Romulans will be the best thing to happen to the KDF, here's why..

krovan · March 2013

So Dstahl tried to spin it that Romulans are a full faction, however they will either join the KDF or Federation at a certain point and will not have their own star bases, and will be "allies" and fight on their chosen side for pvp purposes.

The benefit for the Klingons is that the bulk of romluan players are either going to be ex feds, or people that don't have interest in the federation in the first place.

I beleive most will choose Klingon as their "Ally" and thus join the ranks of the KDF. This means that they will participate in KDF fleets and activites and things like the 20 man kdf starbase defense missions will actually have enough players to trigger, as well as pvp wait time diminishing.

Furthermore, it's inevitable that after being lumped in with us and listening to us lament all the things we don't have that we can find support for finally getting things like kit visuals, and unique stories to the KDF that expand on the war, the allied races liek Orions and Gorn, etc.

It's going to be a good thing long term as our Romulan Allies bring a mutual hatred of those do gooder onesie wearing upside down spoon flying weaklings!

sulfrustriple · March 2013

I boil my concern about your conclusion to this: Why would a New Romulan join a KDF fleet when KDF fleets are not as far along in progression as Fed fleets? They can get better tier things more easily on Fed side than KDF. House of Beautiful Orion's might get interest, but why would anyone join a tier 1-4 KDF fleet? I see little motivation or incentive, so the likely result will be to join their existing FED fleet and enjoy the hard work they already invested.

Just my view. Who knows. Things change.

snoggymack22 · March 2013

sulfrustriple wrote: »

so the likely result will be to join their existing FED fleet and enjoy the hard work they already invested.

^^ THIS. I mean, it's really the most sensible option. Stick with the fleet you're already invested in. Or join a fleet that's already where you want to be. That's overwhelmingly the fed side. It's the easy path. For devs and players.

chk231 · March 2013

If the Klingon low-pop pvp queues don't get better...well...that will be a shame.

ursusmorologus · March 2013

chk231 wrote: »

If the Klingon low-pop pvp queues don't get better...well...that will be a shame.

It will get worse, as the Rommie-Fed hybrids are going to outnumber Rommie-KDF just as much as Fed vs KDF now. And they will all be looking for KDF to shoot.

People who only play Fed will naturally choose Fed. Its where their fleets and friends are. Its where their C-Store ships and consoles are.

marc8219 · March 2013

A lot of players will take their Romulan to KDF to have access to consoles like leech.

sollvax · March 2013

What we need most is an auto disable on targeting

So your flying a Romulan Warbird
you enter PVP theres another Romulan warbird on the other side and a couple of defiants

your targeting ONLY locks onto the Fed ship

Thus no Romulan ship fires on Romulans
No federation ship fires on Federation ships
and No Klingon fires on other Klingons (unless they go into a private queue)

jaador · March 2013

marc8219 wrote: »

A lot of players will take their Romulan to KDF to have access to consoles like leech.

Until leech is inevitably lockboxed.

majesticmsfc · March 2013

Sorry OP, I think it will be the other way around. Some might join to try the new KDF missions on a Romulan character but the majority will no doubt go Federation.

A lot of hope about faction equality and the KDF finally might improve there numbers to a point where they will start to get an equal share of development will most likely not happen now.

Obviously the new KDF content is really just for the Romulan faction and so they can say publicly that new players can start any faction from level 1. It's a publicly stunt to newcomers, so they can say:

"We have three factions, WOW, LORTR Online etc only have two. We are F2P unlike WOW and others."

It's a shame really, if they really put some effort and look at the wider picture this game could be awesome. Really bring a new benchmark in for the MMO genre.

Still waiting for May for final judgement and hopefully by the end of 2013 maybe things will improve but I am not going to hope for that.

jaador wrote: »

Until leech is inevitably lockboxed.

It will happen, it's only a matter of time.

shpoks · March 2013

majesticmsfc wrote: »

Obviously the new KDF content is really just for the Romulan faction and so they can say publicly that new players can start any faction from level 1.

Actually, Stahl just posted in another thread a while ago that the KDF current missions will be re-aranged to fit the expanded levels and that there will be new missions at Lt.General level.

altechachan · March 2013

For easier reading, here's the post shpoks is talking about:

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=8902011&postcount=266

The new Klingon leveling progression will be available on TRIBBLE around the first week of May. We're in the process of readjusting all of the Klingon levels, moving episodes around, adding in the ships, and then adding in the new KLG episodes including the Nimbus adventure zone. Once we've finalized the final progression, we'll post it for you to play and see.

majesticmsfc · March 2013

Yes I read that before making my above post. I am hoping it's something substantial, enough missions to bring us up to the Fed level of content. If that is the case then this expansion was well worth it.

chalpen · March 2013

They won't join the KDF. Feds have more missions/ships/customization/items.
Cryptic knows this.

snoggymack22 · March 2013

The new Klingon leveling progression will be available on TRIBBLE around the first week of May. We're in the process of readjusting all of the Klingon levels, moving episodes around, adding in the ships, and then adding in the new KLG episodes including the Nimbus adventure zone. Once we've finalized the final progression, we'll post it for you to play and see.

That doesn't sound like much. KLG episodes? And a Nimbus Adventure Zone? Seems like not really a lot of added mission content.

goldenlion619 · March 2013

If you are invested in Federation you will go Blue, if you invested in the KDF you go Red, the population divide will stay the same since players wont abaddon their fleet bases.

jaador · March 2013

majesticmsfc wrote: »

It will happen, it's only a matter of time.

Actually, it just occurred to me that, if the Romulans aren't going to have access to any KDF or Fed ships even after they join one of the factions, they still won't have access to the plasmonic leech console even if they go KDF.

Which means that there's really no incentive for Romulan players to go KDF since our most touted benefits still won't be afforded to them.

robdmc · March 2013

krovan wrote: »

I beleive most will choose Klingon as their "Ally" and thus join the ranks of the KDF. This means that they will participate in KDF fleets and activites and things like the 20 man kdf starbase defense missions will actually have enough players to trigger, as well as pvp wait time diminishing.

Or it means the same KDF players with their romulan alts will be the only ones to join the kdf side to total the same number of people not triggering the queue but with rommies instead. This is because all the feddies have their rommies on their built up faction.

dova25 · March 2013

robdmc wrote: »

Or it means the same KDF players with their romulan alts will be the only ones to join the kdf side to total the same number of people not triggering the queue but with rommies instead. This is because all the feddies have their rommies on their built up faction.

I agree: that it is what I think it will happen.

PVP will become more deserted as it is now because now federation finally will get their cloak so a federation team will be able to field a vesta/fleet,defiant/kumari/hec and cloaking romulan warbirds

KDF will have the same old ships and warbirds but will not have acces to 5 fore/5tactical consoles escorts or equivalent's to vesta/armitage

There was no new kdf ship anouncement so I guess I will have to wait until June to see the final picture.

goldenlion619 · March 2013

dova25 wrote: »

I agree: that it is what I think it will happen.

PVP will become more deserted as it is now because now federation finally will get their cloak so a federation team will be able to field a vesta/fleet,defiant/kumari/hec and cloaking romulan warbirds

KDF will have the same old ships and warbirds but will not have acces to 5 fore/5tactical consoles escorts or equivalent's to vesta/armitage

There was no new kdf ship anouncement so I guess I will have to wait until June to see the final picture.

According Dstal one of the reasons the Romulins are not a independent faction is because of pvp and FvF woulld be ruined, its a complete joke.

majesticmsfc · March 2013

As they say "The more things change, the more they stay the same."

phyrexianhero · March 2013

sulfrustriple wrote: »

I boil my concern about your conclusion to this: Why would a New Romulan join a KDF fleet when KDF fleets are not as far along in progression as Fed fleets? They can get better tier things more easily on Fed side than KDF. House of Beautiful Orion's might get interest, but why would anyone join a tier 1-4 KDF fleet? I see little motivation or incentive, so the likely result will be to join their existing FED fleet and enjoy the hard work they already invested.

Just my view. Who knows. Things change.

Because the most advanced Fed fleets are actually at 80% or more capacity (400+ players) and can't take on the Romulans coming. A change in fleet cap or some other setting would obviously alter this equation.

viaxa · March 2013

You act like this new race will bring SWARMS of new people to STO.

It most likley wont, and 75% of romulans will probably be fed alts, and will go into fed fleets anyways.

Most feds are in small to medium fleets with T3-T4 starbases and loads of membership room.

As for the fleet cap, the only fleet that I am aware of with cap issues even with regularly pruning inactives, and restricting alts is Reddit.

The new 'race' expansion wont help us in the slightest as we will still benefit the least from it.

phyrexianhero · March 2013

viaxa wrote: »

You act like this new race will bring SWARMS of new people to STO.

It most likley wont, and 75% of romulans will probably be fed alts, and will go into fed fleets anyways.

Most feds are in small to medium fleets with T3-T4 starbases and loads of membership room.

As for the fleet cap, the only fleet that I am aware of with cap issues even with regularly pruning inactives, and restricting alts is Reddit.

The new 'race' expansion wont help us in the slightest as we will still benefit the least from it.

More KDF players helps, even if Fed is helped more. Even if 75% of Romulans go Fed, that means 25% go KDF and if it was a 3:1 ratio that'd be better than anything KDF's had before.

Also, there are many 400+ man fleets that you may not be aware of. An incomplete list: 1st Starfleet Germany, 44th Fleet, Access Denied, Ausmonauts, Battle Group M.A.C.O., Borg Syndicate, Crimson Fubar Inc, Federation Deepspace Operations, Fubar Inc, Guardians of Equestria, House of Kular, House of Tlhap-Jen, Inner Circle, KDF Elite Force 'avwi' batlh tlhingan', KHG-Klingon Honor Guard, Klingon Intelligence, Kodiak Legion, LaFamilia, Orion.Empire., Pride Of The Federation, Proteus, Raider Armada, REDdit ALERT, TRIBBLE., Section 31, Shadow Force, SSOG, Starfleet M.A.C.O., Starfleet Medical Command, Stonewall Fleet, Task Force Spectre, The House of Duras, UFP

doffingcomrade · March 2013

phyrexianhero wrote: »

More KDF players helps, even if Fed is helped more. Even if 75% of Romulans go Fed, that means 25% go KDF and if it was a 3:1 ratio that'd be better than anything KDF's had before.

You're forgetting something important: The number of players doesn't actually change. It'll be the same people, playing as Rommies, of which most will go Fed because that's where their friends and fleets are, as for most people, their Fed fleets are in better shape than their Klink fleets.

A fresh start would have given the opportunity for those who missed the start of the starbase game to get in on the ground floor...now it's just a continuation of a game that is already over.

wirtdd · March 2013

krovan wrote: »

The benefit for the Klingons is that the bulk of romluan players are either going to be ex feds, or people that don't have interest in the federation in the first place

Such players exist?

No, the real benefit for the KDF, actually is not a benefit but otherwise would have been the death of the empire, is that klingon lovers can play romulans without abandon the KDF. So, yes, it is something good for u or, at least, is not something bad.

jkstocbr · March 2013

krovan wrote: »

I beleive most will choose Klingon as their "Ally" and thus join the ranks of the KDF.

Nope. Going to ally with my main characters Fed Fleet

phyrexianhero · March 2013

jkstocbr wrote: »

Nope. Going to ally with my main characters Fed Fleet

He said most. When I talked to my fleet, many said they intended to go KDF because that's the side that needs it most. For any large Fed fleet, without a change to current cap, they will simply be unable to bring in Romulan alts as well -- I expect they'll be encouraged to go KDF.

drkfrontiers · March 2013

The Romulans as part of the KDF are not going to be a good thing in the long run.

It is going to dilute the KDF experience entirely as 60% - 70% of the population, I would guess, starved for something new will roll a Romulan.

As a KDF loyalist, I am not at all fond of seeing that happen to the KDF.

We already have a huge problem with hundreds of cross factional lockbox ships and now entire 1 - 50 level ships on mass.

Not good. Not good at all.

And if anyone has not picked-up on it. This means now that Fed players and premades have access to not only their own breed of OP, but a completely new one as well - and one that sports Singularity Cores and Battle Cloak.

Fed Premades in PvP are going to be having a field day.

baudl · March 2013

they should have made romulans as an addition to the KDF...population problem solved + content and ships for the KDF

anyway the solution they implemented is also great, makes many more "factions" possible in the future.

redshirtthefirst · March 2013

Actually, having the roms splitting between Fed and KDF is kind of a 'static' outcome. Depending on how they look at the metrics, either they look at the Fed+rom VS KDF+rom numbers and it's not going to change much for KDF since people coming from the blue side and rolling a rom will just go back to their original faction and stay with fleet mates....

dova25 · March 2013

phyrexianhero wrote: »

Because the most advanced Fed fleets are actually at 80% or more capacity (400+ players) and can't take on the Romulans coming. A change in fleet cap or some other setting would obviously alter this equation.

Well kdf fleets are getting close to capping number too even if they are not T5.My kdf fleet haven't reached t4 yet but the number is close to 500 for example.

This new influx of players, if the fleet capping number remains 500, means that most of new players will have to start from zero and make new fed/kdf fleets.
It is very good for Cryptic and bad for players so I hope existing fleets cap limit will be doubled so new romulan chars can join existing fleets.

Romulans will be the best thing to happen to the KDF, here's why..

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