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lowqfah
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Well, I just finished another very painful 20 man Fleet defense, due to the fact that two of the five people on my sub-team were flying some sweet Miranda Lt. Cruisers. these level 4s were using the sweet stock phasers and one had even upgraded to mines!
Suffice it to say they did virtually nothing to help in the mission, which would be fine except that when a purple Mk XI console dropped they both needed on it.
I would suggest that as people don't seem to be able to display even the least common decency, a lower level cap of 11 needs to be introduced to the Fleet actions. I used to see this infequently, but now I am seeing it more and more often.
I did luckily pick up a green Phaser Beam Array Mk II. Due to the fact that I hit greed by mistake, but both the level 4s passed as I suppose Mk II weaponry is beneath them.
Suffice it to say they did virtually nothing to help in the mission, which would be fine except that when a purple Mk XI console dropped they both needed on it.
I would suggest that as people don't seem to be able to display even the least common decency, a lower level cap of 11 needs to be introduced to the Fleet actions. I used to see this infequently, but now I am seeing it more and more often.
I did luckily pick up a green Phaser Beam Array Mk II. Due to the fact that I hit greed by mistake, but both the level 4s passed as I suppose Mk II weaponry is beneath them.
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I've had it with AFK'ers and outdated klunkers. The other night I actually warped out of a five player fleet action because it started with one player as a miranda and another in a constellation.
They should either ban any TIER III or lower ship from these and anyone under the rank of Captain. Or, they should have standard level (for Captains and below); advanced (for admirals with top tier ships) and of course Elite (for those with the best of the best).
Fleet: 1st Order of Role-Players' Guild - gaming together since 2004
The Constellation isn't a playable ship in this game.
Do you mean the Cheyenne? If so, there's a fleet version of it.
Anyways, @lowqfah, are you really just upset at the loot drops? That's silly. You can go get better drops from a bunch of content that those same toons can't access. Like an eSTF. Or just do patrol missions or farm foundry missions.
I understand trying to set an example. What follows afterwards is not griping about it on the forums though. Sadly there is no time for typed communication in STF's anymore to explain what you are trying to do to the new people you are playing with at the moment.
Yes the leechers ruin the mission your in and there is no escaping their effect atm.
Yes lowbies should not be allowed to roll over their ship tier while STO is mixing levels to keep everyone playing and not waiting in this top heavy game.
But : If a lowbie is playing and trying, that is the system as intended so far. Everyone gets a shot to get the loot to sell to the vendor or whatever they want to do with it.
Yes, that is true I have also seen that. I once saw a guy fly his shuttle in, which is the ultimate statement of, "I just plan on leaching, have at it."
No, its not about the loot drops. Yes, I can get better and I have no issue with a contributing member needing on everything, but when you fly a Miranda in, you are by defenition, not helping, and taking a slot from soneone who could help.
this is how i lvl new toons in fleet actions and mirror. i never lvl any toons in episodes anymore played them so much id rather grind my way up to lvl 50.
as for pulling my weight. i get scalled up in lvl and do alright dmg.
Well, glad to see a voice for the opposing side, let me sum up the opinion, "I hope Cryptic doesn't eliminate my leaching because I like to leach."
Makes sense.
(you can't queue until level 5)
Second the "need" is often merely a desperate attempt to clear the screen
and Third the worst leeches tend to be VA ranks who stand or float around doing nothing
How do you join a level higher than yourself?
I don't remember all the nooks and crannies of the game play systems any more (2009 beta, mild 2010 early player).
Granted that the VA's can leach too. Many other MMOs have a function to kick AFK players from team matches. Why not this one?
The Fleet matches now autoscale people from lower to higher levels so all levels can be in a match; however, a Miranda may do level 50 damage when scaled, but they are doing level 50 damage with a single forward beam/cannon, while a Tier 5 Cruiser is using 4 fore facing weapons.
I see, thanks for the clarification.
no to a level cap, if you dont like it stay out of it otherwise put up and get on with it.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
The problem is that even scaled up a Miranda or lower level ship has nowhere near the base modifiers and weapon/console slots nor the Captain enough skill points or abilities to be able to handle the challenges being presented which are designed to be tough on LvL 50 tier 5 ships...
So there should be a hard cap to these things OR they should make lower level and less challenging versions for each of the major ranks so that if you sign up in a Miranda as a Lt. then you can group together with a lot of other Lt.s and fight Lt. level threats in the mission.
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
If it's not about the loot drops why mention that aspect at all? Also, since the event scales each person up, as long as they're participating, they are helping. A level scaled Miranda > a VA in a Bug Ship just sitting there doing nada.
They're not leeching just because they're in a different level band.
AFKers are a totally different story. But you didn't start this to talk about AFKers.
But wait ...
If what you say is true how did deaftravis come in second place?
SPACE MADNESS!
hold on why am i leaching i get lvl boosted in the event and play like everyone else. sure lower lvl ships have less abilities but i play just like everyone else in the match. hell i bet i could out perform u.
If anything is to be done it should be to make lower level character stronger for the missions. Maybe have some NPC ships escort them for the mission with the NPC ships flying in formation with them and targeting the same targets. I don't know what would be the best thing to do but I know limiting them in their ability to join the missions is not the answer.
The Problem is you are talking about two different things.
Just because a low level player is in a Fleet Action, does not by definition make him a leech. Yes, chances are a Miranda isn't going to do the damage a Sovereign will, but if he is out there giving it his all, he has a right to be there.
The problem you have is AFKers. That is people who queue up for events and do NOTHING. Yes, it is a problem, and there should be a system in place to stop them, what that is I do not know, but condemning lowbies, just because they are at a low level and not max level comes off somewhat elitist.
There really needs to be some sort of level splitting to prevent these light cruisers from getting fed into the level 50 wood chipper while causing the mission to fail in the process.
If you get one you can usually carry him to victory, though who knows how much fun he's having provided he's not just leaching on purpose. If you get 2 or more though it's mission auto fail 90% of the time.
Low level players should definitely get the chance to play these missions to help them level and get fleet marks, it just needs to be broken up into level tiers somehow.
I saw a Centaur at lt(6) call in three full size cruisers as back up this morning
one operational asset and all of a sudden he was more valuable than any two VA escorts
My Fed is level 50, but I'm still learning the ins and outs of the game--especially elite STFs. I enjoy playing them, but always find myself in runs with 'experts' who expect me to be just as good as them. And because there's so little time to chat during a run, I have no recourse to explain myself (though I suppose I could say "newb here" during the briefing, even that turns people off).
I recently played Conduit Elite and got chewed out (accused of not speaking English) because I made a small mistake. Granted, I made the mistake, but I'm not here to get yelled at. In the end, it doesn't bother me--I'll likely never run into the same players again, and I know my fleet mates are a lot more accepting.
On the other hand, I played a normal version of Manus, and got locked behind a force field when I re-spawned because I didn't realize I shouldn't have. So I looked like I was sitting on my hands for most of the mission. I deliberately passed up on the rewards, but I'm sure I looked like a leech--when really it's just inexperience.
My point is that sometimes these leechers are just people trying to get into the game--don't paint them all with one brush--and that part of the issue is people expecting everyone to be just as good as they are.
No offense meant to the OP of course, just stating my opinion.
It's there and it's T1
"...just look at my track record for making the improvements that I said we would with the KDF and judge by that." - Dan Stahl
I think you need to look for yourself. The Constellation is not a playable ship in this game.
The Constellation class included ships like the U.S.S. Stargazer that Picard was captain of prior to the Enterprise-D.
It is not the Constitution class ship. It also is not the Cheyenne or Stargazer CLASS of ship. Though those are reminiscent of the Constellation.
This is because of a negative experience in a 5 player.
I am working on the Borg Siege Killer accolade.
The Borg engagements are very rare.
So an underlevelled character shows up to a Borg engagement and costs me my Siege Cube kill.
That's when my tolerance went out the airlock.
If you're bringing an underlevelled ship to an engagement, odds are, you're a hindrance, not a help, since you're taking a slot that could be filled by a RA or VA level ship.
So, I'd prefer a level gate that cuts off players who are below RA.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Between Federation and Empire and SFB I really thought the 1st 1701 was a Constellation Class.
My bad.
And I know SFB is not Cannon....
But both SFB and FnE made for a great tabletop game, to me at least.
"...just look at my track record for making the improvements that I said we would with the KDF and judge by that." - Dan Stahl