earth change made it as you see it now.
The notion that the Sphinx is very old is based entirely on the work of Robert M. Soch, who is credible, though his proposition is controversial. None of other structures in the area show a similar weathering pattern, though, so the age of the sphinx doesn't necessarily reflect the age of anything else on the site.
Most of the explanations of aliens or ancient, high-tech civilizations as the builders of ancient megalithic sites are built on new age or spiritualist fantasies. I'm not intending insult here, I'm stating plainly that the new age and early 20th Century spirtualist movements are where many of those claims originated. Von Daniken's mind-boggling disingenuity didn't help. His entire argument is basically "I don't understand how or why people could have done, that, so it must be aliens!" It is the equivalent of positing that the existence of potatoes is evidence of a potato fairy.
That is not to say that a high civilization 10k years old is impossible, but there isn't much evidence to support it. If such a civilization DID exist, I'd expect most of their artifacts to be under water by now any way.
What I am annoyed by is this guy's assumption that a large, vaguely triangular hunk of rock near a mountain range MUST be a pyramid because he followed a longitudinal line south until he found something that might be a pyramid of you squint, ignore the mountain range it's attached to, and operate under the assumption that the entire world is arranged specifically to hide the truth from wiley internet knowledge-warriors.
The Egyptian builders of the pyramids are reasonably well documented. We know the names of their work teams, their diet, etc. They left plenty of graffiti inside the pyramids they built, hidden in areas that were unreachable until modern times.
More importantly, the Egyptians built a bunch of pyramids and we can trace the entire evolution of their building techniques. No aliens here - we can see where they learned from past mistakes.
Although pyramids exist in various cultures, they were built using completely different methods, and over a huge range of time. The Egyptian ones were as ancient to the Romans as they are to us, whereas those in Mexico were built in up to shortly before the Spaniards landed.
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The Egyptian builders of the pyramids are reasonably well documented. We know the names of their work teams, their diet, etc. They left plenty of graffiti inside the pyramids they built, hidden in areas that were unreachable until modern times.
More importantly, the Egyptians built a bunch of pyramids and we can trace the entire evolution of their building techniques. No aliens here - we can see where they learned from past mistakes.
I always thought the most impressive and least believable part is that some of the contracts survived long enough to be recorded by outside historians, and were surprisingly generous - if a laborer survived construction, they could very well be set for life. They weren't built by state sponsored slave labor, but by a stone cutting industry with competitive bidding and something akin to labor unions, where routine work included oblisks, housing, and repairs, and pyramids were akin to skyscrapers, the sort of work an architect dreamed his whole life of just having the chance to bid on, let alone build, and would be a crowning career achievement.
Egypt is far from the only ancient civilization to have industries like that, but most eventually either scaled back or turned to slave labor as it became too expensive to sustain. Egypt did the opposite, moving away from slave labor as their building scale increased.
As to where the Egyptian pyramids came from? They were built. By people.
Ah yes but how did they build them?
Oh right...
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You're thinking of the actual pyramids in Egypt, whose sealed chambers have been explored by robots inserted through shafts extending through the pyramids from interior chambers to or close to the outer surface. Though the residue was eventually identified, it appears to have originally been a vegetable based paint, but what's left now is more of a cocktail of dead fungus that grew on it as it decayed.
Someone painted the shafts. This isn't mind-boggling.
Why? I don't know. If Houdin's internal ramp theory has any merit, folks may have painted them simply to help keep track of which floor you were on as you hauled the smaller blocks up. We can't see any patterning or anything, so more than that is hard to say.
EDIT: Also, what Hevach says below is totally reasonable.
Explain what? The residue? Yeah, we've known for centuries that the pyramids were painted - some of the interior paint has survived, and Greek and Roman accounts describe the outsides as being brightly painted with white plaster and adorned with symbols and inscriptions (the paint is weathered away, but the exterior surface remains over the structural blocks in some places, particularly around the peak of the Great Pyramid of Giza, which is high enough to escape the sand blasting that ruined most of the other pyramids). Paints made with minerals and metals are a much more recent invention, nearly all paints at the time were made from plant matter, which meant that depending on the circumstances they would decay or fall prey to fungus or insects.
When that happens, any trace of the paint or fungus usually rots away entirely over the years, so the effect had only been observed a handful of times and wasn't well studied.
we best assemble a crack team of nausicans at once
LOL damn, Solivax beat me too it.
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I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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You know they would classify that thing the SECOND they found it. We will never know until the Stargate Program goes public.
Although... I heard there is a "Broom Closet" in Cheyenne Mountain labled "Stargate Command".
It's just a cover for where they're building Skynet.
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Lol, that was my first thought too.
Seriously, though, this is interesting. I would love to know where they came from.
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As to where the Egyptian pyramids came from? They were built. By people.
As docking ports for the starships of their snake-y parasitic overlords. The stuff in Antarctica is from civilizations older than that.
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It's directly connected to a mountain range, too, and matches a common mountain type around large glaciers. There's more of them visible when he zooms out, too.
At least some of these videos seem to try, but lately most of them have just been phoning it in. "Giant rotating translucent alien worm flying in the sky over Mars like a tornado! What else is NASA hiding?" (yes, that's a real video, and yes, he's serious).
Forgive the lack of details because it has been a while since I saw this but.... a pyramid was found and inside was empty chambers, shafts leading to the chambers, and a residue lining the walls of the chambers unknown. By the way, I think they had to send a robot in through a shaft. It was either that or a baby.
You're thinking of the actual pyramids in Egypt, whose sealed chambers have been explored by robots inserted through shafts extending through the pyramids from interior chambers to or close to the outer surface. Though the residue was eventually identified, it appears to have originally been a vegetable based paint, but what's left now is more of a cocktail of dead fungus that grew on it as it decayed.
The notion that the Sphinx is very old is based entirely on the work of Robert M. Soch, who is credible, though his proposition is controversial. None of other structures in the area show a similar weathering pattern, though, so the age of the sphinx doesn't necessarily reflect the age of anything else on the site.
Most of the explanations of aliens or ancient, high-tech civilizations as the builders of ancient megalithic sites are built on new age or spiritualist fantasies. I'm not intending insult here, I'm stating plainly that the new age and early 20th Century spirtualist movements are where many of those claims originated. Von Daniken's mind-boggling disingenuity didn't help. His entire argument is basically "I don't understand how or why people could have done, that, so it must be aliens!" It is the equivalent of positing that the existence of potatoes is evidence of a potato fairy.
That is not to say that a high civilization 10k years old is impossible, but there isn't much evidence to support it. If such a civilization DID exist, I'd expect most of their artifacts to be under water by now any way.
What I am annoyed by is this guy's assumption that a large, vaguely triangular hunk of rock near a mountain range MUST be a pyramid because he followed a longitudinal line south until he found something that might be a pyramid of you squint, ignore the mountain range it's attached to, and operate under the assumption that the entire world is arranged specifically to hide the truth from wiley internet knowledge-warriors.
More importantly, the Egyptians built a bunch of pyramids and we can trace the entire evolution of their building techniques. No aliens here - we can see where they learned from past mistakes.
Although pyramids exist in various cultures, they were built using completely different methods, and over a huge range of time. The Egyptian ones were as ancient to the Romans as they are to us, whereas those in Mexico were built in up to shortly before the Spaniards landed.
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of course we may actually BE aliens
Well. You might not be. :F
I always thought the most impressive and least believable part is that some of the contracts survived long enough to be recorded by outside historians, and were surprisingly generous - if a laborer survived construction, they could very well be set for life. They weren't built by state sponsored slave labor, but by a stone cutting industry with competitive bidding and something akin to labor unions, where routine work included oblisks, housing, and repairs, and pyramids were akin to skyscrapers, the sort of work an architect dreamed his whole life of just having the chance to bid on, let alone build, and would be a crowning career achievement.
Egypt is far from the only ancient civilization to have industries like that, but most eventually either scaled back or turned to slave labor as it became too expensive to sustain. Egypt did the opposite, moving away from slave labor as their building scale increased.
Ah yes but how did they build them?
Oh right...
Can you explain that? Guess at the least?
Here is my guess:
Someone painted the shafts. This isn't mind-boggling.
Why? I don't know. If Houdin's internal ramp theory has any merit, folks may have painted them simply to help keep track of which floor you were on as you hauled the smaller blocks up. We can't see any patterning or anything, so more than that is hard to say.
EDIT: Also, what Hevach says below is totally reasonable.
Explain what? The residue? Yeah, we've known for centuries that the pyramids were painted - some of the interior paint has survived, and Greek and Roman accounts describe the outsides as being brightly painted with white plaster and adorned with symbols and inscriptions (the paint is weathered away, but the exterior surface remains over the structural blocks in some places, particularly around the peak of the Great Pyramid of Giza, which is high enough to escape the sand blasting that ruined most of the other pyramids). Paints made with minerals and metals are a much more recent invention, nearly all paints at the time were made from plant matter, which meant that depending on the circumstances they would decay or fall prey to fungus or insects.
When that happens, any trace of the paint or fungus usually rots away entirely over the years, so the effect had only been observed a handful of times and wasn't well studied.
EDIT: LOL damn, Solivax beat me too it.
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sounds a bit like "The mountains of madness" by Lovecraft.
we are doomed.
Just give in to the madness, man. It's easier that way.
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Although... I heard there is a "Broom Closet" in Cheyenne Mountain labled "Stargate Command".
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It's just a cover for where they're building Skynet.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon