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Not D'Tans Romulans?

flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
edited April 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I was under the impression that the Romulan Republic was D'Tan and those that settled within the Tau Dewa Sector (I could have even sworn I read a Dev Post earlier in the year stating they were). Legacy of Romulus Dev Blog #1 seems to indicate otherwise however, thus this can be used to explain why those Romulans would be choosing to align themselves with the Federation or Klingon factions.

D'Tan is a Romulan of peace. Sela is a Romulan of treachery and deceit. It would seem the third group (the ones we're playing with) are somewhere in between. They're not as peaceful as D'Tan, though at the same time they're not 'The Empire'. Not only will they be joining one faction in their efforts against the other, but it seems that we're also helping D'Tan set up his efforts on New Romulus too.

Am I reading all of this right so far?
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You might want to read the previous "Ask Cryptic" again.
    The missions you get at the beginning of the Romulan Tutorial are a prequel to the Romulan FE where Sela disappears and Hakeev dies.
    So my guess would be you start out as a member of the third faction and Sela Hakeev and their bunch manage to mess around with your life so much you end up joining the republic in the end.;)
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    They said the Romulan we'll play is the rebellion that will end with D'Tan and New Romulus.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    You might want to read the previous "Ask Cryptic" again.
    The missions you get at the beginning of the Romulan Tutorial are a prequel to the Romulan FE where Sela disappears and Hakeev dies.
    So my guess would be you start out as a member of the third faction and Sela Hakeev and their bunch manage to mess around with your life so much you end up joining the republic in the end.
    erei1 wrote: »
    They said the Romulan we'll play is the rebellion that will end with D'Tan and New Romulus.
    Yeah, I got that, it's just in the latest blog they have clearly and specifically labelled three distinctive groups. Threw me off a little. I thought I'd missed something somewhere.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    Yeah, I got that, it's just in the latest blog they have clearly and specifically labelled three distinctive groups. Threw me off a little. I thought I'd missed something somewhere.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5sxLapAts

    We now know the "underpants" part (where you start out) and the "profit" part (where you end up).
    So that we don't know the "?" part is probably intentional.;)
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5sxLapAts

    We now know the "underpants" part (where you start out) and the "profit" part (where you end up).
    So that we don't know the "?" part is probably intentional.;)
    Good reference there, but who you calling a fat TRIBBLE? ;)
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    Good reference there, but who you falling a fat TRIBBLE? ;)

    I don't fall, I always land gracefully.:P
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    I don't fall, I always land gracefully.:P
    Balls. Edited.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    LOL.

    /10char
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    Yeah, I got that, it's just in the latest blog they have clearly and specifically labelled three distinctive groups. Threw me off a little. I thought I'd missed something somewhere.
    Maybe they don't want to force the player to be a vulcan lover. D'Tan and players will have a common goal (rebuilding the Romulan civilization, and escape Sela/Tal shiar). Being a 3rd faction allow that. You can be a unificationist, or just an ally for the time being.
    Also, it's an easy excuse to have New Romulus reputation on Romulan, and still have to grind for the beginning.
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    erei1 wrote: »
    Maybe they don't want to force the player to be a vulcan lover. D'Tan and players will have a common goal (rebuilding the Romulan civilization, and escape Sela/Tal shiar). Being a 3rd faction allow that. You can be a unificationist, or just an ally for the time being.
    Also, it's an easy excuse to have New Romulus reputation on Romulan, and still have to grind for the beginning.
    Th teaser site still says the storylien is exclusively from the point of view of the Romulan Republic-D'tan's faction. This 'Third faction' stuff they brought up seems to be mostly irrelevent. Consider the timetable the Romulan faction is on: They have to choose between allying between Fed and KDF at level 10. Unless Romulans join the RR *after* choosing sides in that fight, (which seems unlikely) it would appear that we are on a pretty tight schedule for joining up with the Romulan Republic.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The way I see it, you start as a Rom at level 1 it is pre-D'Tan and the Republic. You are a refugee stuck between Sela's, Taris', and the Tal Shiar's struggle for control.

    At level 10 you ally yourself with either a Fed or a KDF - most likely for aid and equipment. You slowly become a hero of the Romulan people as you advance in level, while around you Taris gets captured by the Federation and the Tal Shiar and Sela face set-backs in the Reman FE - Sela getting herself captured by the Iconians.

    You somehow assist in the birth of a new Romulan Republic, but you have strong loyalties to either the Fed or KDF who give you help when you needed it. D'Tan is on the path of reuinification while other Romulan councilors have secret agendas involving the Feds, KDF, and Tal Shiar and their Iconian allies.

    By the time you get to end-game the Tal Shiar Romulans are your major enemies. There is still some conflict between the Federation and Klingon Empire, but even that has slowed as both groups are working together to fight the great Borg threat - as well as the Undine infiltrators and the oncoming Iconians.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • abaddon653abaddon653 Member Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You know what would be nice. Well we have to ally with the Feds or Kdf yes, but at some point if we had to choose to join Sela or D'tan and the storyline would change to the perspective of said group.
  • imadoctornotaimadoctornota Member Posts: 469 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The way I see it, you start as a Rom at level 1 it is pre-D'Tan and the Republic. You are a refugee stuck between Sela's, Taris', and the Tal Shiar's struggle for control.

    At level 10 you ally yourself with either a Fed or a KDF - most likely for aid and equipment. You slowly become a hero of the Romulan people as you advance in level, while around you Taris gets captured by the Federation and the Tal Shiar and Sela face set-backs in the Reman FE - Sela getting herself captured by the Iconians.

    You somehow assist in the birth of a new Romulan Republic, but you have strong loyalties to either the Fed or KDF who give you help when you needed it. D'Tan is on the path of reuinification while other Romulan councilors have secret agendas involving the Feds, KDF, and Tal Shiar and their Iconian allies.

    By the time you get to end-game the Tal Shiar Romulans are your major enemies. There is still some conflict between the Federation and Klingon Empire, but even that has slowed as both groups are working together to fight the great Borg threat - as well as the Undine infiltrators and the oncoming Iconians.

    A very good summary!

    I hope they decide to leave it at "aid and equipment" and not ships! (see my signature)
    Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
    9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
  • horridpersonhorridperson Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I think the player can expect to see the factions profiled but the story is probably going to be limited to a linear one with divergent paths that arrive in the same place. Here is my guess.

    -Romulan colonist living on farm
    -Tal Shiar operatives do something nasty to colony by level 10

    -Choose:
    a)Feds: What the Tal Shiar did was terrible let us help you in your fight against oppression
    b)KDF: What the Tal Shiar did was dishonourable. Be a warrior, have vengeance!

    With help from either the Feds or KDF you join D'Tan's newly formed faction to fight for freedom from Sela, The Tal Shiar and their hidden masters. Missions from 10-50 are more exclusive Rom content as you honour your alliances, fight for New Romulus and learn the great bad guy plot.

    Hidden master types are the 50+ content for everyone. The terrible new enemy.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    horridperson wrote: »
    With help from either the Feds or KDF you join D'Tan's newly formed faction to fight for freedom from Sela, The Tal Shiar and their hidden masters. Missions from 10-50 are more exclusive Rom content as you honour your alliances, fight for New Romulus and learn the great bad guy plot.
    I don't think New Romulus will be formed until you are around level 40. That's just my guess, is the New Romulus zone is basically level 50.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    That would make sense, given at what level the Romulan Reputation system unlocks. It seems that regardless of when New Romulus is colonized however, it still looks like we will be working for the Republic for almost all of the progression. The whole 'farmer' thign sounds like a tutorial level to get people riled up to fight the RSE when they inevitably invade our peaceful little farming colony and start oppressing us.


    "You, the player, start as a member of this third group. Doing your best to simply live your life apart from Sela and the Tal Shiar, as well as D'Tan and the Romulan Republic, you have managed to reach a level of happiness and comfort as a member of an agricultural colony."

    Seems to indicate that D'Tan is going to be the the leader of the Republic from the start, since our characters apparently know about him and the republic. So whenever we do end up joining the Republic we will be immediately joining forces with D'Tan.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    There's a new blog coming out in a couple of hours, so hopefully that will shed some additional light. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • abaddon653abaddon653 Member Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    There's a new blog coming out in a couple of hours, so hopefully that will shed some additional light. :)

    -looks at clock- Not soon enough damnit!!!
  • horridpersonhorridperson Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I look forward to seeing what they come up with. My "prediction" is what I'd consider a worse case scenario. Some licence has to be given regarding linear plots anyway. If Cryptic revealed the most inspired piece of MMO storytelling to date that offered multiple destinies and faction possibilities the forums would probably end up full of griping from Fed and KDF players about how the Romulans get the most love:D.
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  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The way I see it, you start as a Rom at level 1 it is pre-D'Tan and the Republic. You are a refugee stuck between Sela's, Taris', and the Tal Shiar's struggle for control.

    At level 10 you ally yourself with either a Fed or a KDF - most likely for aid and equipment. You slowly become a hero of the Romulan people as you advance in level, while around you Taris gets captured by the Federation and the Tal Shiar and Sela face set-backs in the Reman FE - Sela getting herself captured by the Iconians.

    You somehow assist in the birth of a new Romulan Republic, but you have strong loyalties to either the Fed or KDF who give you help when you needed it. D'Tan is on the path of reuinification while other Romulan councilors have secret agendas involving the Feds, KDF, and Tal Shiar and their Iconian allies.

    By the time you get to end-game the Tal Shiar Romulans are your major enemies. There is still some conflict between the Federation and Klingon Empire, but even that has slowed as both groups are working together to fight the great Borg threat - as well as the Undine infiltrators and the oncoming Iconians.

    How dare you make it all so easy to understand :P
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    catoblepasbeta wrote: »
    "You, the player, start as a member of this third group. Doing your best to simply live your life apart from Sela and the Tal Shiar, as well as D'Tan and the Romulan Republic, you have managed to reach a level of happiness and comfort as a member of an agricultural colony."

    Seems to indicate that D'Tan is going to be the the leader of the Republic from the start, since our characters apparently know about him and the republic. So whenever we do end up joining the Republic we will be immediately joining forces with D'Tan.
    This is what Dstahl posted last night:
    The Romulan Republic storyline is a prequel to the Romulan Feature Episode Series, and in fact New Romulus hasn't even been discovered yet from their starting perspective.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • fernandojimenezfernandojimenez Member Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I hate D'Tan, end of history.
  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Playing as D'tans Romulans would be odd with the Reputation System...

    "What do you mean, I can't have that snazzy Plasma Beam Array ?! I'm your sister ! :D
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    fernandojimenez wrote: »
    I hate D'Tan, end of history.
    That's OK. He told me he doesn't like you either. :D
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • fernandojimenezfernandojimenez Member Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    That's OK. He told me he doesn't like you either. :D

    But the Tal Shiar loves me, I am very happy ;).
  • elnatorelnator Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I dunno... personally I REALLY don't get the whole "pick a faction to ally with". Seems half assed to me to have half of the romulans siding against each other in a war that has nothing to do with them. From a canon perspective if anything the romulans would remain neutral and wait to see who comes out on top. But they certainly wouldn't choose opposite sides in a war. That would only serve to weaken their people further.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    elnator wrote: »
    I dunno... personally I REALLY don't get the whole "pick a faction to ally with". Seems half assed to me to have half of the romulans siding against each other in a war that has nothing to do with them. From a canon perspective if anything the romulans would remain neutral and wait to see who comes out on top. But they certainly wouldn't choose opposite sides in a war. That would only serve to weaken their people further.
    Well, first, unless you PvP there's really no war. So one Rom shooting another isn't really a factor - and PvP isn't role-playing. It's outside of the context of the story.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • cptvanorcptvanor Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    elnator wrote: »
    Seems half assed to me to have half of the romulans siding against each other in a war that has nothing to do with them.

    They're not really picking a side in the war however. It sounds much more like they're picking which side they want to work with, which side will help them rebuild Mol'Rihan. The storyline will not involve the Roms getting involved with the Fed/KDF war however.
    The Federation wants to pursue reunification, peace, and trade in technology. The Klingon Empire view this as an opportunity to arm rebels and destabilize the Tal Shiar further, given them the opportunity to scoop up territory in Romulan space.

    So the RR won't be fighting for one side or the other in the war. They'll be working with either the Feds or the KDF to fight the Tal'Shiar, with both sides getting something for the aid they're offering.
  • elnatorelnator Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    cptvanor wrote: »
    They're not really picking a side in the war however. It sounds much more like they're picking which side they want to work with, which side will help them rebuild Mol'Rihan. The storyline will not involve the Roms getting involved with the Fed/KDF war however.



    So the RR won't be fighting for one side or the other in the war. They'll be working with either the Feds or the KDF to fight the Tal'Shiar, with both sides getting something for the aid they're offering.

    See I still think that's just a half-baked attempt to rationalize a really badly thought out game mechanic. Romulans should be implemented stand-alone with their own starbases, etc. Maybe even with their own embassies (one on earth one on qonos). I don't think they should have access to KDF/Fed ships either... They should only have access to their own ships and whatever C-Store/Lobi/Lockbox ships are available to everyone.
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    - Damn the torpedos! Full speed ahead!
  • darkelfofficerdarkelfofficer Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    cptvanor wrote: »
    They're not really picking a side in the war however. It sounds much more like they're picking which side they want to work with, which side will help them rebuild Mol'Rihan. The storyline will not involve the Roms getting involved with the Fed/KDF war however.



    So the RR won't be fighting for one side or the other in the war. They'll be working with either the Feds or the KDF to fight the Tal'Shiar, with both sides getting something for the aid they're offering.

    From dastahl's dev blog #2:
    Yes, they are in a delicate situation, and they may end up having to kill a few Federation or Klingons along the way, but their goal remains to restore the Legacy of Romulus.

    Romulans who ally with the Federation will fight Klingons, and those that ally with the Klingons will fight Feds. So, yes, the Romulans will be getting involved.
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