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A Fed Carrier Pet has Battle Cloak (The KDF is over)
illcadia
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A Fed starbase just hit tier 5 science, getting access to elite fleet hangar pets. Normally this wouldn't be cause for concern- just more spam, except for one little problem.
http://i.imgur.com/hwLHSBB.jpg
Take a look at the lower right. I'll wait.
And yes, I can hear the scream of outrage from here. That's right: Fed Battle Cloaks.
It's on their fighters- only a matter of time before every ship in their fleet has it, completely wrecking any sense of unique play the KDF faction has.
With the Romulans getting their own unique play options via singularity cores, we KDF are officially bent over a rail here.
Welcome to the end of STO.
I kid, but I thought I'd pre-empt the inevitable 'omg trek is teh overz' thread since they'll start up as more people hit T5 science and the old 'the feds are stealing our uniquenessez!' guys come out of hiding.
http://i.imgur.com/hwLHSBB.jpg
Take a look at the lower right. I'll wait.
And yes, I can hear the scream of outrage from here. That's right: Fed Battle Cloaks.
It's on their fighters- only a matter of time before every ship in their fleet has it, completely wrecking any sense of unique play the KDF faction has.
With the Romulans getting their own unique play options via singularity cores, we KDF are officially bent over a rail here.
Welcome to the end of STO.
I kid, but I thought I'd pre-empt the inevitable 'omg trek is teh overz' thread since they'll start up as more people hit T5 science and the old 'the feds are stealing our uniquenessez!' guys come out of hiding.
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It is really hard to get the doffs. Our fleet has been working on other stuff.
I am more worried about the Yellowstone. I really do not believe that after all the problems Danubes caused, the developers could be this shortsighted.
reasons why the aforementioned not a problem.
1.) Pet logic is laughable.
2.) Do I need to tell you what happens when a TS III, GW III, TR III, CPB II, PSW III hits a cloaking ship?
3.) Theta, Acetone Assimilators - the parties getting started!
I had no idea they snuck elite jem hadar fighters in there... Dammit.
Second impression: To any forum moderator that stumbles upon these forums, please now and in the future immidiately close threads with such titles. I'm even willing to pay cold hard zen for that! :cool:
So the Stalker pets have a battle cloak. So what?
"Only a matter of time when every ship in their fleet has it". Really? Unless you're working at Cryptic I have no idea how you can know that.
They already shortcutted through that with the Romulan Republic having alliances with the Federation & KDF. That is the way for Fed. players to have starships with cloak and still play the content on their prefered side of STO. With the exception of the Defiant & Galaxy-X, Starfleet's ships will never have cloaks. CBS won't allow it. Especially after the option for Romulans to allign with Feds.
And the cloak is more of a gimmick. It's not the holy grail of STO.
For Star Trek sake, "KDF is over", "End of KDF" and such titles of threads are becomming very old very fast. Give it a rest. The KDF survived much harder times, so it's not about to fall apart when it finally is shaping up to become a proper full faction.
What he said.
Overreact much? I mean for crying out loud, it's just one fighter, which is supposed to be a stealth fighter, and it's nigh unobtainable anyway.
As for this "every ship in the fleet" nonsense, yes, like every Fed ship already has a cloaking device, fully universal BOff layouts, plasmonic leach...
Ow. I just strained my eyes by rolling them too hard.
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these guys are shield strippers
The yellowstone and delta flyer are a much bigger concern. Tractor and tachyon beam ... under AI rules (not player rules). That is scary shiznit.
Jemhadar bug fighter with BO2. yikes...
I wonder what the elite BOP is like though.
So meh on pets, I say let them have their victory it doesn't really matter I think to a lot of KDF players.
End of the KDF? Not really.
What will probably happen is this:
An increase (maybe not immediately) in the amount of Fed-whining for adding more cloaking/battle cloaking ships (playable ones, not fighters) to their roster, using these Stalker Fighters as one of their 'reasons' along-side the Defiant and Gal-X.
Sounds about right, they seem to want everything on that faction rather than playing and developing characters on both.
#1. New romulans who choose fed side will have battle cloak so that uniqueness goes out the window (in all sense tho it was the first romulan-klingon alliance that Klingons got battle cloaks in the first place).
#2. After reading #1 as a mostly KDF player who likes to play fed once in awhile mostly just for the looks of the nice looking fed ships if you are introducing Romulans in this manner might as well just give the defiant a battle cloak with the option of having the fed version console + a romulan console for a set effect of having a battle cloak its not taking any uniqueness from what the may update is going to bring but will also achieve the balance needed for ships like the defiant.
As far as pets though... Pets don't do much besides give you like 1 turrets worth of damage and projectile damage on ships that can't turn fast enough to use them in actual combat so not a big deal.
Though if the next Caitian C-Store ship comes out with the BC, then there's a place for some belligerence.
The treaty was ended when the RSE collapsed I mean sure its still there but the treaty doesn't really matter with how weak the RSE is now and there has been no agreement with the NRR to restrict cloaks on fed ships. Really the only reason feds don't have more cloak ships is because of Klingon tears.
Most Fed ships don't have cloaks simply because it's not canon - even the Defiant was supposed to return its cloak to the Roms after the war. In the game Feds don't have a lot of cloaks because they are part of the KDF identity - it is there game trope. STO's background was written to uphold that trope.
Per the path to 2409, the Federation is still ostensibly enforcing the treaty. Please note I'm making no argument as to the intelligence of that decision, simply pointing out that said decision was in fact made.
How that's all going to work with the way LoR is setup however, I have no idea.
Whether the Federation now considers the treaty invalid or if they've declared it in abeyance because of Romulan violations of it isn't clear, but either way it's no longer in force somehow - the Federation has developed a cloaking device, and is now using a short term cloaking device acquired from New Romulus (the treaty also forbade the use of cloaking devices acquired from elsewhere).
STO and time have always had...strange...relationships. It should be at least 2412 in-game, but it isn't.
Also, did the Defiant-R come with a cloak out of the box or was that added later? It's been so long now that I honestly can't remember.
It's something that very badly needs an in-universe explanation. Anek Okeeg made a pretty big (albeit not exactly strategically brilliant) ethical stand when he stood up for the Treaty, but suddenly because Cryptic needed the dough that went out the window with the Gal-X and Defiant-R.
Toss in the giant mess that is the state of the Romulan species and you get all manner of contradictory stuffs.
I agree with the general sentiment I see in here that battle cloaking fed pets are a slippery slope that will lead to more begging from feds and eventually Fed ships with battle cloak. Every single time I come on to these forums it seems the devs are taking another shot at Klingon uniqueness by eroding any sort of distinctive feature the Klings have, whether it's the klingon STF space and ground sets, carriers, etc.
Agreed its called STALKER. so doesn't any cloak help? besides its battle cloak not the enhanced version.
The Defiant-R and Galaxy-X always came with a cloak from the moment they were introduced into the game.
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Why do you say that? DS9 ran from 1993-1999 and was set in 2369-2375... So, there's no direct analogue.
Edit: Or maybe you just meant it's strange that the year hasn't ticked up since the game was released? Apologies if I misread.