The context is an extension of Caitain based technology (Thoron stealth) on the fighters of the Caitain specific ship.
Caitain not Federation.
Perhaps there will be a battle cloak CAITAIN escort/cruiser/sci ship in the future.
Do I necessary want to play it??? Every time a new Fed ship comes out its the end of the klingon faction and pvp game balance. Heard the same thing about the Vesta shield powers, and the Andorian 5 hardpoints up front (storm in a teacup BS).
Surely if this was an issue then why isn't the cloaking of the Tier 5 Romulan reward not an issue.
Cloak and still fire even if only a few seconds... If you want to focus on a thin end of the wedge there it is. Essentially with the Romulan Rep any ship can have cloaking. how long before a cooldown on cloak doff gets introduced or one that upscales the length.
If the Devs really wish to undermine the cloak enjoyed by the Klingons, they've already got something now in game they could play with to do so.
The Federation simply shouldn't have a cloak on any of its ships, even if those are ships of minor species that joined the Federation. It doesn't fit the image of the Federation and they still have a treaty with the Romulans restricting them from pursuing cloaking technology.
The Federation simply shouldn't have a cloak on any of its ships, even if those are ships of minor species that joined the Federation. It doesn't fit the image of the Federation and they still have a treaty with the Romulans restricting them from pursuing cloaking technology.
You're right. Federation aren't cowardly opportunists like the Klingons.
However, the Defiant was built with a cloaking device with the agreement and even cooperation of the Romulans. Who's to say it was the first and only time? Besides, as someone else has already mentioned, the Caitian Stalker STEALTH Fighters are just that: Caitian, not Starfleet. Cait may be a member of the Federation, but they maintain their own ships and technology.
The Federation simply shouldn't have a cloak on any of its ships, even if those are ships of minor species that joined the Federation. It doesn't fit the image of the Federation and they still have a treaty with the Romulans restricting them from pursuing cloaking technology.
Well the treaty obviously got amended as Dreadnoughts have cloak too...
Anyone seen a copy of this treaty recently? nor do I remember it referenced in path to game time that this was allowed. rather it was in the TV series were going to put it in game.
Also if Federation view of former Romulan Republic is no longer recognized as official Romulan government then Federation could recognize D'Tan and his New Republic and have a new treaty in which a grateful d'Tan permits this, hey presto cloaking feds...
A pathetically weak pet that almost nobody uses for a ship that almost nobody uses. Just another example of KDF babies whining about Feds getting ANYTHING.
Well the treaty obviously got amended as Dreadnoughts have cloak too...
Anyone seen a copy of this treaty recently? nor do I remember it referenced in path to game time that this was allowed. rather it was in the TV series were going to put it in game.
Also if Federation view of former Romulan Republic is no longer recognized as official Romulan government then Federation could recognize D'Tan and his New Republic and have a new treaty in which a grateful d'Tan permits this, hey presto cloaking feds...
The trwaty that effects how the feds have cloaking in STO can be found in the Path to 2409 backstory written by Cryptic for the game and covered in the novel Needs of the Many that was written about STO.
The Dreanought and Defiant-R are basically grandfathered in relation to the PT2409 treaty.
A pathetically weak pet that almost nobody uses for a ship that almost nobody uses. Just another example of KDF babies whining about Feds getting ANYTHING.
Your funny. This the third time youve insulted the KDF on this page and stated we are whinning about the cloak fed pet when infact with the exception of the opening poster pratically EVERY KDF poster in this thread has had the same reaction to the "cloaking fed pet" news that amounts to a huge "who gives a ****te" so I feel compelled to ask is your reading comprehension that imbecillic or are you just poorly trolling becuase of a lack of a more intelligent action?
Your funny. This the third time youve insulted the KDF on this page and stated we are whinning about the cloak fed pet when infact with the exception of the opening poster pratically EVERY KDF poster in this thread has had the same reaction to the "cloaking fed pet" news that amounts to a huge "who gives a ****te" so I feel compelled to ask is your reading comprehension that imbecillic or are you just poorly trolling becuase of a lack of a more intelligent action?
My funny what?
I'm bored, and baiting KDF (specifically you) is easy entertainment. And if we're in agreement about the meaningless battle cloak on a worthless fighter pet...what does it matter? Methinks the lady doth protest too much...
I will just throw in my 2 Slips of GPL here... Stalkers are not as bad as some seem to be saying. They are on the best shield strippers the Feds have but if you want them to really do their job well you need to pair one hangar of Stalkers with one Hangar of Scorps. Also they are great for fighting cloakers and anyone who wants to be able to heal with Aux.
As for them getting BC... LOL... Ye-Ah... If it is the damage you are worried about then you can relax because it will not boost their damage enough to make an appreciable difference... If you are for some unimaginable reason worried about targeting them... They can be relaunched so fast that if you are wasting your time with that you have already lost.
It does not matter in any case because Federation Fighters apparently are heavily nerfed compared to KDF Fighters suffering from serious accuracy issues as I have found out.
I'm bored, and baiting KDF (specifically you) is easy entertainment. And if we're in agreement about the meaningless battle cloak on a worthless fighter pet...what does it matter? Methinks the lady doth protest too much...
So trolling. At least you have the balls to admit it. I will give you that much as I was bored as well and was just curiuos what you thought you where attempting to acomplish.
Baited though? Nah. Just saw spmeone acting the TRIBBLE and was curiuos why?
I throw in my vote for the Yellowstone Runabout catching my eye. I've been trying to slot more crowd control in my carrier ships, using Danube runabouts for starts. But it seems like now the Yellowstone has everything I could possibly want. Warp Plasma, Chronitons, AND Tractor Beam? I think I'm slobbering x_x
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I think there may be a little confusion of the yellowstones , yes its warp plasma , but of the tetryon variety , its basically EWP lite , all of the CC with none of the damage , and while thats still deadly for pvp , its not as lethal as 4 clouds of your standard plasma at once
I throw in my vote for the Yellowstone Runabout catching my eye. I've been trying to slot more crowd control in my carrier ships, using Danube runabouts for starts. But it seems like now the Yellowstone has everything I could possibly want. Warp Plasma, Chronitons, AND Tractor Beam? I think I'm slobbering x_x
Its is my guess that the feds will be able to field a CC build as annoying as the KDF drain builds now. A TRIBBLE for tat sort pf balance I supposse. What ever the reasoning, anti-pet builds will be making a comeback
Star Trek is about Starfleet! Always has been! Every series! TOS! TNG! Voyager! Enterprise! DS9! Every single one! It's about Starfleet! This double-faction thing was a "WoW did it so we have to too!" symptom.
Now, I'm all for the KDF being developed up, I really am. But FFS people, get it through your heads that the Star Trek spotlight is, and always has been, on STARFLEET captains. Almost every single Season that's come out has included a lot of Klingon updates and every time something new is added to the game, it's available to everyone, so seriously, WHAT is your PROBLEM? Specifically. I really would like to know. Your ships are better. You have just as many ships, probably more, actually, with all the Gorn/Orion/Naussican warships. Marauding > Diplomacy. Only thing that *I* noticed in my experience leveling up a KDF character was that, yes, there are fewer PVE missions, but with all the Featured Series available to everyone, it doesn't matter, because you hit VA long before you finish them all.
Star Trek is about Starfleet! Always has been! Every series! TOS! TNG! Voyager! Enterprise! DS9! Every single one! It's about Starfleet! This double-faction thing was a "WoW did it so we have to too!" symptom.
Now, I'm all for the KDF being developed up, I really am. But FFS people, get it through your heads that the Star Trek spotlight is, and always has been, on STARFLEET captains. Almost every single Season that's come out has included a lot of Klingon updates and every time something new is added to the game, it's available to everyone, so seriously, WHAT is your PROBLEM? Specifically. I really would like to know. Your ships are better. You have just as many ships, probably more, actually, with all the Gorn/Orion/Naussican warships. Marauding > Diplomacy. Only thing that *I* noticed in my experience leveling up a KDF character was that, yes, there are fewer PVE missions, but with all the Featured Series available to everyone, it doesn't matter, because you hit VA long before you finish them all.
Newsflash: This is an MMO - a GAME - not the limited TV series, movies, etc. It has to be fully playable 24/7, and for ALL players - not just a 30-min story once a week, or 2 hrs every 5 years or so.
WOW wasn't the first, nor will it be the last to have more than one fully functioning and mutually hostile factions.
"...just look at my track record for making the improvements that I said we would with the KDF and judge by that." - Dan Stahl
"Dan and Cryptic have spoken out the sides of their mouths so much I expect beads, whiskey and Polio blankets for the KDF any day now." - Roach
Star Trek is about Starfleet! Always has been! Every series! TOS! TNG! Voyager! Enterprise! DS9! Every single one! It's about Starfleet! This double-faction thing was a "WoW did it so we have to too!" symptom.
Now, I'm all for the KDF being developed up, I really am. But FFS people, get it through your heads that the Star Trek spotlight is, and always has been, on STARFLEET captains. Almost every single Season that's come out has included a lot of Klingon updates and every time something new is added to the game, it's available to everyone, so seriously, WHAT is your PROBLEM? Specifically. I really would like to know. Your ships are better. You have just as many ships, probably more, actually, with all the Gorn/Orion/Naussican warships. Marauding > Diplomacy. Only thing that *I* noticed in my experience leveling up a KDF character was that, yes, there are fewer PVE missions, but with all the Featured Series available to everyone, it doesn't matter, because you hit VA long before you finish them all.
And KEEPING it focused on the Starfleet good-guys is boring as sh*t. Seriously. It may have worked for the show, because they needed to have 'relate-able' cast members. . .but it's terribly limiting for an MMO or any kind of game format.
Ships are better? Not always. There are tradeoffs. Federation has their strengths, KDF has their own. More ships? Hahaha. . .maybe if you consider the entire spectrum from Tier 1 to Tier 5.5. Federation have a LOT more variety in terms of end-game ships (which, when it comes to ship variety, matters more). Marauding > Diplomacy? I dunno, don't really care for that stuff.
Yes, we have fewer PVE missions. You may not care, since you're obviously the type of player who both rushes blindly through a game without sampling all the creative content. . .but plenty of KDF players care. Not to mention that the 'Featured Series' and other cross-faction content is mostly written from a Federation standpoint. Hardly qualifies as cross-faction in terms of perspective.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
Newsflash: This is an MMO - a GAME - not the limited TV series, movies, etc. It has to be fully playable 24/7, and for ALL players - not just a 30-min story once a week, or 2 hrs every 5 years or so.
WOW wasn't the first, nor will it be the last to have more than one fully functioning and mutually hostile factions.
Agreed. With the TV show, they generally stuck with the Federation and a majority human/human-looking cast, in order to make the characters more 'relate-able'. That's far from necessary in a game setting.
Practically all Star Trek games have featured multiple playable races/factions, usually with all of them being treated equally in terms of how fleshed out they were. STO is an unfortunate break from that pattern, with the clear sucking up to Federation fanboys who have lots of money.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
Yes, we have fewer PVE missions. You may not care, since you're obviously the type of player who both rushes blindly through a game without sampling all the creative content. . .
Sorry, what? I've been around since Beta and played every single friggin' mission in the game with the exception of Enter the Hive (Ground) and frequently got yelled at by teammates because I actually took the time to READ the mission briefing and all the pop-ups because I cared about the story and wanted to know what was going on. So don't go making assumptions about me as a person or player without any basis whatsoever, you just make yourself look like an ignorant TRIBBLE.
Now, I never said STO should STAY focused on Starfleet, I just pointed out that when people hear "Star Trek" they think "Starfleet," and KDF players need to accept that. You're an "add-on" faction. Get used to it. However, I don't agree that STO IS focused on Starfleet, nor has it been since...Season 1, really. Every major update has included either universal content or strictly KDF content. I referenced that in a previous post, but Bitemepwi buried it under trolling, ignoring the points.
...with the clear sucking up to Federation fanboys who have lots of money.
See top comment about "Star Trek = Starfleet" to almost anyone who hears it. Secondly, do KDF players not have money? Third, like any game, this is a business. No money from KDF = no toys for KDF. Simple business practice. Yes, damn them for not catering to a minority that doesn't pay for anything. They must not be liberals.
As for your ships, I continue to maintain that, pound for pound, KDF has better ships. For Feds, this is Escorts Online, but all KDF ships are viable, though Raptors aren't very popular, as I understand it. So perhaps Feds have more ships in number, but KDF has more ships that aren't a joke and they're always better than the Fed counterpart. KDF started with a carrier (Vo'Quv), then got the Kar'Fi, which is simply amazing. Feds eventually got the Atrox...which is barely on par with the Vo'Quv and is outclassed by the Kar'Fi. Lockbox/Lobi ships don't enter into this because they're available to both factions.
Y'know, Bitemepwi, every time you respond to one of my posts, you blatantly ignore anything I've said and simply call me a troll. You never take the time to respond to anything IN my post, present points of your own to counter mine. There's no debate, just insults and accusations of trolling. I'm actually trying to open debate and dialogue by referencing the game and it's updates and pointing out sources. All you've done in response is insult me and call me a troll without actually contributing anything of substance.
We can disagree, but let's at least TRY to keep it semi-civil, if you're capable of that, and at least have a dialogue and debate before we agree to disagree.
Star Trek is about Starfleet! Always has been! Every series! TOS! TNG! Voyager! Enterprise! DS9! Every single one! It's about Starfleet! This double-faction thing was a "WoW did it so we have to too!" symptom.
Now, I'm all for the KDF being developed up, I really am. But FFS people, get it through your heads that the Star Trek spotlight is, and always has been, on STARFLEET captains. Almost every single Season that's come out has included a lot of Klingon updates and every time something new is added to the game, it's available to everyone, so seriously, WHAT is your PROBLEM? Specifically. I really would like to know. Your ships are better. You have just as many ships, probably more, actually, with all the Gorn/Orion/Naussican warships. Marauding > Diplomacy. Only thing that *I* noticed in my experience leveling up a KDF character was that, yes, there are fewer PVE missions, but with all the Featured Series available to everyone, it doesn't matter, because you hit VA long before you finish them all.
This possibly one of the dumbest things I've read on these forums. While the series and movies are generally about Starfleet (although there are individual episodes focused for the most part on Klingons as in TNG: A Matter of Honor or Cardassians as in DS9: Return to Grace) Star Trek as a whole is not just about the Federation and Starfleet. There have been tons of novels about various alien cultures. We even had a PC game named Klingon Academy a decade ago which was a financial success in contrast to most Starfleet-based games.
And in an MMO you need multiple fully developed factions (ideally 3 if the MMO involves PvP) to add a sense of competition and immersion.
Read again. I said "trolls" implying more than one. If you are posting based off of your post stating on the previuos page of "doing it to rattle klingon cages" then you may be trolling.
If you are not keeping to that afore mentioned post then you may not be trolling.
Iether way many have said they have no concerns that a fed pet has battle cloaking in this thread so any fed posts pushing the KDF whine motif are trolling since said whine is all but non existant in this thread.
My do not feed the troll remark was to my fellow KDF to not feed the thread.
I kid, but I thought I'd pre-empt the inevitable 'omg trek is teh overz' thread since they'll start up as more people hit T5 science and the old 'the feds are stealing our uniquenessez!' guys come out of hiding.
Lol, has enyone else noticed this? =P
And were they ever hidding in the first place?
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The context is an extension of Caitain based technology (Thoron stealth) on the fighters of the Caitain specific ship.
Caitain not Federation.
Perhaps there will be a battle cloak CAITAIN escort/cruiser/sci ship in the future.
Do I necessary want to play it??? Every time a new Fed ship comes out its the end of the klingon faction and pvp game balance. Heard the same thing about the Vesta shield powers, and the Andorian 5 hardpoints up front (storm in a teacup BS).
Surely if this was an issue then why isn't the cloaking of the Tier 5 Romulan reward not an issue.
Cloak and still fire even if only a few seconds... If you want to focus on a thin end of the wedge there it is. Essentially with the Romulan Rep any ship can have cloaking. how long before a cooldown on cloak doff gets introduced or one that upscales the length.
If the Devs really wish to undermine the cloak enjoyed by the Klingons, they've already got something now in game they could play with to do so.
Aid in leading the Romulan Star Empire back to its former greatness.
Join the Romulan Praetorian Guard and teach those epohh loving hippies what it means to be a true Romulan!
You're right. Federation aren't cowardly opportunists like the Klingons.
However, the Defiant was built with a cloaking device with the agreement and even cooperation of the Romulans. Who's to say it was the first and only time? Besides, as someone else has already mentioned, the Caitian Stalker STEALTH Fighters are just that: Caitian, not Starfleet. Cait may be a member of the Federation, but they maintain their own ships and technology.
Well the treaty obviously got amended as Dreadnoughts have cloak too...
Anyone seen a copy of this treaty recently? nor do I remember it referenced in path to game time that this was allowed. rather it was in the TV series were going to put it in game.
Also if Federation view of former Romulan Republic is no longer recognized as official Romulan government then Federation could recognize D'Tan and his New Republic and have a new treaty in which a grateful d'Tan permits this, hey presto cloaking feds...
R.I.P
The trwaty that effects how the feds have cloaking in STO can be found in the Path to 2409 backstory written by Cryptic for the game and covered in the novel Needs of the Many that was written about STO.
The Dreanought and Defiant-R are basically grandfathered in relation to the PT2409 treaty.
R.I.P
Your funny. This the third time youve insulted the KDF on this page and stated we are whinning about the cloak fed pet when infact with the exception of the opening poster pratically EVERY KDF poster in this thread has had the same reaction to the "cloaking fed pet" news that amounts to a huge "who gives a ****te" so I feel compelled to ask is your reading comprehension that imbecillic or are you just poorly trolling becuase of a lack of a more intelligent action?
R.I.P
My funny what?
I'm bored, and baiting KDF (specifically you) is easy entertainment. And if we're in agreement about the meaningless battle cloak on a worthless fighter pet...what does it matter? Methinks the lady doth protest too much...
As for them getting BC... LOL... Ye-Ah... If it is the damage you are worried about then you can relax because it will not boost their damage enough to make an appreciable difference... If you are for some unimaginable reason worried about targeting them... They can be relaunched so fast that if you are wasting your time with that you have already lost.
It does not matter in any case because Federation Fighters apparently are heavily nerfed compared to KDF Fighters suffering from serious accuracy issues as I have found out.
So trolling. At least you have the balls to admit it. I will give you that much as I was bored as well and was just curiuos what you thought you where attempting to acomplish.
Baited though? Nah. Just saw spmeone acting the TRIBBLE and was curiuos why?
Have fun with it.
R.I.P
Bring on the cloaking little buggers, I will just pop off my plasma shockwave and be done with it. You can guess who my Romulans will be joining.
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that'd just be nasty
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That shockwave is pretty nasty... I sometimes kill a Dhelan at 30% when it cloaks, simply by throwing a bunch of plasma in their impulse exhaust.
Or maybe 20%. I don't know anymore.
The safe cloaking threshold is MUCH higher now that the Romulans are around. :cool:
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Its is my guess that the feds will be able to field a CC build as annoying as the KDF drain builds now. A TRIBBLE for tat sort pf balance I supposse. What ever the reasoning, anti-pet builds will be making a comeback
R.I.P
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Well according to a large segment of the Fed population it may as well be UFP Online.
Star Trek is about Starfleet! Always has been! Every series! TOS! TNG! Voyager! Enterprise! DS9! Every single one! It's about Starfleet! This double-faction thing was a "WoW did it so we have to too!" symptom.
Now, I'm all for the KDF being developed up, I really am. But FFS people, get it through your heads that the Star Trek spotlight is, and always has been, on STARFLEET captains. Almost every single Season that's come out has included a lot of Klingon updates and every time something new is added to the game, it's available to everyone, so seriously, WHAT is your PROBLEM? Specifically. I really would like to know. Your ships are better. You have just as many ships, probably more, actually, with all the Gorn/Orion/Naussican warships. Marauding > Diplomacy. Only thing that *I* noticed in my experience leveling up a KDF character was that, yes, there are fewer PVE missions, but with all the Featured Series available to everyone, it doesn't matter, because you hit VA long before you finish them all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32UGD0fV45g :rolleyes:
WOW wasn't the first, nor will it be the last to have more than one fully functioning and mutually hostile factions.
"Dan and Cryptic have spoken out the sides of their mouths so much I expect beads, whiskey and Polio blankets for the KDF any day now." - Roach
And KEEPING it focused on the Starfleet good-guys is boring as sh*t. Seriously. It may have worked for the show, because they needed to have 'relate-able' cast members. . .but it's terribly limiting for an MMO or any kind of game format.
Ships are better? Not always. There are tradeoffs. Federation has their strengths, KDF has their own. More ships? Hahaha. . .maybe if you consider the entire spectrum from Tier 1 to Tier 5.5. Federation have a LOT more variety in terms of end-game ships (which, when it comes to ship variety, matters more). Marauding > Diplomacy? I dunno, don't really care for that stuff.
Yes, we have fewer PVE missions. You may not care, since you're obviously the type of player who both rushes blindly through a game without sampling all the creative content. . .but plenty of KDF players care. Not to mention that the 'Featured Series' and other cross-faction content is mostly written from a Federation standpoint. Hardly qualifies as cross-faction in terms of perspective.
Agreed. With the TV show, they generally stuck with the Federation and a majority human/human-looking cast, in order to make the characters more 'relate-able'. That's far from necessary in a game setting.
Practically all Star Trek games have featured multiple playable races/factions, usually with all of them being treated equally in terms of how fleshed out they were. STO is an unfortunate break from that pattern, with the clear sucking up to Federation fanboys who have lots of money.
Sorry, what? I've been around since Beta and played every single friggin' mission in the game with the exception of Enter the Hive (Ground) and frequently got yelled at by teammates because I actually took the time to READ the mission briefing and all the pop-ups because I cared about the story and wanted to know what was going on. So don't go making assumptions about me as a person or player without any basis whatsoever, you just make yourself look like an ignorant TRIBBLE.
Now, I never said STO should STAY focused on Starfleet, I just pointed out that when people hear "Star Trek" they think "Starfleet," and KDF players need to accept that. You're an "add-on" faction. Get used to it. However, I don't agree that STO IS focused on Starfleet, nor has it been since...Season 1, really. Every major update has included either universal content or strictly KDF content. I referenced that in a previous post, but Bitemepwi buried it under trolling, ignoring the points.
R.I.P
We can disagree, but let's at least TRY to keep it semi-civil, if you're capable of that, and at least have a dialogue and debate before we agree to disagree.
This possibly one of the dumbest things I've read on these forums. While the series and movies are generally about Starfleet (although there are individual episodes focused for the most part on Klingons as in TNG: A Matter of Honor or Cardassians as in DS9: Return to Grace) Star Trek as a whole is not just about the Federation and Starfleet. There have been tons of novels about various alien cultures. We even had a PC game named Klingon Academy a decade ago which was a financial success in contrast to most Starfleet-based games.
And in an MMO you need multiple fully developed factions (ideally 3 if the MMO involves PvP) to add a sense of competition and immersion.
Aid in leading the Romulan Star Empire back to its former greatness.
Join the Romulan Praetorian Guard and teach those epohh loving hippies what it means to be a true Romulan!
If you are not keeping to that afore mentioned post then you may not be trolling.
Iether way many have said they have no concerns that a fed pet has battle cloaking in this thread so any fed posts pushing the KDF whine motif are trolling since said whine is all but non existant in this thread.
My do not feed the troll remark was to my fellow KDF to not feed the thread.
R.I.P
Lol, has enyone else noticed this? =P
And were they ever hidding in the first place?
You rang?