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Turrets and weapons in general. Remove or balance.
guilli88
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Tired of getting stuck in STF's with turret oddeseys.
Hello.
Anyone else agree the difference in damage between dual cannon/beam, beams and turrets is just too great?
It's hampering the quality of the game. Either the dps needs to be closer together (but still based on arcs, or remove turrets from the game entirely. Beams aren't exactly great either.
Why not add ship based bonuses either?
+25% damage to dual beams/cannons on escorts
+25% damage to beam arrays and single cannons on cruisers and science ships.
Turrets can then do more damage since they're unaffected by the ship bonusses.
Either way, something needs to change.
Seeing cruisers with turret setups do 100-200 damage per hit is HORRIBLE
Hello.
Anyone else agree the difference in damage between dual cannon/beam, beams and turrets is just too great?
It's hampering the quality of the game. Either the dps needs to be closer together (but still based on arcs, or remove turrets from the game entirely. Beams aren't exactly great either.
Why not add ship based bonuses either?
+25% damage to dual beams/cannons on escorts
+25% damage to beam arrays and single cannons on cruisers and science ships.
Turrets can then do more damage since they're unaffected by the ship bonusses.
Either way, something needs to change.
Seeing cruisers with turret setups do 100-200 damage per hit is HORRIBLE
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No buff/bonus are enough when people are bad players....
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
I hate to say it but this will simply lead to more cannon/turret cruisers because they will remain superior in terms of DPS than arrays
Yes it is but seeing that a properly built cannon cruiser will do more DPS than even the best min/maxed beamboat doing everything in its power to counter the drain is equally horrible
Well beam turrets would be nice to go with dbbs but otherwise i feel beams are fine. And much better looking then single cannons with turrets.
A good build is not a good build because you have dps or you do not have power draining when firing... Even if playing stf is simple if you have dps, you do not need 10k dps and a beamboat can have enough dps with no horrible power draining if properly built, moreover first of all you need to know how to play (ex. the 10% rule in ise, avoid cube spawning in kase if you can't manage it).
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
You want them to nerf stuff due to certain players having no idea how to set a ship up?
So everyone who does know how to set a ship up effectively suffers.
Food for thought. :rolleyes:
I never said anything about nerfing. I hinted at either making turret ships viable (or at least, a step up from useless) so people who chose a full turret setup don't hamper their team so much. An alternate idea could be to make turrets restricted to the aft weapon slots of the ship.
There's a huge issue with the game favouring dps right now. Particularly in the escort department.
By putting the different weapon systems more closely in dps (instead of 100dps difference between turrets and dual cannons for example). No one is saying anything about nerfing something. You have to realise there's a point when balance is the better term to call a change.
The game will not benefit if it becomes "Escort Trek Online". All ship and weapon types must be viable to some extent. The different between dual cannon/beam escorts and other weapon systems right now is just too large.
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Yesterday seemed to be the day of rainbow warriors. ISE was utterly atrocious, it looked like the skittle factory had exploded.
The point of turrets is they are weak unless buffed, they have a 360 degree arc, you nerf them to be nearly as powerful as a single cannon with a 180 degree firing arc, only the turret has a faster rate of fire, what do you think will suddenly get fitted to escorts!
I have seen an Atrox being very effective with 6 turrets fitted, in fact I have seen many turret ships being effective.
I'm an in awe though, people fit one of the weakest weapons available and expect it to perform like a DHC!
Dual weapon systems remain the same
Single weapon systems +5km range
Turrets +10km range.
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Nope. Nothing wrong. You just need to learn how to build a ship. Stop crying.
How is my ability to "learn to build a ship" going to change how other people build ships? If you're not going to bother reading and constructively commenting, don't comment at all. The tone of your comment really makes me question your emotional maturity. Unless you plan to add to the discussion, don't come near my thread.
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Where did I say 'your build'?
So read my posts correctly.
You say its not a nerf you want but it is a nerf, changing a damage output of a weapon to be closer to that of a narrower firing arc is a nerf, a nerf to 'help' the ones incapable of building skills and ships correctly!
You question my maturity yet resort to personal insults. I bet with my background and experience outside of the game, I can beat you at that too.
Truth. There are too many people lately crying that this or that needs to be nerfed so that their inability to play this game won't be highlighted. It's getting old. People like this won't be happy until they have an indestructible ship that kills everything within 10 km by it's mere presence.
I don't see that as a problem at all. Tactical consoles are the simplest consoles in the game. I don't think people are using them improperly. It's everything else that's getting complicated and getting the way for players. I can't even tell you how many times I've seen someone post their build on these forums and they are equipping an EPS Flow Regulator in their engineering slot, confident that it helps with their weapons power drain.
Nail, head right there.
Totally agreed. They also seem to be the ones in PVP that go up against a fully kitted out ship that has the best equipment in game, and they are butthurt they loose with mark x blue gear.
Other than that the fault of those who use turretboats in a STF is on the player not the turret.
R.I.P
I don't care if the hypothetical beam turrets ahve exactly the same stats as the cannon turrets, I just think adding them in would make dual beams better, and would offer greater flexibility with beams than just broadsiding.
Either they learn by themselves, or you teach them, or you avoid them. But there's no cure for stupid.
Besides I think that 'properly' fit, with rapid fire 3, pattern Beta and the right tac consoles, even a turret cruiser should do fine in STFs.
The problem is usually located in front of the screen.
Bingo. We have a winner.
A bad build is bad yes, but those traits (rainbow/turret/whatever) are not why they are bad.
Really though just learn to carry. I promise you their is someone out there that things your build is bad because you are only doing 8k DPS to his or her 14k DPS.
I'm not so sure. The real problem here has nothing to do with Turrets. As I learned to my horror when building my Vo'Quv, the game breaking problem is FaW being terrible.
Maybe if beamships were viable players wouldn't be turning to turrets just to get access to the Boff cannon skills.
I run a galor beam boat on my fed eng toon with no problems at all. It's very effective. I can keep my weapon power levels up above 100 90% of the time, even with FAW2 without sacrificing shields or maneuverability. It's all in the build and spec.
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I use a Defiant Retrofit i got from the C-store as a gift, i got Phaser DHCS and Turrets, waiting to actually get enough Dilithium for Antiproton full, the only part i am stuck on is 'Consoles'. I admit it, i am one of the worst Console Outfitters, i am neither good at this game, i'm getting better with the help of a guy, but what about consoles?
It's a pejorative aimed at folks who put multiple (usually three or more) damage types on a single ship, and in the process sacrifice a great deal of damage potential.
Because of the way damage type consoles are setup (damage type consoles are markedly superior to weapon type consoles) if you mix your damage types you're by definition reducing the amount of damage you do by a not insignificant margin.