Ok the Guardian Warbird (Romulan Sci ship) seems to me as the most pointless ship here.
Before you start to say, now the sci ppl got there sci ship, let me explain why.
First of all, the bonus for coming out of cloak, is way less effective for sci ships. In order to have at least half working sci skills you need a decent amount of aux power, which means you can?t spend that much into weapon or shields or anything anymore. With the -10 to each Subsystem this is even harder on Warbird.
So basically you got a ship with less firepower, and a bunch of more or less usefull Boff skills.
PvE wise you will take longer then in the other Warbirds to kill stuff. In PvP it still has to be tested how effective it is, but i don`t expect much, cause of the general drawbacks. It will do less dmg then a Fed or a KDF sci ship, and using it as a torp boat to be able to maintain high aux i dunno, i guess most will agree that the T`liss Retrofit with the battlecloak suits better for that.
Ok, the survivability might be good if you stay in cloak most the time, but while you do that, the other team has 1 ship less they have to take care about not to mention that your singularity core won?t charge.
Only use it might have is a healboat, which stays cloaked most the time until it needs to throw a heal, but then again, the other team has an advantage in numbers as log as you stay cloaked.
And i dunno why, but i kinda have the feeling that the change of the boff layouts also has something to do with certain new lockbox ships to boost the sale of keys again.
Basically a patch that made most of the romulan ships less atractive in terms of boff layout.
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Wow, lots of changes and fixes, thx alot devs, cant w8 to go test stuff.
But i am also really disaponted about the mogai ship line changes
I dont get it why this was changed, i didnt saw any complains or requests for this.
Even if the new boff and console set up gives more survability, i would've prefered more versatility from the previous set up.
I was planning a sci captain, the only one i havent tried yet, with a full romulan themed ship: fleet mogai packed with both retrofit and refit consoles alongside with romulan weapons boosted by 3 -threat plasma infused consoles, romulan singularity harness set (torp and console) and romulan space set, but now this is completly ruined
I usually try to avoid saying stuff like this but: WHAT THE ****?
What's up with the shakeup with science seats? First of all, we had ONE ship with a Commander Science boff, now we have zero. That is unacceptable. We need to have at least one, preferable more whips that can use top level science abilities so that all of the playstyles can be properly represented.
Beyond that, an emphasis on science seems to fit Romulans quite a bit, so trading a lot of science stations for engineering stations doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Also, why are you swapping the Mogai/Valdore seating with the Dhealan?
I usually try to avoid saying stuff like this but: WHAT THE ****?
What's up with the shakeup with science seats? First of all, we had ONE ship with a Commander Science boff, now we have zero. That is unacceptable. We need to have at least one, preferable more whips that can use top level science abilities so that all of the playstyles can be properly represented.
Beyond that, an emphasis on science seems to fit Romulans quite a bit, so trading a lot of science stations for engineering stations doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Also, why are you swapping the Mogai/Valdore seating with the Dhealan?
As already stated in another thread there is a Romulan sci ship now with a Cmdr sci slot.
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I need to view it in a different format than what they gave in the notes. Here's what currently shows in the ship vendor:
SA T5 Ha'nom Guardian Warbird X, X X X, X X, X, X, X X, X, X
Consoles 3, 2, 4
Weapons 3/3
Hull 30000
Shield Mod 1.3
Crew 1500
Turn 10
Devices 3
+15 Aux
Can load cannons
Sensor Analysis
Subsystem Targeting
There is a Fleet Version of it also.
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As already stated in another thread there is a Romulan sci ship now with a Cmdr sci slot.
There is a Fleet Version of it also.
Well gee how nice of them to keep us properly informed /sarcasm
Actually getting a true science vessel is nice , but I still don't think most of these changes were for the better, and I can't help but feel the changes seem rather random and that they ignore player feedback entirely (as pointed out elsewhere, they didn't do much to the D'Deridex which much has been said about whole other ships that were fine are getting completely redone with little explanation)
So what's up with the haakona's subships having such vastly different stats anyways?
Also, I think with the haakona having a more engineering focus, it overlaps too much with the D'deridex.
-> lots of ship changes NONE for (Fleet) D'Deridex ... COME ON!
After all the heated *Feedback* about the D'Deridex this is the one that stays untouched? ....why u hate D'Deridex? (seriously the only Ship with 2 Tac consoles is the Dehlan and that is a Tier 2(?) Ship...)
imho the old Mogai layout would be just fine for the D'Deridex (minus the turnrate of course)
but thats just like my opinion.
oh and LOVE the changes to the Mogai, changing it from SCI to ENG heavy TAC layout is perfectly canon
D'Deridex isn't. D'Deridex needs a more SCI-ish layout (to be able to do what we've seen it do on-screen and as NPC ship!) and a lot better PEW, also the turnrate, i don't know, the Ship may look huge but it is empty on the inside so it has not as much Mass as it might look like from it's pure size.
Well, I was hesitenant whenever I would buy the Mogai Refit ... the fleet version and its useless science console slots were kind of good only for universal consoles.
Hybrid science escort with -40 power loss? No thanks! Bad idea, you cant maintain a high Aux, weapons, and shield power.
But now its a patrol escort, I'm going to buy the valdore pack, the Mogai Refit, and get a discout on all the (at least 3) fleet Valdore-style Mogais I'm going to have and blast elite stf borgs into little pieces with!
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Cool updates on most ships. I hope you tweaked the stats of the Fleet T'Varo Raider too, so that it's not super tanky anymore.
I'm a bit sad for the mogai but you want to sell Romulan temporal destroyers. Okay, but don't take your time please, i like having a gravity well on my escorts.
Well gee how nice of them to keep us properly informed /sarcasm
Actually getting a true science vessel is nice , but I still don't think most of these changes were for the better, and I can't help but feel the changes seem rather random and that they ignore player feedback entirely (as pointed out elsewhere, they didn't do much to the D'Deridex which much has been said about whole other ships that were fine are getting completely redone with little explanation)
Did you expect an improvement in the first place? As far as the last changes were so far, i am already glad if it isn`t as bad as i expected it would be....
My 'Bug Report':
Lighting is messed up with the non-ui screenshot, might have something to do with the failed shader warning.
I cleared the shader cache and it still errored. Also changed graphics settings to maximum and minimum didn't help. Holodeck is working fine, and I am pretty sure it happens on dx9 and it definatly does on dx11.
Also look at the hanger on the UI screenshot and if you have time can you please fix the analysing on the arrow buttons on the left of the ground power tray.
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Before you start to say, now the sci ppl got there sci ship, let me explain why.
First of all, the bonus for coming out of cloak, is way less effective for sci ships. In order to have at least half working sci skills you need a decent amount of aux power, which means you can?t spend that much into weapon or shields or anything anymore. With the -10 to each Subsystem this is even harder on Warbird.
So basically you got a ship with less firepower, and a bunch of more or less usefull Boff skills.
PvE wise you will take longer then in the other Warbirds to kill stuff. In PvP it still has to be tested how effective it is, but i don`t expect much, cause of the general drawbacks. It will do less dmg then a Fed or a KDF sci ship, and using it as a torp boat to be able to maintain high aux i dunno, i guess most will agree that the T`liss Retrofit with the battlecloak suits better for that.
Ok, the survivability might be good if you stay in cloak most the time, but while you do that, the other team has 1 ship less they have to take care about not to mention that your singularity core won?t charge.
Only use it might have is a healboat, which stays cloaked most the time until it needs to throw a heal, but then again, the other team has an advantage in numbers as log as you stay cloaked.
And i dunno why, but i kinda have the feeling that the change of the boff layouts also has something to do with certain new lockbox ships to boost the sale of keys again.
Basically a patch that made most of the romulan ships less atractive in terms of boff layout.
U.S.S. Helios -Vesta Class / R.R.W. Dark Science - Dyson Surveillance Science Destroyer
U.S.S. Donut - Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit
TheWiseGuys
But i am also really disaponted about the mogai ship line changes
I dont get it why this was changed, i didnt saw any complains or requests for this.
Even if the new boff and console set up gives more survability, i would've prefered more versatility from the previous set up.
I was planning a sci captain, the only one i havent tried yet, with a full romulan themed ship: fleet mogai packed with both retrofit and refit consoles alongside with romulan weapons boosted by 3 -threat plasma infused consoles, romulan singularity harness set (torp and console) and romulan space set, but now this is completly ruined
What's up with the shakeup with science seats? First of all, we had ONE ship with a Commander Science boff, now we have zero. That is unacceptable. We need to have at least one, preferable more whips that can use top level science abilities so that all of the playstyles can be properly represented.
Beyond that, an emphasis on science seems to fit Romulans quite a bit, so trading a lot of science stations for engineering stations doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Also, why are you swapping the Mogai/Valdore seating with the Dhealan?
As already stated in another thread there is a Romulan sci ship now with a Cmdr sci slot.
There is a Fleet Version of it also.
U.S.S. Helios -Vesta Class / R.R.W. Dark Science - Dyson Surveillance Science Destroyer
U.S.S. Donut - Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit
TheWiseGuys
Feedback might have been heard, but it was soundly ignored as usual and the virtual finger has been shown to player feedback.
Well gee how nice of them to keep us properly informed /sarcasm
Actually getting a true science vessel is nice , but I still don't think most of these changes were for the better, and I can't help but feel the changes seem rather random and that they ignore player feedback entirely (as pointed out elsewhere, they didn't do much to the D'Deridex which much has been said about whole other ships that were fine are getting completely redone with little explanation)
the what? i know they are primarily the dump slot but still confusion
Also, I think with the haakona having a more engineering focus, it overlaps too much with the D'deridex.
uhm how ? Hair Tech 2.0?
-> lots of ship changes NONE for (Fleet) D'Deridex ... COME ON!
After all the heated *Feedback* about the D'Deridex this is the one that stays untouched? ....why u hate D'Deridex? (seriously the only Ship with 2 Tac consoles is the Dehlan and that is a Tier 2(?) Ship...)
imho the old Mogai layout would be just fine for the D'Deridex (minus the turnrate of course)
but thats just like my opinion.
oh and LOVE the changes to the Mogai, changing it from SCI to ENG heavy TAC layout is perfectly canon
D'Deridex isn't. D'Deridex needs a more SCI-ish layout (to be able to do what we've seen it do on-screen and as NPC ship!) and a lot better PEW, also the turnrate, i don't know, the Ship may look huge but it is empty on the inside so it has not as much Mass as it might look like from it's pure size.
Hybrid science escort with -40 power loss? No thanks! Bad idea, you cant maintain a high Aux, weapons, and shield power.
But now its a patrol escort, I'm going to buy the valdore pack, the Mogai Refit, and get a discout on all the (at least 3) fleet Valdore-style Mogais I'm going to have and blast elite stf borgs into little pieces with!
I thought those jumbo Romulan mollusks were a bit off >.<
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I'm a bit sad for the mogai but you want to sell Romulan temporal destroyers. Okay, but don't take your time please, i like having a gravity well on my escorts.
AWESOME! /10char
Did you expect an improvement in the first place? As far as the last changes were so far, i am already glad if it isn`t as bad as i expected it would be....
it has 4 sci consoles.
U.S.S. Helios -Vesta Class / R.R.W. Dark Science - Dyson Surveillance Science Destroyer
U.S.S. Donut - Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit
TheWiseGuys
Lighting is messed up with the non-ui screenshot, might have something to do with the failed shader warning.
I cleared the shader cache and it still errored. Also changed graphics settings to maximum and minimum didn't help. Holodeck is working fine, and I am pretty sure it happens on dx9 and it definatly does on dx11.
Also look at the hanger on the UI screenshot and if you have time can you please fix the analysing on the arrow buttons on the left of the ground power tray.
I included all the log files and shader files
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Edit: dx9 is also affected
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