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Why do players keep calling Starfleet Federation?
tilarta
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This is something I've never really understood.
Yes, I know Cryptic labelled the faction Federation, but it's a very inacurrate name.
Because we're not actually playing as Federation characters!
We play as Starfleet characters.
The Federation is the generic term for civilians, Starfleet is the military arm.
It would be like going up to a member of the Navy and calling them a civvie.
Yes, I know Cryptic labelled the faction Federation, but it's a very inacurrate name.
Because we're not actually playing as Federation characters!
We play as Starfleet characters.
The Federation is the generic term for civilians, Starfleet is the military arm.
It would be like going up to a member of the Navy and calling them a civvie.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
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Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
If you are in the Federation you are protected by Starfleet
Would be hard pressed to ask people to change to calling it Starfleet now tho....
No wait, that's not right...
People can join Starfleet without being a Federation citizen, as long as they get a letter of recommendation from an officer. Remember Nog?
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Yes, and then Nog (probably) became a member of the Federation.
Actually, according to the the Path to 2409, Federation dual citizenships didn't start happening until 2398. The first was a Ferengi geologist named Rhea.
Not sure if that fits into canon or not, but it's canon for the purposes of the game.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Stay away from Caboose...
So in may we will have "red blue and Green" factions instead of "Fed, Klink, Rom"
Well I don't think he was a "dual-citizen", as he was probably no longer considered a citizen of the empire after his family was killed, he was adopted by earth-folks, and his father blamed for the massacre. Or something.
Starfleet "characters" are from the Federation (and citizenship doesn't matter, they represent the Starfleet, therefore the Federation) as much as the US Navy members are americans. I dont understand ur confusion.
Im My Mind, thats really bad to do. Lable someone by color.... "If your Blue You Good. Red You BAD!" Just like this... man I cant really say it but lets just say "Before Martin Luther". Color does not show who you are. It is just sterio-typed thoughout our lemoned lives. Please, don't use color terms atleast in this case cause I know it means "Good and Evil" in your minds.
Your quite right here and im sure that would cover most of the player characters in the game. For those that are worried about "green cards" let us consider the being a part of the federation faction means you are at least allied with and fighting for the ideas of the federation (through the military arm - starfleet) regardless if you are actually a "voting member" of the federation.
Different kinds of gameplay.
If I was playing as Federation, I'd be in an unarmed cargo freighter, my missions would consist of transporting cargo around the galaxy and calling for help from Starfleet when I get attacked!
Do we play like that?
No, because we're playing from the Starfleet perspective.
In the TV show, even the Klingons say Starfleeter, not Federatator.
So does every other military power I think.
Which means that Starfleet is indeed regarded as a seperate entity, not part of the Federation at all.
Starfleet even appears to operate independently of the Federation Council at times, which would imply their control over their military arm is limited.
I guess Cryptic never really worked that out.
Hence why they just called us Federation without really thinking about it.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
From the wiki: Starfleet (abbr. STFL) was the deep-space exploratory and defense service maintained by the United Federation of Planets. Its principal functions included the advancement of Federation knowledge about the galaxy and its inhabitants, the advancement of Federation science and technology, the military defense of the Federation, and the practice of Federation diplomacy.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet
Starfleet has never been considered separate from the Federation. Most of the time non-federation races tend to refer to federation races by there distinct name (Andorian, Human, Vulcan, etc) And I've never heard or can't remember ANY time a character was refereed to as a Starfleeter or a Federatator (Maybe in a foreign dub?)
Starfleet is the "poster" of the Federation.
ingame: @.Spartan
Original Cryptic Forum Name: Spartan (member #124)
The Glorious, Kirk’s Protegè
Starfleet is also not an pure military institution like an army at our time. From my knowledge, Starfleet also includes alot of civilian personal and researchers, compareable maybe with the NASA. Not already counted in, that Starfleet also has an secret intelligence service ... So it is more an very general oriented organization.
Things like,"No cloaks for you. Never. I don't care what you want, you have to follow orders. End of story."
Because for at least 21 years worth of episodes captains have been introducing themselves as belonging the the Federation.
It is possible that it is a racial slur that is based on a specific group of actual people.
Funny you should mention that.
My Starfleet Captain doesn't follow those rules!
She runs her ship as she sees fit and not always by Starfleet's rules.
The point of view she takes is she's a Soldier first and foremost, on the front lines of a war.
No need to play nice with the bad guy, just obliterate their ships and move on.
The ship is run on strong military lines, not as an exploration vessel or anything else.
Besides, Captains are given more or less absolute authority on their vessels, they can do whatever they want, because if they discover a threat, they don't have time to send a subspace communique to Starfleet Command to ask, what should I do here, then wait for a response while the enemy armada is massing to attack.
There was even an episode that suggests this, where Starfleet has to take unilateral action to protect the Federation from the Dominion because the politicians were unwilling to do so.
Granted, a military coup wasn't the best way to do so, but still, they had the right intentions.
Which implies that Starfleet can and does operate outside of Federation Council control, being able to do this all on their own.
When Sisko discovers the deception that fueled the coup, he even orders the Defiant to come to Earth to resolve the situation, against orders.
And when the Lakota tries to stop them, it nearly gets destroyed, the Defiant only had to fire one more barrage to finish them off.
If the Captain hadn't surrendered, Kira would have given that order.
This would imply, outside of sending another Starfleet ship to intercept another one, there's not a lot you can do to override a Captain's authority, not if their crew is supporting them.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
No, it would be like going up to a member of the American Navy and calling them an American.
Ahahaha. I have waited two years for that question. Congratulations. You just ate he bait and hook. To your defence, i'll humbly answer that. It is just how lingo and slang is catching on. Someone said it first, the second person found it funny/convenient, and it caught on... Now it has become a 'normal' slang for klingon, like commies (communists) etc...