The Gorn; Misunderstood

ironmako · February 2013

Like many others, i really like the Gorn. They are a completely barbaric crazy race, even when your involved in dialogue, they always take the attitude "I cant hear what your saying over the sound of how awesome I am!"

So why are the only available playable ships just science and support vessels? I they they deserve much more of an accolade!

I found this video on youtube which shows the sort of vessels which could be made into playable ships, and could help the Gorn to become more revered, instead of being the butt of many jokes, the poor Gorny Gorns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLDPBUEUEms

If you had the chance, would you choose a Gorn Dreadnought? I would!

lincolninspace · February 2013

Very cool ships!

momaw · February 2013

Just becausse we are large and sslow doess not mean we are barbarianss. :mad:

ironmako · February 2013

momaw wrote: »

Just becausse we are large and sslow doess not mean we are barbarianss. :mad:

Well you don't look like your average comet surveyor either!

mandoknight89 · February 2013

momaw wrote: »

Just becausse we are large and sslow doess not mean we are barbarianss. :mad:

You don't build warp drives if you're uncivilized savages, after all.

legendarylycan · February 2013

momaw wrote: »

Just becausse we are large and sslow doess not mean we are barbarianss. :mad:

he could've been referring to the lack of dress when he said barbaric; i have yet to see a modestly-dressed barbarian, in fact

momaw · February 2013

shadowfang240 wrote: »

he could've been referring to the lack of dress

Wearing clothing over hide can make the sscaless itch or lead to infection.

Thosse working in a professsional capacssity meet your ssoft mandate for modessty.

http://momaw.kikaimegami.com/sto-gornscience.jpg

legendarylycan · February 2013

momaw wrote: »

Thosse working in a professsional capacssity meet your ssoft mandate for modessty.

my idea of modest is just enough to adequately cover a being's groin; what you showed, i would consider prudishly overdressed :P

bitemepwe · February 2013

I like the idea. The Gorn need more ships. At the time of Kirk the Gorn technology was considered superior to the humans. Why is that not at least portrayed ingame instead of the sad copy/paste job that was used to make the existing ships?

legendarylycan · February 2013

bitemepwe wrote: »

I like the idea. The Gorn need more ships. At the time of Kirk the Gorn technology was considered superior to the humans. Why is that not at least portrayed ingame instead of the sad copy/paste job that was used to make the existing ships?

it's been a good 150 years since 'Arena'; maybe starfleet's R&D surpassed the gorn's a while back?

EDIT: not that it really matters either way, because the vessels in STO are portrayed as science ships, yet somehow the gorn don't strike me as the sciency type; i remember gorn ships from games like klingon academy and starfleet command - slow, lumbering, heavily armored beasts armed to the teeth with disruptors and plasma torpedos

crypticarmsman · February 2013

bitemepwe wrote: »

I like the idea. The Gorn need more ships. At the time of Kirk the Gorn technology was considered superior to the humans. Why is that not at least portrayed ingame instead of the sad copy/paste job that was used to make the existing ships?

Actually, if you go by the TOS episode Arena (which was the only TOS episode featuring gthe Gorn) both ships seemed rather evenly matched and at about the same tech level (Yes, the NCC_1701 was able to overtake the Gorn ship by going to Warp 8 -- but that was an extreme risk to take and was done over the objection of both the First officer and Chief Engineer.)

Had the Metrons not interfered - it was very up in the air as to which ship would have been victorious had the vessels really traded fire.

momaw · February 2013

bitemepwe wrote: »

I like the idea. The Gorn need more ships. At the time of Kirk the Gorn technology was considered superior to the humans. Why is that not at least portrayed ingame instead of the sad copy/paste job that was used to make the existing ships?

It's not so much the Gorn that need new ships, it's the KDF needs a science ship with the power and flexibility of the Vesta. The fleet-upgraded Varanus is kind of a disappointment.

sander233 · February 2013

ironmako wrote: »

If you had the chance, would you choose a Gorn Dreadnought? I would!

Yech.. Looks like a cross between an Imperial Star Destroyer and an ocean liner.

I'll keep my Bortasqu', thanks.

Say what you will about the Klingons, they build some wicked-looking ships.

sander233 · February 2013

momaw wrote: »

Just becausse we are large and sslow doess not mean we are barbarianss. :mad:

Slow? Speak for yourself, brother. During the winter event I was the fastest thing on ice, and I've got the titles to prove it. You never seen a cold-blooded creature move so fast.

Large, yes.

Barbaric, definitely yes.

Barbarians? Depends on your definition.

sander233 · February 2013

shadowfang240 wrote: »

it's been a good 150 years since 'Arena'; maybe starfleet's R&D surpassed the gorn's a while back?

EDIT: not that it really matters either way, because the vessels in STO are portrayed as science ships, yet somehow the gorn don't strike me as the sciency type; i remember gorn ships from games like klingon academy and starfleet command - slow, lumbering, heavily armored beasts armed to the teeth with disruptors and plasma torpedos

When you live for up to 500 years or so you gotta find something to do with all your free time. Might as well figure out how the universe works.

legendarylycan · February 2013

sander233 wrote: »

Slow? Speak for yourself, brother. During the winter event I was the fastest thing on ice, and I've got the titles to prove it. You never seen a cold-blooded creature move so fast.

yeah, i gave 2 of my 4 purchased winter jackets to my gorn, because i figured they could really use them, both being shirtless

sander233 wrote: »

When you live for up to 500 years or so you gotta find something to do with all your free time. Might as well figure out how the universe works.

i don't know, they seem more interested in conquering their little corner of it than finding out how it works

lordgyor · February 2013

According to the STO novel, Gorn have different castes that act like subspecies I guess, some of which are more tech savvy and dexterious. The big lumbering Gorn don't build thier ships, the more dexterious techie Gorn do.

Also take into account that the best offense ships were probably destroyed in the war with the Klingons, leaving lesser ones and support ships mostly.

As for Gorn being more advanced, they also controlled alot more space, like the Orions they went through a long period of decline, before being absorbed by the empire.

The Orions had a very advanced and very old civilization as I understand it. How they went from being scientificly advanced and powerful to Pirates, crime lords, and genetically altered spies/sex slaves is a mystery on par with why the ancient Mayans abandoned thier cities.

What cause the Gorn Hemegony to shrink in territory is unknown.

legendarylycan · February 2013

lordgyor wrote: »

Also take into account that the best offense ships were probably destroyed in the war with the Klingons, leaving lesser ones and support ships mostly.

the klingon-gorn war ended in 2404; you'd think 5 years would be more than enough time to rebuild at least part of their war machine

sander233 · February 2013

shadowfang240 wrote: »

the klingon-gorn war ended in 2404; you'd think 5 years would be more than enough time to rebuild at least part of their war machine

Why bother, when the Klinks are giving us their ships to play with?

The way I see it, we contribute our science vessels to the KDF fleet, because the KDF had none. But they have plenty of battlecruisers, so why bother contributing our obsolete Zilant battleships when the Klinks already proved that their Vor'chas and Negh'vars are far superior?

(In rp I was the ops officer on a Zilant that got blown up in the battle for Gila IV. I hated that old ship.)

captbipto · April 2013

sander233 wrote: »

Why bother, when the Klinks are giving us their ships to play with?

The way I see it, we contribute our science vessels to the KDF fleet, because the KDF had none. But they have plenty of battlecruisers, so why bother contributing our obsolete Zilant battleships when the Klinks already proved that their Vor'chas and Negh'vars are far superior?

(In rp I was the ops officer on a Zilant that got blown up in the battle for Gila IV. I hated that old ship.)

You are assuming a lot by saying the Gorn cruisers are obsolete, and the Zilant is an old design. Look how long the Klingon Empire took to conquer the Gorn Hegemony.

I would love more Gorn ships to be added, my engineer wants a Dreadnaught! I still have Starfleet Command I and II, how I love the Gorn ships.

majesticmsfc · April 2013

To be honest I think all species (Gorn, Lethean, Ferasan, Orion etc) should have at least one ship for each class (escort/destroyer, battlecruiser and science vessel).

A friend of mine wants to re-class his Gorn to science officer so he can fly the Gorn science ship as he has put a lot of time and effort into his character. I can understand this my question about this is why would a species only build or contribute one line of ships to the Klingon Defence Force?

While I love Klingon ships and I think they should be the forefront of the KDF, they are now a multi-cultural regime and need to embrace this as diversity is a strength and not everyone who plays the KDF plays as a Klingon and many players like to put their species in their species ships. Not all these players are role players either, but actual gamers.

hjorlwulf · April 2013

Klingons are not and never will be multi-cultural - they are an Empire composed of many races, yes, but the culture at the KDF is Klingon - period. The races can contribute only what the Empire allows them to build - thus the ships that the Klingons themselves don't have, or a race does better will be allowed - but the bulk will be of Klingon design, no matter where built.

We ain't no stinkin' liberal pansies like them Feds .......

benovide · April 2013

That's actually incorrect, per the Novels, the KDF have their own fleets comprised purely of subordinate species/ships.

During the Dominion War, the Gorn played huge roles in some of the most brutal battles the KDF faced. Not as subordinates to the KDF but as Auxillaries.

Gorn has their own Battleships, Cruisers, Attack fighters, frigates, and even "Attack Wings" (there versions of Birds of Prey) they had entire fleets serving under the KDF as Auxilleries and fought int he remote areas. Some of the most collossal battles of the Dominion War were fought by the Gorn, and Reman's. Remands under the Romulan Star Empire, and the Gorn fleets under command of the KDF.

The OP is right, there is no reason at all why we shouldn't have entire assortments of at least gorn vessels.

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benovide · April 2013

OH YEAH and I just want to throw this out there for those whining and crying or about to whine about book license this, that, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

About half the BoPs, Raptors, some Cruisers are from the books.

All Gorn vessels, are from the novels. (Phalanx, Draguas, and Varanus, are each from the books)

Guramba, books. Scourge Destroyer, the books. Talon Battleship (NPC) the books.

Just wish to throw that out there.

We can easily have about 13, maybe 14 vessels, all Gorn added to this game.

psycoticvulcan · April 2013

shadowfang240 wrote: »

the klingon-gorn war ended in 2404; you'd think 5 years would be more than enough time to rebuild at least part of their war machine

Unless the Klingons are wary of rebellion (which, according to STO, is already happening) and unwilling to let the Gorn build a lot of attack ships.

captbipto wrote: »

Look how long the Klingon Empire took to conquer the Gorn Hegemony.

Most of that was just a huge siege of their homeworld. The bulk of the actual fighting took place in 2399-2400.

All that said, I agree with the OP that we need more Gorn ships, at every tier.

benovide · April 2013

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

Unless the Klingons are wary of rebellion (which, according to STO, is already happening) and unwilling to let the Gorn build a lot of attack ships.

Most of that was just a huge siege of their homeworld. The bulk of the actual fighting took place in 2399-2400.

All that said, I agree with the OP that we need more Gorn ships, at every tier.

Per the novels, KDF has Gorn Auxillaries.

So we should absolutely have more Gorn ships at every tier.

majesticmsfc · April 2013

skollulfr wrote: »

multi cultural does not automatically infer the prevailent trend of cultural dilution, and societal homogenisation, attempted by social engineers in earths 19th centuary, and repeated in the 20th centuary.

simply that there are multiple cultures within the society.

Thank you for clarifying that for others, that was what I was getting at.

misterde3 · April 2013

benovide wrote: »

That's actually incorrect, per the Novels, the KDF have their own fleets comprised purely of subordinate species/ships.

During the Dominion War, the Gorn played huge roles in some of the most brutal battles the KDF faced. Not as subordinates to the KDF but as Auxillaries.

Gorn has their own Battleships, Cruisers, Attack fighters, frigates, and even "Attack Wings" (there versions of Birds of Prey) they had entire fleets serving under the KDF as Auxilleries and fought int he remote areas. Some of the most collossal battles of the Dominion War were fought by the Gorn, and Reman's. Remands under the Romulan Star Empire, and the Gorn fleets under command of the KDF.

The OP is right, there is no reason at all why we shouldn't have entire assortments of at least gorn vessels.

Now I'm confised.
There are conflicting accounts regarding the Gorn, some even indicating they sided with the Dominion.
So which novels do you speak of?

keppabar42 · April 2013

Gorn seem slow and dumb on Klingon ships, Or when attacking federation ships/colonies cos the evironment is too cold. heat it up by about 15-20 degrees they get a lot faster, and smarter. On a gorn science ship at proper temperature they're all a lot brighter!

That's my theory, and it's why my Gorn tactical officer wears Omega armour. Gorn uniform harness is fine, in Gorn normal conditions. On away missions that sometimes take him to ice planets he wants something with better thermal insulation so he does not go into a hypothermic torper.

Oh, one other thing, Cryptic REALLY need to look at making a gorn EV suit, it looks INSANE squeezing one into a standard humanoid suit!

sander233 · April 2013

benovide wrote: »

That's actually incorrect, per the Novels, the KDF have their own fleets comprised purely of subordinate species/ships.

During the Dominion War, the Gorn played huge roles in some of the most brutal battles the KDF faced. Not as subordinates to the KDF but as Auxillaries.

Gorn has their own Battleships, Cruisers, Attack fighters, frigates, and even "Attack Wings" (there versions of Birds of Prey) they had entire fleets serving under the KDF as Auxilleries and fought int he remote areas. Some of the most collossal battles of the Dominion War were fought by the Gorn, and Reman's. Remands under the Romulan Star Empire, and the Gorn fleets under command of the KDF.

The OP is right, there is no reason at all why we shouldn't have entire assortments of at least gorn vessels.

I'd really love to know where your sourcing this information. I researched the Gorn extensively for RP purposes and I came across none of this.

The Gorn; Misunderstood

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