The discussion was Bortasqu' vs Dreadnought, You have no room to even discuss the two ships side by side, let alone to even comment on their abilites.
I sincerely doubt you even have a Bortasqu'.
The challenge was for you to jump into your Dreadnought. a challenge in comparison of Bort vs Dread. I could care less about your escort in a challenge when it has nothing to do with even the very title of the thread in comparing the two ships.
This is a very noobish opinion that I've heard from many a noob, such as yourself. Boff layout and stats will tell an experienced player quite clearly how something will handle.
In addition, my ownership of the Dread has little bearing on how wildly inaccurate your claims are.
If you had any confidence in what you claim you would fight me no matter what I flew. But you know you're wrong.
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
This is a very noobish opinion that I've heard from many a noob, such as yourself. Boff layout and stats will tell an experienced player quite clearly how something will handle.
In addition, my ownership of the Dread has little bearing on how wildly inaccurate your claims are.
If you had any confidence in what you claim you would fight me no matter what I flew. But you know you're wrong.
So, after having the full set of Bartasq, using the Tactical (one with 5 tac slots) it performs identically to the Jem Hadar Dreadnought. ABsolutely identical,
Absolutely identical... well then flying one should provide the same insight as flying the other, unless in your parallel universe the words "absolutely" and "identical" have different meanings in the same manner as your numbers.
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Yeah, you know what, these ships are so different I guess you're right that I need to own both to really understand.
Oh, wait...
Absolutely identical... well then flying one should provide the same insight as flying the other, unless in your parallel universe the words "absolutely" and "identical" have different meanings in the same manner as your numbers.
Just so we're clear the order of events went like this:
You post wild claims including:
A 10kdps Bortas deployable
+12 to Targeting = +4% crit rate
I call you out on your bad math.
You challenge me.
I accept.
You p**** out.
You call me a troll.
Yup, looks about right. Keep in mind that you decided to post your "2 cents" publicly and subsequently refused to support your fantastic numbers. Around here we take accurate values seriously, expect a rough once-over if you're wrong and refuse to deal in reality. Hi and welcome. But yeah, I'm the troll, whatever helps you sleep.
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
just So We're Clear The Order Of Events Went Like This:
You Post Wild Claims Including:
A 10kdps Bortas Deployable
+12 To Targeting = +4% Crit Rate
I Call You Out On Your Bad Math.
You Challenge Me.
I Accept.
You P**** Out.
You Call Me A Troll.
Yup, Looks About Right. Keep In Mind That You Decided To Post Your "2 Cents" Publicly And Subsequently Refused To Support Your Fantastic Numbers. Around Here We Take Accurate Values Seriously, Expect A Rough Once-over If You're Wrong And Refuse To Deal In Reality. Hi And Welcome. But Yeah, I'm The Troll, Whatever Helps You Sleep.
I Will Kill You All In My Miranda Come Get Someeeeeee
Deflector - Omega Mk XII
Engine - Omega Mk XII
Shields - Omega Mk XII
Weapons
Fore - Omega Torp,Elite Fleet Dual Disruptor Beam Bank Mk XII [Acc][Dmg]x2[SDisrupt], 2x Elite Fleet Disruptor Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Acc][Dmg]x2[SDisrupt]
Aft - Cutting Beam,3x Elite Fleet Disruptor Turret Mk XII [Acc][Dmg]x2[SDisrupt]
Consoles
Tac - 5x Disruptor Induction Coil Mk XII
Eng - Borg, 0Point,Tachyo, Leech
Sci - Romulan Flow Mk XII [Pla]
Devices - SFM, RMC, Eng Batt, Wep Batt
Course, I wouldn't fly it. Don't have a Bort'...deleted the toons that had the free one a long time ago. Just wanted to contribute. I normally offer a disclaimer to ignore my builds as flaky...but that wouldn't be in the spirit of the thread, am I right?
If you have the Bortasqu' pack, don't fly the Tac one, fly the SCIENCE!
The only thing you LOSE is that one of your tac consoles is instead a second science console. So you lose an induction coil, but what you gain is worth at least as much. Look closely, the Science version Bortasqu' gets Sensor Analysis. (In fact, Science Bort and Science Oddy are the only ships with 8 guns that get SA)
Sensor Analysis is the ability they added to boost Sci vessel dps, that gives you a +3% damage bonus per second you spend targeting an enemy, up to +33%. You WILL notice the improvement of damage with sensor analysis over the 5th Disruptor Induction Coil, and the spare science console gives you room for another Romulan console or +shields (Or just stick a universal console there)
Just so we're clear the order of events went like this:
You post wild claims including:
A 10kdps Bortas deployable
+12 to Targeting = +4% crit rate
I call you out on your bad math.
You challenge me.
I accept.
You p**** out.
You call me a troll.
Yup, looks about right. Keep in mind that you decided to post your "2 cents" publicly and subsequently refused to support your fantastic numbers. Around here we take accurate values seriously, expect a rough once-over if you're wrong and refuse to deal in reality. Hi and welcome. But yeah, I'm the troll, whatever helps you sleep.
I call you a troll because you, in fact, are a troll. You comment on ships you know nothing about, I sincerely doubt you even have the three pack to begin with. Just by your demeaner in discussing the ships, it's heavily doubtful you even have the 200 FC Bortas. I challeneged you to jump into your Dread, and I'll make you the 18th dread player I've killed. Only to find, you don't even have a dread, and refer to the dread as a piece of TRIBBLE even.
You have no room to even be part of any discussion at all in this thread, you have no relevant knowledge of either ship, let alone no experience at all in PVP with either ship.
I call you a troll because you, in fact, are a troll. You comment on ships you know nothing about, I sincerely doubt you even have the three pack to begin with. Just by your demeaner in discussing the ships, it's heavily doubtful you even have the 200 FC Bortas. I challeneged you to jump into your Dread, and I'll make you the 18th dread player I've killed. Only to find, you don't even have a dread, and refer to the dread as a piece of TRIBBLE even.
You have no room to even be part of any discussion at all in this thread, you have no relevant knowledge of either ship, let alone no experience at all in PVP with either ship.
You are, in every effect, a troll.
You are calling me a liar, which is seriously rude. I have the Bort 3 pack.
You have yet to reconcile your wildly inaccurate claims regarding the math which governs this game. It is not trolling to correct misinformation.
You posted your "2 cents" for all to comment upon. The comments from me are that your builds are terrible. Had I left it at that simple statement, I could be called a troll, however I gave you specific points to which you could respond, to review:
-Quad cannons are TRIBBLE
-DCs are TRIBBLE
-Beam arrays in the rear paired with cannons are plain dumb
-The Hoh'sus pet is TRIBBLE
Why don't you respond to the content of the criticism rather than attacking my character? Post a vid of the Hoh'sus doing the impossible, namely killing a player. Explain why your Quad cannons aren't a liability, etc, etc...
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
You are calling me a liar, which is seriously rude. I have the Bort 3 pack.
You have yet to reconcile your wildly inaccurate claims regarding the math which governs this game. It is not trolling to correct misinformation.
You posted your "2 cents" for all to comment upon. The comments from me are that your builds are terrible. Had I left it at that simple statement, I could be called a troll, however I gave you specific points to which you could respond, to review:
-Quad cannons are TRIBBLE
-DCs are TRIBBLE
-Beam arrays in the rear paired with cannons are plain dumb
-The Hoh'sus pet is TRIBBLE
Why don't you respond to the content of the criticism rather than attacking my character? Post a vid of the Hoh'sus doing the impossible, namely killing a player. Explain why your Quad cannons aren't a liability, etc, etc...
You are calling me a liar, which is seriously rude. I have the Bort 3 pack.
You have yet to reconcile your wildly inaccurate claims regarding the math which governs this game. It is not trolling to correct misinformation.
You posted your "2 cents" for all to comment upon. The comments from me are that your builds are terrible. Had I left it at that simple statement, I could be called a troll, however I gave you specific points to which you could respond, to review:
-Quad cannons are TRIBBLE
-DCs are TRIBBLE
-Beam arrays in the rear paired with cannons are plain dumb
-The Hoh'sus pet is TRIBBLE
Why don't you respond to the content of the criticism rather than attacking my character? Post a vid of the Hoh'sus doing the impossible, namely killing a player. Explain why your Quad cannons aren't a liability, etc, etc...
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How on planet earth is this trolling he's right on every point you don't need the ship to know this you only have had to entered the pug ques of any content be it PVE or PVP to have found these facts out
Quad cannons - although their tooltip says they so the same or more dps the don't, they run DMG modifiers which basically mean nothing in the grand scheme of things an uncommon dhc will out damage them and it won't sup away a ships life blood ENGINE POWER
DC - I'm not even going to explain how dhcs have an inherent critd modifier and therefore do a lot more damage than te equivilant dc 'nuff said
Beam arrays in the rear coupled with cannons in the front is this a joke? Did someone actually do this and still continues to do this???
The hosus or any pet wouldnt even be able to solo a players t2 bop unless it was flown by a delinquent and even then chances are they were afk making a cup of hot cocoa and unable to hit any heals
This is not trolling this is trying to help you to stop saying mad things and be a better player in turn but if your not interested that's fine just don't say someone is a troll when they are clearly more correct than you!!!!
----=====This is my opinion you don't have to listen and no one else has to read them these "OPINIONS" are based on my exploits and my learning other people will have their opinions and that's fine just don't knock my way of doing things thanks=====---- :cool:
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How on planet earth is this trolling he's right on every point you don't need the ship to know this you only have had to entered the pug ques of any content be it PVE or PVP to have found these facts out
Quad cannons - although their tooltip says they so the same or more dps the don't, they run DMG modifiers which basically mean nothing in the grand scheme of things an uncommon dhc will out damage them and it won't sup away a ships life blood ENGINE POWER
DC - I'm not even going to explain how dhcs have an inherent critd modifier and therefore do a lot more damage than te equivilant dc 'nuff said
Beam arrays in the rear coupled with cannons in the front is this a joke? Did someone actually do this and still continues to do this???
The hosus or any pet wouldnt even be able to solo a players t2 bop unless it was flown by a delinquent and even then chances are they were afk making a cup of hot cocoa and unable to hit any heals
This is not trolling this is trying to help you to stop saying mad things and be a better player in turn but if your not interested that's fine just don't say someone is a troll when they are clearly more correct than you!!!!
If you don't have the ship, you have no room to even discuss the ship.
Quad Cannons with damage buff of 14.5% deals greater damage any Dual Heavy Cannons, run a parse data program to compare DPS overall. (I did)
DC, don't care for Dual Cannons, I use a Dual Cannon for the sake of torps and fighters.
Beam Arrays work fine when a ship crosses to the aft. More effective than the Turrets in a lot of areas.
HoH'SuS BoP parses out at 10k DPS. from launch to recall.
He is a troll for an intents and purposes, if you don't have the ship, you have no room to even discuss the ship.
If you don't have the ship, you have no room to even discuss the ship.
what an absurd argument, a ship is a collection of stats, nothing more. its a station setup, turn rate, hitpoint and shield modifier, and inertia score. thats it. anyone who has been around as long as ricky knows how those stats will work together in game play, you obviously so you dont have that talent yet.
the specialization skills buff crit, not accuracy, only the targeting skill effects accuracy. in the attack tab of your ships character screen you can actually see what your ships acc score is, and crit scores. if you want to know what specing into specialization is doing, look here, this is how much it ads to beam and torp damage
the only place quad cannons have any chance of out DPSing a DHC is if it is fired at a gate in an stf. delivering damage DHC sysle, as spike, can blow down shield faceings and expose hull, something quads cant do as well. dps is meaningless compared to effective damage. that gate is also not going to be moving, another important factor for ether big fat ship. its not going to be able to shoot anything actually moving with them.
Nah, not at all, I choose to not argue, because he has no experience, and it'll go nowhere.
You were asking if you should buy the Bort pack on 3/27. But I'm the one with no experience.
That's fine, I'm the idiot, so prove it. Post up your math, build, and crazy assertions in the PvP section and let the people with actual experience weigh in.
And for the record, this isn't just about epeen, you're making wild claims and advocating dropping $50 on something supported by things that are demonstrably untrue.
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
The Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier (JHDC for short) is far superior, IMO, than the Bortasqu in whatever incarnation is chosen. Some of my reasons, both good and bad:
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Can I have some of whatever substance you are on? Must be some really good stuff for you to come up with that.
Bortasqu easily outclasses Jem dreadnought in pve and pvp, I have gotten into many 1v1 fights with them and never have a problem quickly dispatching the Jem'hadar "Dreanought" with a Bortasqu, whether using a decloaking alpha, or just starting fight unlcoaked.
If a Bortasqu loses to a Jem Dread ever, the pilot must be completley incompotent and not know his ship. The Bortasqu will put out more firepower and has more tankiness then the Jem Dread, and will have no problems keeping its DHC on a target like that. Most Jem Dreads I attack with my bortasqu only last a few seconds before the fight is already over from a decloaking alpha from a tac buffed auto cannon and/or CRF.
Can I have some of whatever substance you are on? Must be some really good stuff for you to come up with that.
Bortasqu easily outclasses Jem dreadnought in pve and pvp, I have gotten into many 1v1 fights with them and never have a problem quickly dispatching the Jem'hadar "Dreanought" with a Bortasqu, whether using a decloaking alpha, or just starting fight unlcoaked.
If a Bortasqu loses to a Jem Dread ever, the pilot must be completley incompotent and not know his ship. The Bortasqu will put out more firepower and has more tankiness then the Jem Dread, and will have no problems keeping its DHC on a target like that. Most Jem Dreads I attack with my bortasqu only last a few seconds before the fight is already over from a decloaking alpha from a tac buffed auto cannon and/or CRF.
Wow, someone who actually has a clue.
:cool:
And I'm at 23 dread kills, now. (PVP) 0 deaths due to dread. 1 death due to Jem Attack Ship.
Yeah never have and never will die to a Jem "dreadnought" in my Bortasqu, and only have died to that ship when I am piloting something else and it happens to be in the group of people focusing me.
This is my build for tac captain in tac bortasqu, tanks anything in pve like donatra or tac cubes, solos regular cubes in elite in seconds, and quickly dispatches players in kerrat with decloak alpha.
Lt Cmdr Tac- TT1, CRF1, APO1
Lt Tac- TT1, CRF1
Cmdr eng- EPTW1, Aux2SIF1, EPTS3, DEM3 (may switch EPTS and EPTW around with new changes)
Lt Sci- HE1, TSS2
Ens Sci- Tractor 1
(boffs all romulan)
4 DHC
4 Turrets
Omega Deflector
Omega Engines
Elite Shields or HG
Eng Consoles
1 Neutronium, and Romulan, Borg and temporal consoles, or Bortasqu 3 pack consoles sometimes
Sci console- Leech
tac consoles, 5 disruptor induction coil
You can switch a turret out for cutting beam for omega 2 pc bonus but I find I don't need it with leech and eptw
Doffs 3x damage control engineer, 2x attack pattern doffs ( or evasive doffs if you dont have them)
Yeah never have and never will die to a Jem "dreadnought" in my Bortasqu, and only have died to that ship when I am piloting something else and it happens to be in the group of people focusing me.
This is my build for tac captain in tac bortasqu, tanks anything in pve like donatra or tac cubes, solos regular cubes in elite in seconds, and quickly dispatches players in kerrat with decloak alpha.
Lt Cmdr Tac- TT1, CRF1, APO1
Lt Tac- TT1, CRF1
Cmdr eng- EPTW1, Aux2SIF1, EPTS3, DEM3 (may switch EPTS and EPTW around with new changes)
Lt Sci- HE1, TSS2
Ens Sci- Tractor 1
(boffs all romulan)
4 DHC
4 Turrets
Omega Deflector
Omega Engines
Elite Shields or HG
Eng Consoles
1 Neutronium, and Romulan, Borg and temporal consoles, or Bortasqu 3 pack consoles sometimes
Sci console- Leech
tac consoles, 5 disruptor induction coil
You can switch a turret out for cutting beam for omega 2 pc bonus but I find I don't need it with leech and eptw
My Command Cruiser has a similiar build, still grinding to get the mk XI Omega Gear....
Bortasqu' is by far the best ship I've ever flown next to my Guramba, and HoH'SuS.
Although I am also starting to fall in love with subspace jump.
Snare to start with, followed by Jump after. It pisses escorts off, but makes life pretty easy in the mobility department. Especially since they don't share cooldowns.:D
I have 25 player run dread kills. 0 deaths due to a dread.
And that Tally doesn't include my 16 - 0 Player run Oddyssey kills.
KDF Flag ship is by far the best flagship in the game.
My Command Cruiser has a similiar build, still grinding to get the mk XI Omega Gear....
Bortasqu' is by far the best ship I've ever flown next to my Guramba, and HoH'SuS.
Although I am also starting to fall in love with subspace jump.
Snare to start with, followed by Jump after. It pisses escorts off, but makes life pretty easy in the mobility department. Especially since they don't share cooldowns.:D
I have 25 player run dread kills. 0 deaths due to a dread.
And that Tally doesn't include my 16 - 0 Player run Oddyssey kills.
KDF Flag ship is by far the best flagship in the game.
Haven't kept track of my kills, but I target Oddys and Jem dreads all the time due to them being easy to keep in DHC firing arc if they get lucky and manage to surive the first few seconds of my alpha. I also like targeting those ships to show the Bortasqu is the boss of the big ships, the real dreadnought. Funny how the Oddy sell so much better and lots of people say its better, but none I find ever stand a chance against a Bortasqu.
Haven't kept track of my kills, but I target Oddys and Jem dreads all the time due to them being easy to keep in DHC firing arc if they get lucky and manage to surive the first few seconds of my alpha. I also like targeting those ships to show the Bortasqu is the boss of the big ships, the real dreadnought. Funny how the Oddy sell so much better and lots of people say its better, but none I find ever stand a chance against a Bortasqu.
I normally target larger cruisers, and science ships. (I find science ships to be a bigger threat than the Escorts) Most of the time when working to support the main group, Escorts typically don't make much of a difference. (Been swarmed by attack ships at escorts several times so far, 19 out of about 20 times roughly I came out unscathed)
Bad players who don't get how to play a ship to its strengths are usually the ones whining and crying how bad it is. Overall, I am very satisfied with my $50 purchase. All in all, I wouldn't mind if they made more versions of it lol.
What I would like, is a Bortasqu' Flag Cruiser. with 5 tac, 5 engineer, 5 science slots, that allows access to the exchange, etc. on the ship itself. That ship by itself for those slots I'd gladly shell out another $50 just for that one ship. They could even make an Oddyssey Flag Cruiser as well for all I care.
But as a battering ram, no ship is better than the Bortasqu'.
Can I have some of whatever substance you are on? Must be some really good stuff for you to come up with that.
Bortasqu easily outclasses Jem dreadnought in pve and pvp, I have gotten into many 1v1 fights with them and never have a problem quickly dispatching the Jem'hadar "Dreanought" with a Bortasqu, whether using a decloaking alpha, or just starting fight unlcoaked.
If a Bortasqu loses to a Jem Dread ever, the pilot must be completley incompotent and not know his ship. The Bortasqu will put out more firepower and has more tankiness then the Jem Dread, and will have no problems keeping its DHC on a target like that. Most Jem Dreads I attack with my bortasqu only last a few seconds before the fight is already over from a decloaking alpha from a tac buffed auto cannon and/or CRF.
What's the dps on your Hoh'sus pet?
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Funny how the Oddy sell so much better and lots of people say its better, but none I find ever stand a chance against a Bortasqu.
If Feds had the option of using the Bort, maybe they would, but that's not a choice. KDF are spoiled with the maneuverability of battle cruisers compared to Fed cruisers, which is why an Oddy is considered a "good" ship while many people consider the Bort to be "bad." It's relative to the other choices. The fact that you do well against Feds by decloaking and alpha striking means that the Bort does what you want it to do, but doesn't say that it does it better than some other KDF ship could.
Given a choice I'd still take a Jem Dread over a Bort any day of the week, but I'm doing PvE and not PvP, so my focus is on steady damage over 5-10 minutes rather than a killing burst. I like being able to set 8 Danubes or 12 Scorpions on my target while I'm wheeling around at full speed beaming it to death.
If Feds had the option of using the Bort, maybe they would, but that's not a choice. KDF are spoiled with the maneuverability of battle cruisers compared to Fed cruisers, which is why an Oddy is considered a "good" ship while many people consider the Bort to be "bad." It's relative to the other choices. The fact that you do well against Feds by decloaking and alpha striking means that the Bort does what you want it to do, but doesn't say that it does it better than some other KDF ship could.
Given a choice I'd still take a Jem Dread over a Bort any day of the week, but I'm doing PvE and not PvP, so my focus is on steady damage over 5-10 minutes rather than a killing burst. I like being able to set 8 Danubes or 12 Scorpions on my target while I'm wheeling around at full speed beaming it to death.
I can't think of a single ship that can do what the Bortasqu' can do better.
With additional chance of a crit. Alpha strike, etc.
Bortasqu' outclasses the other KDF cruisers.
The Bortasqu' is a Battleship quite frankly, and not a Cruiser. Like the Dread, it demands a different style of play and a different outlook.
Even in PVE, the Bortasqu' out performs the dread.
Comments
In addition, my ownership of the Dread has little bearing on how wildly inaccurate your claims are.
If you had any confidence in what you claim you would fight me no matter what I flew. But you know you're wrong.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Trolls gonna troll.
Oh, wait... Absolutely identical... well then flying one should provide the same insight as flying the other, unless in your parallel universe the words "absolutely" and "identical" have different meanings in the same manner as your numbers.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Trolls gonna troll.:rolleyes:
Just so we're clear the order of events went like this:
You post wild claims including:
A 10kdps Bortas deployable
+12 to Targeting = +4% crit rate
I call you out on your bad math.
You challenge me.
I accept.
You p**** out.
You call me a troll.
Yup, looks about right. Keep in mind that you decided to post your "2 cents" publicly and subsequently refused to support your fantastic numbers. Around here we take accurate values seriously, expect a rough once-over if you're wrong and refuse to deal in reality. Hi and welcome. But yeah, I'm the troll, whatever helps you sleep.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
I Will Kill You All In My Miranda Come Get Someeeeeee
Here you go! Pre-LoR Edition (Ker'rat Only!)
Bortasqu' Tactical w/ Tac Captain
Traits - Accurate, Elusive, Astrophysicist, Warp Theorist
Passives
New Rom - Precision, Sensor Targeting Assault, (QSM)
Omega - Omega Weapon Training, Omega Graviton Amplifier
TT1, CRF1, APO1
TT1, BO2
THY1
EPtS1, RSP1, EPtW3, DEM3
TSS1, HE2
3x Operative, 2x Subterfuge
DOFFs - SE(DEM), 2x Conn(AP), EWO(C), EWO(B)
Deflector - Omega Mk XII
Engine - Omega Mk XII
Shields - Omega Mk XII
Weapons
Fore - Omega Torp, Elite Fleet Dual Disruptor Beam Bank Mk XII [Acc][Dmg]x2[SDisrupt], 2x Elite Fleet Disruptor Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Acc][Dmg]x2[SDisrupt]
Aft - Cutting Beam, 3x Elite Fleet Disruptor Turret Mk XII [Acc][Dmg]x2[SDisrupt]
Consoles
Tac - 5x Disruptor Induction Coil Mk XII
Eng - Borg, 0Point, Tachyo, Leech
Sci - Romulan Flow Mk XII [Pla]
Devices - SFM, RMC, Eng Batt, Wep Batt
Course, I wouldn't fly it. Don't have a Bort'...deleted the toons that had the free one a long time ago. Just wanted to contribute. I normally offer a disclaimer to ignore my builds as flaky...but that wouldn't be in the spirit of the thread, am I right?
If you have the Bortasqu' pack, don't fly the Tac one, fly the SCIENCE!
The only thing you LOSE is that one of your tac consoles is instead a second science console. So you lose an induction coil, but what you gain is worth at least as much. Look closely, the Science version Bortasqu' gets Sensor Analysis. (In fact, Science Bort and Science Oddy are the only ships with 8 guns that get SA)
Sensor Analysis is the ability they added to boost Sci vessel dps, that gives you a +3% damage bonus per second you spend targeting an enemy, up to +33%. You WILL notice the improvement of damage with sensor analysis over the 5th Disruptor Induction Coil, and the spare science console gives you room for another Romulan console or +shields (Or just stick a universal console there)
I call you a troll because you, in fact, are a troll. You comment on ships you know nothing about, I sincerely doubt you even have the three pack to begin with. Just by your demeaner in discussing the ships, it's heavily doubtful you even have the 200 FC Bortas. I challeneged you to jump into your Dread, and I'll make you the 18th dread player I've killed. Only to find, you don't even have a dread, and refer to the dread as a piece of TRIBBLE even.
You have no room to even be part of any discussion at all in this thread, you have no relevant knowledge of either ship, let alone no experience at all in PVP with either ship.
You are, in every effect, a troll.
You have yet to reconcile your wildly inaccurate claims regarding the math which governs this game. It is not trolling to correct misinformation.
You posted your "2 cents" for all to comment upon. The comments from me are that your builds are terrible. Had I left it at that simple statement, I could be called a troll, however I gave you specific points to which you could respond, to review:
-Quad cannons are TRIBBLE
-DCs are TRIBBLE
-Beam arrays in the rear paired with cannons are plain dumb
-The Hoh'sus pet is TRIBBLE
Why don't you respond to the content of the criticism rather than attacking my character? Post a vid of the Hoh'sus doing the impossible, namely killing a player. Explain why your Quad cannons aren't a liability, etc, etc...
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Because you're a troll.
Once again, child, correcting misinformation does not make me a troll.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Nothings misinformation.
You are a troll.
Nah, not at all, I choose to not argue, because he has no experience, and it'll go nowhere.
I read that somewhere and it is still correct. I think this guy knows he lost so he's just dragging it out.
^^
How on planet earth is this trolling he's right on every point you don't need the ship to know this you only have had to entered the pug ques of any content be it PVE or PVP to have found these facts out
Quad cannons - although their tooltip says they so the same or more dps the don't, they run DMG modifiers which basically mean nothing in the grand scheme of things an uncommon dhc will out damage them and it won't sup away a ships life blood ENGINE POWER
DC - I'm not even going to explain how dhcs have an inherent critd modifier and therefore do a lot more damage than te equivilant dc 'nuff said
Beam arrays in the rear coupled with cannons in the front is this a joke? Did someone actually do this and still continues to do this???
The hosus or any pet wouldnt even be able to solo a players t2 bop unless it was flown by a delinquent and even then chances are they were afk making a cup of hot cocoa and unable to hit any heals
This is not trolling this is trying to help you to stop saying mad things and be a better player in turn but if your not interested that's fine just don't say someone is a troll when they are clearly more correct than you!!!!
If you don't have the ship, you have no room to even discuss the ship.
Quad Cannons with damage buff of 14.5% deals greater damage any Dual Heavy Cannons, run a parse data program to compare DPS overall. (I did)
DC, don't care for Dual Cannons, I use a Dual Cannon for the sake of torps and fighters.
Beam Arrays work fine when a ship crosses to the aft. More effective than the Turrets in a lot of areas.
HoH'SuS BoP parses out at 10k DPS. from launch to recall.
He is a troll for an intents and purposes, if you don't have the ship, you have no room to even discuss the ship.
what an absurd argument, a ship is a collection of stats, nothing more. its a station setup, turn rate, hitpoint and shield modifier, and inertia score. thats it. anyone who has been around as long as ricky knows how those stats will work together in game play, you obviously so you dont have that talent yet.
the specialization skills buff crit, not accuracy, only the targeting skill effects accuracy. in the attack tab of your ships character screen you can actually see what your ships acc score is, and crit scores. if you want to know what specing into specialization is doing, look here, this is how much it ads to beam and torp damage
https://home.comcast.net/~amicus/Skill%20Point%20Effects.htm
the only place quad cannons have any chance of out DPSing a DHC is if it is fired at a gate in an stf. delivering damage DHC sysle, as spike, can blow down shield faceings and expose hull, something quads cant do as well. dps is meaningless compared to effective damage. that gate is also not going to be moving, another important factor for ether big fat ship. its not going to be able to shoot anything actually moving with them.
That's fine, I'm the idiot, so prove it. Post up your math, build, and crazy assertions in the PvP section and let the people with actual experience weigh in.
And for the record, this isn't just about epeen, you're making wild claims and advocating dropping $50 on something supported by things that are demonstrably untrue.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Can I have some of whatever substance you are on? Must be some really good stuff for you to come up with that.
Bortasqu easily outclasses Jem dreadnought in pve and pvp, I have gotten into many 1v1 fights with them and never have a problem quickly dispatching the Jem'hadar "Dreanought" with a Bortasqu, whether using a decloaking alpha, or just starting fight unlcoaked.
If a Bortasqu loses to a Jem Dread ever, the pilot must be completley incompotent and not know his ship. The Bortasqu will put out more firepower and has more tankiness then the Jem Dread, and will have no problems keeping its DHC on a target like that. Most Jem Dreads I attack with my bortasqu only last a few seconds before the fight is already over from a decloaking alpha from a tac buffed auto cannon and/or CRF.
Wow, someone who actually has a clue.
:cool:
And I'm at 23 dread kills, now. (PVP) 0 deaths due to dread. 1 death due to Jem Attack Ship.
25 Player run Dread kills now.
This is my build for tac captain in tac bortasqu, tanks anything in pve like donatra or tac cubes, solos regular cubes in elite in seconds, and quickly dispatches players in kerrat with decloak alpha.
Lt Cmdr Tac- TT1, CRF1, APO1
Lt Tac- TT1, CRF1
Cmdr eng- EPTW1, Aux2SIF1, EPTS3, DEM3 (may switch EPTS and EPTW around with new changes)
Lt Sci- HE1, TSS2
Ens Sci- Tractor 1
(boffs all romulan)
4 DHC
4 Turrets
Omega Deflector
Omega Engines
Elite Shields or HG
Eng Consoles
1 Neutronium, and Romulan, Borg and temporal consoles, or Bortasqu 3 pack consoles sometimes
Sci console- Leech
tac consoles, 5 disruptor induction coil
You can switch a turret out for cutting beam for omega 2 pc bonus but I find I don't need it with leech and eptw
Doffs 3x damage control engineer, 2x attack pattern doffs ( or evasive doffs if you dont have them)
My Command Cruiser has a similiar build, still grinding to get the mk XI Omega Gear....
Bortasqu' is by far the best ship I've ever flown next to my Guramba, and HoH'SuS.
Although I am also starting to fall in love with subspace jump.
Snare to start with, followed by Jump after. It pisses escorts off, but makes life pretty easy in the mobility department. Especially since they don't share cooldowns.:D
I have 25 player run dread kills. 0 deaths due to a dread.
And that Tally doesn't include my 16 - 0 Player run Oddyssey kills.
KDF Flag ship is by far the best flagship in the game.
Haven't kept track of my kills, but I target Oddys and Jem dreads all the time due to them being easy to keep in DHC firing arc if they get lucky and manage to surive the first few seconds of my alpha. I also like targeting those ships to show the Bortasqu is the boss of the big ships, the real dreadnought. Funny how the Oddy sell so much better and lots of people say its better, but none I find ever stand a chance against a Bortasqu.
I normally target larger cruisers, and science ships. (I find science ships to be a bigger threat than the Escorts) Most of the time when working to support the main group, Escorts typically don't make much of a difference. (Been swarmed by attack ships at escorts several times so far, 19 out of about 20 times roughly I came out unscathed)
Bad players who don't get how to play a ship to its strengths are usually the ones whining and crying how bad it is. Overall, I am very satisfied with my $50 purchase. All in all, I wouldn't mind if they made more versions of it lol.
What I would like, is a Bortasqu' Flag Cruiser. with 5 tac, 5 engineer, 5 science slots, that allows access to the exchange, etc. on the ship itself. That ship by itself for those slots I'd gladly shell out another $50 just for that one ship. They could even make an Oddyssey Flag Cruiser as well for all I care.
But as a battering ram, no ship is better than the Bortasqu'.
What's the dps on your Hoh'sus pet?
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
If Feds had the option of using the Bort, maybe they would, but that's not a choice. KDF are spoiled with the maneuverability of battle cruisers compared to Fed cruisers, which is why an Oddy is considered a "good" ship while many people consider the Bort to be "bad." It's relative to the other choices. The fact that you do well against Feds by decloaking and alpha striking means that the Bort does what you want it to do, but doesn't say that it does it better than some other KDF ship could.
Given a choice I'd still take a Jem Dread over a Bort any day of the week, but I'm doing PvE and not PvP, so my focus is on steady damage over 5-10 minutes rather than a killing burst. I like being able to set 8 Danubes or 12 Scorpions on my target while I'm wheeling around at full speed beaming it to death.
I can't think of a single ship that can do what the Bortasqu' can do better.
With additional chance of a crit. Alpha strike, etc.
Bortasqu' outclasses the other KDF cruisers.
The Bortasqu' is a Battleship quite frankly, and not a Cruiser. Like the Dread, it demands a different style of play and a different outlook.
Even in PVE, the Bortasqu' out performs the dread.