Except ANY person with purple mk XII weapons of the same energy type, and matching energy type consoles, provided all the other items are the same.
Rainbow all you want in normal STFs, I can pretty much solo those, but the elites? Keep the rainbows out.
Note : Andorian/fed phasers, chroniton beam/Antiprotons, Romulan plasma/plasma, spiral waves/disruptors and Kinetic cutting beam do NOT count as rainbows.
Could not disagree more. If you can't put up with people having rainbows in PvE (yeah, Hive aside I'll give you that) elites you should 'go home' as much as they should. I will never disagree with the idea of not having rainbows in PvP but since PvE is a joke unless you're in the worlds worst pug there is no basis to complain about them there.
Mainly looking at the ships and fleets out there that are running the rainbow set up its mainly a european thing and i assume someone is giving bad info out their to get their fleet mates to run the rainbow. I personally ran it because i didnt have the weps but then i got 1 type and got consoles to boost the power out put and with the new plasma infuser consoles you can run anything and get a duel proc. SO the main question we all ask here is WHY RUN THE RAINBOW is stf when it hurts your dps and that means failed optionals and a longer time in there.
The "all one Energy" thing seems to be mainly elitists and those from southern California (Seriously all six people I know from There run "pure Polaron" or "pure Anti proton" ships)
We european types tend to be less open to peer pressure I guess
I often mount a Tet along side disruptors and it WORKS I can match Dpe with pretty much anyone and out gun most Escorts.
Tet + plasma is not such a good mix
Some of us use consoles to maximise our Torpedoes not our guns
i love my bug rainbow :P useing it about a week now for estfs still out dps most ov the teams but pvp is another thing wouldnt use my rainbow in that. nothing wrong with a nice rainbow in pve in my eyes
Could not disagree more. If you can't put up with people having rainbows in PvE (yeah, Hive aside I'll give you that) elites you should 'go home' as much as they should. I will never disagree with the idea of not having rainbows in PvP but since PvE is a joke unless you're in the worlds worst pug there is no basis to complain about them there.
So, petty name calling eh? That says all I need to know about you, and all the consideration your post deserves.
And just because you can deal with them, why should you?
What's next, saying that I'm the bad player for being mad at AFK leechers at STFs? Yes, I should totally be happy because I can fight their parts too while they do nothing.
How could I have thought otherwise.. :rolleyes: Maybe I should give them the rewards I get for doing the mission, because they were so nice as to let me do it all by myself?
Oh pardon me that I expect contributions from my team mates. How could I be so evil!
A rainbow build will *always* be worse then a same energy type as long as you got any energy tactical consoles.
I guess a torpedo boat with 2 tactical slots using torpedoes is different, but that one is a lost cause energy damage wise anyway. So they can use rainbows to troll other people.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
So, petty name calling eh? That says all I need to know about you, and all the consideration your post deserves.
And just because you can deal with them, why should you?
What's next, saying that I'm the bad player for being mad at AFK leechers at STFs? Yes, I should totally be happy because I can fight their parts too while they do nothing.
How could I have thought otherwise.. :rolleyes: Maybe I should give them the rewards I get for doing the mission, because they were so nice as to let me do it all by myself?
Oh pardon me that I expect contributions from my team mates. How could I be so evil!
A rainbow build will *always* be worse then a same energy type as long as you got any energy tactical consoles.
I guess a torpedo boat with 2 tactical slots using torpedoes is different, but that one is a lost cause energy damage wise anyway. So they can use rainbows to troll other people.
At what point did I throw an insult at you? I simply put your own point back across to you and I quote you: 'Rainbow all you want in normal STFs, I can pretty much solo those, but the elites? Keep the rainbows out.'
So you are happy to solo normal STFs eh? But you say above you expect other to contribute... Make your mind up, because you either had a really bad attempt at sarcasm here or you really don't mind putting the grunt work into normal STFs which can be done by a couple of skilled players anyways and your reason for arguing otherwise is moot.
For clarification, a rainbow build will *always* be worse than an all energy build *IF* said person with build actually knows what they are doing. Tactics play a huge part is STF play in particular, and missions in general. As someone else pointed out, you should be able to get a team of 5 in Mk X common gear who can complete an STF (with difficulty and dying a few times mind) just because they know the tactics. The whole reason I added my PvP disclaimer at the end was because PvP has no set tactics like PvE does.
Tl:dr - I didn't insult you, take what you wish from it since others can appreciate the points I made without resorting to claiming foul play simply because they disagree.
Couple of edits for clarification: 1) if you compare AFK players who put out zero damage to those who use rainbows, potentially put out more than yourself and make this as a genuine point I won't even reply in future since anyone making this point is trolling.
2) If you want to see my 'go home' comment as an insult please, do - because either you don't understand the game mechanics of how someone can make an effective rainbow build and should research the topic before passing further judgement on it or you're annoyed that rainbow ships are outperforming you, in which case it is not anyone's fault but your own that this happens since you control your own build.
I run a Phased Polaron and Tetryon escort with proton rear beam arrays. my standard weapon energy level is 122, down to between 102-112 firing my forward weapons. :rolleyes:
My Tac Consoles buff all beam weapons, and having the different energy type effects beats down my target.
Beam overload 2 + high yield torpedoes 3 + Alpha & Omega attack patterns usually = a single pass kill.
Last PVP match I played, I went 29-5. so please tell me how having multiple weapon types hurts?
Yeah, things like the cutting beam or the experimental romulan beam (which drains no power, so is fine even on non-plasma setups) can make an otherwise single-type build look colorful. Same thing with andorian/regular phasers and son on. It can make for a lot of false positives if you're just eyeballing random ships.
I like how you quoted my post but totally ignored my main point.
Weapon power drain has nothing to do with energy type, so the romulan experimental plasma beam is just as dumb as any other off-energy type beam because they share the one downside: you can't boost them with the same console.
I can't understand the anger towards rainbow users.
It's a common and highly visible indicator of incompetence. The anger is not towards rainbows but ineffective teammates.
Most people, once aware of how the mechanics work, will go with single energy types. While there are those deliberately using rainbow boats, the vast majority are doing so out of ignorance.
Yes, I see the point myself, but I can't understand the anger towards rainbow users. It is still a game at the end.
On enemy teams, I love it when someone is ignorant enough to use rainbows, that means he doesn't have any tac consoles to really buff his/her damage output. For Escorts, it nearly cripples them.
Yesterday I didn't lose a single PVP battle, out of 22 I participated in. Me and a few buds completely laid waste to them. But on STFs we ran into fed escorts doing this rainbow TRIBBLE, and essentially making them deadweight to the team.
Had they been on opposing team, we wouldn't have cared as much, but on the same team. You're essentially saying "TRIBBLE you guys, I don't care about anything in this STF".
I run a Phased Polaron and Tetryon escort with proton rear beam arrays. my standard weapon energy level is 122, down to between 102-112 firing my forward weapons. :rolleyes:
My Tac Consoles buff all beam weapons, and having the different energy type effects beats down my target.
Beam overload 2 + high yield torpedoes 3 + Alpha & Omega attack patterns usually = a single pass kill.
Last PVP match I played, I went 29-5. so please tell me how having multiple weapon types hurts?
lol at this guy..
all I see in this thread is 'derp' punctuated by more 'derp' followed up by 'derp' with a smattering of 'derp' thrown in for 'derp'.
hurrrrrrrrr
Well, after all the hate I see towards disco balls I just wanted to prove to myself that an effective Rainbow Cruiser could be created and be useful in elite STF's, thus the USS TasteTheRainbow was born. I run a Fleet Excelsior with 4 purple MK XII Directed Energy tac consoles and can handle elites just fine...yes I could do a little better if I switch to all one energy type (which I do on my other alts) but that's not the point. TasteTheRainbow is an aux2bat build, puts out decent dps, tanks and draws aggro quite well. The only "mistake" I made was doing this on a sci instead of an eng. I currently use the doff that gives +200 weapon power drain resistance every time DEM is used, which helps greatly, but having that additional Nadion Inversion would be nice.
And it sure is pretty when I fire off FAW3
Oh, forgot to mention, my build inspired one of my fleet mates to do the same with his escort.
It's a common and highly visible indicator of incompetence. The anger is not towards rainbows but ineffective teammates.
Most people, once aware of how the mechanics work, will go with single energy types. While there are those deliberately using rainbow boats, the vast majority are doing so out of ignorance.
indicators of incompetence
Needing mk XII purple everything for a STF
Calling someone a Noob for doing things one of the alternate ways
Bringing a shuttle to a cruiser fight
You should get the chroniton beam bank and chroniton torpedos. The are so nicely colorful by itself. I am always happy to see torpedo spread with chronitons
Just wondering if someone mixed up chronos with chromos....
Now now, we've all heard stories from a fleet mates sisters cousins best friend who took his Type 8 into a Hive elite and owned that shizz!
lol, but I actually did take my TOS shuttle into an elite ISE back before they fixed that, did it entirely by accident as I had just done Operation Gamma and forgot to switch back to my MVAM. Lucky for me it was a full team of fleet mates. I fought and died many times (this was also before the moronic increasing respawn timer change) , but it was definitely a fun and unique experience.
My fleet mate uses a Wells with rainbow energy weapons. And he's got some nice videos of killing some prominent PvP players (some within 1 or 2 mins). And he runs his energy weapon level at minimum power.
I call it a rainbow energy weapon build, but really, he only has two energy weapons; Romulan experimental array and the chroniton beam bank. He only uses them for the plasma DOT and controlling movement, not damage. Also, to complete his 3-piece sets for the Romulan and Temporal sets.
With the exception of his ridiculously effective build, I agree that rainbow energy builds are not as nearly as effective as a single energy type. That being said, you're welcome to play the game as you see fit and no one can say otherwise. And for those who are complaining about their usefulness in STFs, if it bothers you that much, equip the APD DOFF and make them the Borg's favorite target for the rest of the match.
I run Full rainbows on my atrox, very rare versions, one of every type, yes that includes antiproton... i do this for the ability to mess with their systems and drain shields while my fighters go in with their torpedos... Not such a great build for PVP cause EVERYONE does builds for pure damage, and knows the atrox is a slow easy target, but for PVE or 1v1 it does alot of work...
I can see how it may raise eyebrows cause the rainbows themselves don't do much damage alone, but having the fighters there with me makes it worth while... now running rainbows and not having anything to give real damage, i can't really see why that would be helpfull at all...
My fleet mate uses a Wells with rainbow energy weapons. And he's got some nice videos of killing some prominent PvP players (some within 1 or 2 mins). And he runs his energy weapon level at minimum power.
I call it a rainbow energy weapon build, but really, he only has two energy weapons; Romulan experimental array and the chroniton beam bank. He only uses them for the plasma DOT and controlling movement, not damage. Also, to complete his 3-piece sets for the Romulan and Temporal sets.
With the exception of his ridiculously effective build, I agree that rainbow energy builds are not as nearly as effective as a single energy type. That being said, you're welcome to play the game as you see fit and no one can say otherwise. And for those who are complaining about their usefulness in STFs, if it bothers you that much, equip the APD DOFF and make them the Borg's favorite target for the rest of the match.
Yeah, I can see how a rainbow build would not effect a torpedo+mine layer boat much, that has only a few tac console slots, and uses them all for torpedo damage type consoles.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
If you are a competent player with a rainbow build, good for you. But I suggest you develop a thick skin.
No one has every said anything to me when I've used my rainbow ships. I've taken my rainbow escort into estfs and even there no one has said anything. Both my ships are clearly labeled as well. My escort is I.S.S. Skittles and my cruiser I.S.S.Rainbow Brite. I actually take these ships into estfs hoping someone will say something...
No one has every said anything to me when I've used my rainbow ships. I've taken my rainbow escort into estfs and even there no one has said anything. Both my ships are clearly labeled as well. My escort is I.S.S. Skittles and my cruiser I.S.S.Rainbow Brite. I actually take these ships into estfs hoping someone will say something...
Same here, and the reason I named my ship USS TasteTheRainbow. Lets other players know that I know what I'm doing with the disco effect.
Ha, all we need now is a fleet called Over the Rainbow and members only fly rainbows and skittles
Hehe, when I fly a torp boat I throw on as many different energy types as I can to irritate the purists...
I've found that some of the rainbow boats are not true rainbows, tho. It's interesting to find a ship with Spiral waves, polarized disruptors, and a KCB. Looks rainbow, actually rocks.
And if you want a ton of procs without flying a rainbow boat, try this on for size:
Atrox
Polarized Disruptors
Plasma proc console
Omega graviton proc skill
Omega 2pc
DEM
Stalkers
Runabouts or peregrines
You get to proc polaron, distruptor, plamsa, Omega kinetic, tet glider, DEM, tetyron, and phaser... without losing efficiency!
I once again match my character. Behold the power of PINK!
Fleet Admiral Space Orphidian Possiblities Wizard
I've found that some of the rainbow boats are not true rainbows, tho. It's interesting to find a ship with Spiral waves, polarized disruptors, and a KCB. Looks rainbow, actually rocks.
I've found that some people just pick up on the rainbow hate without understanding why, or even actually hating rainbow ships.
I had a few Fleetmates complain about a "rainbow" Wells with us (though we did the eSTF fairly effortlessly) and when I looked I saw it was using Anti-Proton DBBs and a single DBB that didn't match - which led me to conclude it was the Chroniton Dual Beam Array, and my parser verified it. That Wells was easily 2nd or 3rd in terms of DPS that run, above at least one of the whiners.
I'm trying out a new build so far its been good, I can rip through just about anything and do ok in PvP, http://gateway.startrekonline.com/#char%28Dew@crownvic2door%29/ship/equipment Replace the mines with the cutting beam I have yet to test the old Antiproton Beam Array Mk XII [Acc] [CrtH] [Borg] to see if it processes during PvE
For all the types of procs? Phaser/Plasma/Antiproton/Kinetic beam...And if it still works, the [Borg] Radiation.
On my other ship the Breen I use Fleet disruptor and Proc plasma thanks to the Romulans and the cutting beam. I'd like to add that if it doesn't have [Acc] then it is essentially useless, I chose the wrong Fleet DHC's and learned that no matter how much damage you throw it doesn't matter if it doesn't hit the target!!!
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Could not disagree more. If you can't put up with people having rainbows in PvE (yeah, Hive aside I'll give you that) elites you should 'go home' as much as they should. I will never disagree with the idea of not having rainbows in PvP but since PvE is a joke unless you're in the worlds worst pug there is no basis to complain about them there.
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We european types tend to be less open to peer pressure I guess
I often mount a Tet along side disruptors and it WORKS I can match Dpe with pretty much anyone and out gun most Escorts.
Tet + plasma is not such a good mix
Some of us use consoles to maximise our Torpedoes not our guns
So, petty name calling eh? That says all I need to know about you, and all the consideration your post deserves.
And just because you can deal with them, why should you?
What's next, saying that I'm the bad player for being mad at AFK leechers at STFs? Yes, I should totally be happy because I can fight their parts too while they do nothing.
How could I have thought otherwise.. :rolleyes: Maybe I should give them the rewards I get for doing the mission, because they were so nice as to let me do it all by myself?
Oh pardon me that I expect contributions from my team mates. How could I be so evil!
A rainbow build will *always* be worse then a same energy type as long as you got any energy tactical consoles.
I guess a torpedo boat with 2 tactical slots using torpedoes is different, but that one is a lost cause energy damage wise anyway. So they can use rainbows to troll other people.
At what point did I throw an insult at you? I simply put your own point back across to you and I quote you: 'Rainbow all you want in normal STFs, I can pretty much solo those, but the elites? Keep the rainbows out.'
So you are happy to solo normal STFs eh? But you say above you expect other to contribute... Make your mind up, because you either had a really bad attempt at sarcasm here or you really don't mind putting the grunt work into normal STFs which can be done by a couple of skilled players anyways and your reason for arguing otherwise is moot.
For clarification, a rainbow build will *always* be worse than an all energy build *IF* said person with build actually knows what they are doing. Tactics play a huge part is STF play in particular, and missions in general. As someone else pointed out, you should be able to get a team of 5 in Mk X common gear who can complete an STF (with difficulty and dying a few times mind) just because they know the tactics. The whole reason I added my PvP disclaimer at the end was because PvP has no set tactics like PvE does.
Tl:dr - I didn't insult you, take what you wish from it since others can appreciate the points I made without resorting to claiming foul play simply because they disagree.
Couple of edits for clarification: 1) if you compare AFK players who put out zero damage to those who use rainbows, potentially put out more than yourself and make this as a genuine point I won't even reply in future since anyone making this point is trolling.
2) If you want to see my 'go home' comment as an insult please, do - because either you don't understand the game mechanics of how someone can make an effective rainbow build and should research the topic before passing further judgement on it or you're annoyed that rainbow ships are outperforming you, in which case it is not anyone's fault but your own that this happens since you control your own build.
My Tac Consoles buff all beam weapons, and having the different energy type effects beats down my target.
Beam overload 2 + high yield torpedoes 3 + Alpha & Omega attack patterns usually = a single pass kill.
Last PVP match I played, I went 29-5. so please tell me how having multiple weapon types hurts?
I like how you quoted my post but totally ignored my main point.
Weapon power drain has nothing to do with energy type, so the romulan experimental plasma beam is just as dumb as any other off-energy type beam because they share the one downside: you can't boost them with the same console.
It's a common and highly visible indicator of incompetence. The anger is not towards rainbows but ineffective teammates.
Most people, once aware of how the mechanics work, will go with single energy types. While there are those deliberately using rainbow boats, the vast majority are doing so out of ignorance.
On enemy teams, I love it when someone is ignorant enough to use rainbows, that means he doesn't have any tac consoles to really buff his/her damage output. For Escorts, it nearly cripples them.
Yesterday I didn't lose a single PVP battle, out of 22 I participated in. Me and a few buds completely laid waste to them. But on STFs we ran into fed escorts doing this rainbow TRIBBLE, and essentially making them deadweight to the team.
Had they been on opposing team, we wouldn't have cared as much, but on the same team. You're essentially saying "TRIBBLE you guys, I don't care about anything in this STF".
Do that in regular STFs, but not Elites.
lol at this guy..
all I see in this thread is 'derp' punctuated by more 'derp' followed up by 'derp' with a smattering of 'derp' thrown in for 'derp'.
hurrrrrrrrr
And it sure is pretty when I fire off FAW3
Oh, forgot to mention, my build inspired one of my fleet mates to do the same with his escort.
indicators of incompetence
Needing mk XII purple everything for a STF
Calling someone a Noob for doing things one of the alternate ways
Bringing a shuttle to a cruiser fight
You should get the chroniton beam bank and chroniton torpedos. The are so nicely colorful by itself. I am always happy to see torpedo spread with chronitons
Just wondering if someone mixed up chronos with chromos....
Now now, we've all heard stories from a fleet mates sisters cousins best friend who took his Type 8 into a Hive elite and owned that shizz!
lol, but I actually did take my TOS shuttle into an elite ISE back before they fixed that, did it entirely by accident as I had just done Operation Gamma and forgot to switch back to my MVAM. Lucky for me it was a full team of fleet mates. I fought and died many times (this was also before the moronic increasing respawn timer change) , but it was definitely a fun and unique experience.
If you are a competent player with a rainbow build, good for you. But I suggest you develop a thick skin.
I call it a rainbow energy weapon build, but really, he only has two energy weapons; Romulan experimental array and the chroniton beam bank. He only uses them for the plasma DOT and controlling movement, not damage. Also, to complete his 3-piece sets for the Romulan and Temporal sets.
With the exception of his ridiculously effective build, I agree that rainbow energy builds are not as nearly as effective as a single energy type. That being said, you're welcome to play the game as you see fit and no one can say otherwise. And for those who are complaining about their usefulness in STFs, if it bothers you that much, equip the APD DOFF and make them the Borg's favorite target for the rest of the match.
Haters gotta hate,
Do your thing Lake - I know you're just Jelly.
I'll 1V1 you anytime, look me up.
Agreed, and seconded.
After that, I actually start to care. With the exception of the Kinetic Cutting Beam, I run all one type.
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I can see how it may raise eyebrows cause the rainbows themselves don't do much damage alone, but having the fighters there with me makes it worth while... now running rainbows and not having anything to give real damage, i can't really see why that would be helpfull at all...
Yeah, I can see how a rainbow build would not effect a torpedo+mine layer boat much, that has only a few tac console slots, and uses them all for torpedo damage type consoles.
No one has every said anything to me when I've used my rainbow ships. I've taken my rainbow escort into estfs and even there no one has said anything. Both my ships are clearly labeled as well. My escort is I.S.S. Skittles and my cruiser I.S.S.Rainbow Brite. I actually take these ships into estfs hoping someone will say something...
Same here, and the reason I named my ship USS TasteTheRainbow. Lets other players know that I know what I'm doing with the disco effect.
Ha, all we need now is a fleet called Over the Rainbow and members only fly rainbows and skittles
I've found that some of the rainbow boats are not true rainbows, tho. It's interesting to find a ship with Spiral waves, polarized disruptors, and a KCB. Looks rainbow, actually rocks.
And if you want a ton of procs without flying a rainbow boat, try this on for size:
Atrox
Polarized Disruptors
Plasma proc console
Omega graviton proc skill
Omega 2pc
DEM
Stalkers
Runabouts or peregrines
You get to proc polaron, distruptor, plamsa, Omega kinetic, tet glider, DEM, tetyron, and phaser... without losing efficiency!
Fleet Admiral Space Orphidian Possiblities Wizard
Very few people knowingly choose to be worse. That's why it's a common symptom of incompetence.
You have my sympathies if you only see 2 colors when you look at rainbows. :P
I've found that some people just pick up on the rainbow hate without understanding why, or even actually hating rainbow ships.
I had a few Fleetmates complain about a "rainbow" Wells with us (though we did the eSTF fairly effortlessly) and when I looked I saw it was using Anti-Proton DBBs and a single DBB that didn't match - which led me to conclude it was the Chroniton Dual Beam Array, and my parser verified it. That Wells was easily 2nd or 3rd in terms of DPS that run, above at least one of the whiners.
For all the types of procs? Phaser/Plasma/Antiproton/Kinetic beam...And if it still works, the [Borg] Radiation.
On my other ship the Breen I use Fleet disruptor and Proc plasma thanks to the Romulans and the cutting beam. I'd like to add that if it doesn't have [Acc] then it is essentially useless, I chose the wrong Fleet DHC's and learned that no matter how much damage you throw it doesn't matter if it doesn't hit the target!!!