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Beam Fire at Will bug also affecting Beam Overload?
istvaanshogaatsu
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Right, this has been bothering me for quite a while. I'm an accuracy trait captain, and I have some lovely [acc]x2 [dmg]x2 Advanced Fleet beam weapons. Well, they would be lovely... if every time I used Beam: Overload in PVP, it didn't miss.
I exaggerate slightly, but it really does feel as though whenever BO is used, my accuracy disappears. In PVE, this isn't an issue, but I've seen my beams go wide when targeting a huge-TRIBBLE cruiser in PVP. Could the B:FaW bug be affecting BO?
I exaggerate slightly, but it really does feel as though whenever BO is used, my accuracy disappears. In PVE, this isn't an issue, but I've seen my beams go wide when targeting a huge-TRIBBLE cruiser in PVP. Could the B:FaW bug be affecting BO?
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We investigated this when reviewing FAW's accuracy issues and can verify that BO definitely benefits from weapon-based Accuracy enhancements, as well as Captain-based enhancements.
I'm convinced that the complaints of low-accuracy BO shots is simply selective memory, or a form of confirmation bias. When you wind up for a bit hit, a miss hurts, and is far more memorable than any hit you've ever landed.
That said, we're considering adding a small +Acc buff in-line to all ranks of BO. We make no promises of this actually coming to pass, but it is being considered.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
such a change would be unecesary and unwecomed by seasoned pvpers. bo miss rate is par according to my extensive combat log analysis
every log ive parsed were i use BO has at least 10% less acc then the weapon it was fired with. small acc buff plz
your BOing is from a bop that specializes in stuns, holds and 1 shots if i recall correctly, your sample size is not going to be that large vs non BO shots
BO is already pretty accurate. 95%+ when we parse it. There was a time, a long while back, when it was far less accurate. Adding in an additional [ACC] buff is completely unnecessary.
But, this is with an accurate trait captain, and accX3 DBB.
8/10 would be great. But I'm not that ticked off about it.
95% when target is held or stunned maybe.
I get around 90% on a non-stun/hold bop and my defiant with ACCx2. It requires a bit of timing but I don't see a issue with that.
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Would it be possible to add "minor" versions of the modifiers to BOFF's themselves rather than the actual abilities they've been trained in?
Commanding Officer: Captain Pyotr Ramonovich Amosov
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I think you're right about the selective memory, and it's really a two part issue:
1) You lost a really important shot, and possibly a kill shot.
2) You crashed your weapon's power sacrificing the damage potential of your other weapons.
Pretty sure MT and Naz are at around that margin in premade matches. They can correct me if I'm wrong. I can see how the number would be lower in pug matches though (more escorts, more running, less control from team mates)
No wonder Cryptic can never do anything right for PVP, when people can never agree on things.
Oh I trust those two. I'm just saying.
Missing zippy escorts is one thing.
Missing a cruiser I'm 2 clicks away from is another. Something is off there.
R.I.P
But from what ive seen so far, doesnt seem different.
89% on BO3 with same DBB (accx3)
I try and take care not to BO a target that has APO, and I try and BO from within 5km, if that matters any.
Elite Defense Stovokor
What's your sample size on those figures? Number of shots with each?
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Well ideally acceleration would be what boosts your defense (including acceleration due to turning as well as slowing down/speeding up) since any simple targeting computer should be able to handle constant velocity. But that would be difficult to program so we're stuck with high speed == high defense.
But acc boosts/debuffs for range would make PvP interesting, especially if it is applied differently for different weapons. Has anyone parsed the supposed dmg buff/debuff for range?
Number of DBB swings = 1052
Number of BO3 swings in same period of time = 72
Let me add that my BO3 hit rate are equal to or slightly better than, my DHC hit rate (~85-90%). DHCs are accx2.
Elite Defense Stovokor
i even tried making a macro that executes whole row and put all my non DBB weapons on it, to replace the standard fire buttons. but the key so execute the row would not fire the weapons at all.
so ether make it so the weapon buttons can be activated by macro like all other ability buttons, or five us in the option menu a button for fire all beams, and fire all cannons. its separated for torps and mines, and really it needs to be separated fro cannons and beams too.
it would be easier to counter an acc problem when we can hold it till exactly when we want it to fire
u cant chnk enough to convince some people.
at any rate, twas easy to see faws accuracy misstep. its harder to accept that bo is actually working fine (should disable all wpns like when game first came out, and darin 100_75_50 for 3_2_1 instead of 50 for all)
but nope. hits fine, misses when expected
it is possible, to fire the dbb / beam overload exactly in that moment, that you want. such a change is not necessary
Mine is around 95% consistently for both BO1 and BO2 using [acc]x2 [dmg]x2 (Dirty, I know) beam banks. Mind you I only use it in very specific circumstances to ensure higher success.
My personal experience is that BO 1 misses a lot less than BO 3 all things being equal. I wonder if it is possible for just rank 3 to be slightly bugged.
While I totally understand the frustration with the phaser lance I'd say that constructive feedback is better recieved than voicing our frustration unfiltered.
Phaser lance, phaser lotus, and BO I think would benefit from accuracy testing.
"I got some data.
Firing on a cruiser with a bonus defense of 60.
Using dual beam banks of common variety. 15% bonus accuracy from skills.
Beam Overload 3 and normal beam fire both had 24% miss rate.
Call me lazy. Those were so close I didn't bother testing 1 and 2. I just moved on to the [acc]x3 test.
There was a difference there.
Normal beam fire missed 9%
Beam Overload 1 and 2 missed only 4%
Beam Overload 3 missed 20%
Enough of a difference to think it needs to have a look at.
So. Funny thing. I am surprised at the 4% results. I haven't parsed any data in a long while. If I could have BO3 hitting like that wow that would be great. I thought 20% was normal. Go figure."
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=336981&highlight=beam+overload&page=3
And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I have a bit more experience than most of the posters in this thread on landing BO3 shots. And I have records. But not just combat logs. Records that show the buffs and debuffs on my targets so I know that under actual conditions I'm not experiencing poor results due to poor or unlucky timing/choice of targets.
So at this time, it did seem that BO3 was following the hit chance table, just not gaining acc from the weapons.
If something has changed recently then its changed. Since I purchased the Norgh I've been using a tractor so my results are insanely good.
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