Starting at level 1 is good for the faction as a whole.
For me? Not to much, I have 9 KDF characters at the end of the Omega Rep System, I don't care about level 1 because I'm not going to invest anymore time or energy into a new character. I joined last February and the Kingon faction sucked me in by the end of last April.
Since then I've seen two KDF store releases.....the Bortas pack and the environmental suit. I sit $50 aside everyone month just for video games, and these guys can't even release something to take that $50. :mad:
I guess the May changes will improve the "metrics" but I don't feel like waiting around for those to improve so we can have some new endgame content around this time next year. If we don't see at least an effort at endgame content in May Cryptic can subtract me from their metrics because I'll be playing something else.
If you look at the link, you would see that you can start ANY of the three factions from lvl 1. It will be much clearer once the English site is updated.
That's irrelevant to the point that the game doesn't support 2 factions as is, much less 3. Not that it couldn't... but as long as pure finances (and not game health) are the driving force behind the content additions...
Of course they'll be new content to fill the gaps. heck. We might even get a new sector block to play in for some of the new content. Maybe we'll finally get a bunch of system patrol missions to fill in around the needed storyline content.
We won't get quite everything we would like, but we are going to get quite a bit... for those of firmly into end game though it won't be that noticable..
What we will get though is more players flying KDF and that will make a big difference..
downside.. Lag like ESD when at Qo'nos.
Next up on the hit parade should be new PvP content starting in the third quarter.
I don't see that happening. We'll lose pilots to the Romulans who will be getting the shiny new toys. It's not like the Romulan faction will bring in a ton of new players that actually want to play Klingon, it will be new players who want to play Romulans... and Feds/KDF who want Romulan alts. At very best, we maybe break even on the handful of people we lose that don't play Klingon because of the level restriction... but this far into the games life cycle, the damage is already done and we just aren't going to see a lot of new players.
The KDF population will decline, not the other way around.
"Let's take, I dunno, the top 25 player written missions and convert them. BOOM!"
Huh. I wasn't expecting that.
I'd be shocked if they did that frankly. I'm sure we'd have heard a peep from the authors before this if it were the case (despite them in theory being asked to keep things quiet).
I think that next logical step it would be some new kdf design ship's comparable to what federation already has and what new romulan faction must have on design table in this moment.
In this way kdf will continue to grow more as the new movie will be launched in may and new players will be able to make a klingon char from begining.
My guess is that romulan ships will be OP compared to federation (in the begining ) so that is why i think now it would be a good time for new powerfull kdf ships too.
"There already is a Borg faction, its called the Federation. They assimilate everyone else's technology and remove any biological or technical distinctiveness and add it to their own."
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
At this point we really should let bygones be bygones.......
At this moment, we have no proof that they wont deliver.
"I've never trusted Cryptic, and I never will. I could never forgive them for the death of my Fleet."
Have you seen the "Track Record" on KDF improvements from Cryptic?
Having been here since launch I watched the first 2 years first hand, not a very happy Era for the KDF.
If they make the KDF a Full Faction I'll be happy, I'm just doubting their ability to hold to what they've announced. I've seen "more kdf is coming" sooo many times now, I don't even care when I see it now.
That said, this time seems more like they might be working, instead of waiting on Cups to be delivered to the Office. (Cheers to anyone who remembers the Cup incident)
"I've never trusted Cryptic, and I never will. I could never forgive them for the death of my Fleet."
Have you seen the "Track Record" on KDF improvements from Cryptic?
Having been here since launch I watched the first 2 years first hand, not a very happy Era for the KDF.
If they make the KDF a Full Faction I'll be happy, I'm just doubting their ability to hold to what they've announced. I've seen "more kdf is coming" sooo many times now, I don't even care when I see it now.
That said, this time seems more like they might be working, instead of waiting on Cups to be delivered to the Office. (Cheers to anyone who remembers the Cup incident)
Yup, I know all about the track record of the development of the KDF.
And I can't really blame the people who have their doubts or don't believe that anything good will come from this for the KDF.
What I'm saying is - Cryptic has a new landlord and regardless of what individuals think of PWE, the truth is that they helped and invested in the Cryptic team. The game is obviosely doing very good according to what many devs. have stated and also by having a big expansion with a whole new faction added. Their staff has grown double in numbers.
This is what makes me believe that it is possible for them to keep their word and deliver this time.
P.S. This is actually the first time we have visualy seen a confirmation that the KDF will start at lvl 1. I don't think that's something they'd do if there was the possibility to walk away from it. Also, the lack of leveling content was pointed out as the main reason for the KDF to start at lvl 20 on many ocassions by the devs. It would be reasonable to conclude that since they decided to give the opportunity to the KDF to start at the begining, they'll give the content that was missing.
STO has been around for 3 years now. I really don't think the devs. are just making the KDF start at lvl 1 without any content after what they stated before. I can't see them saying "Well whataya know, us wuz joking before!"
Yup, I know all about the track record of the development of the KDF.
And I can't really blame the people who have their doubts or don't believe that anything good will come from this for the KDF.
What I'm saying is - Cryptic has a new landlord and regardless of what individuals think of PWE, the truth is that they helped and invested in the Cryptic team. The game is obviosely doing very good according to what many devs. have stated and also by having a big expansion with a whole new faction added. Their staff has grown double in numbers.
This is what makes me believe that it is possible for them to keep their word and deliver this time.
P.S. This is actually the first time we have visualy seen a confirmation that the KDF will start at lvl 1. I don't think that's something they'd do if there was the possibility to walk away from it. Also, the lack of leveling content was pointed out as the main reason for the KDF to start at lvl 20 on many ocassions by the devs. It would be reasonable to conclude that since they decided to give the opportunity to the KDF to start at the begining, they'll give the content that was missing.
STO has been around for 3 years now. I really don't think the devs. are just making the KDF start at lvl 1 without any content after what they stated before. I can't see them saying "Well whataya know, us wuz joking before!"
It makes sense. While I have been overly critical of Cryptic for their total lack of anything developed for KDF in so long. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and holding off any negative opinions until I see what they have done for the expansions.
Being able to start any faction at level 1 and being able to choose what faction you can start with and the reasons you mentioned above has made me decided upon this coarse of action.
I'm just waiting till May. As I see it every promise made to the Federation side has been fulfilled. Ambassador, Vesta, Andorian escort etc. Perhaps now they are finally going to complete the promises they made to the KDF as well as giving the Romulans their own piece of the action.
May isn't that far away, less than two months now. I think we all have at the very least hold out negative comments until we see what we get or don't get. Anyone can see some of my older posts form 6 months ago, I was really annoyed with the lack of development and if I can bite my tongue I think any negative person can until the expansion is released.
I am hoping they'll improve the server space and stability of the servers for this expansion too.
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
Well, I only recently came back to STO with a new account now.
Have a Federation Commander and a Klingon Captain (well he's a Gorn actually).
While I enjoy KDF more at the moment, I doubt I'll start a new Klingon now.
I do hope that I will be able to play the new low level Klingon content with my Gorn Captain as well though.
The ideal situation will be that there is new mission content for Romulans from level 1 to 50, new mission content for Klingons from 1 to 20, but I won't be surprised if mission content for Romulans and Klingons from 1 to 20 is the same and after that more or less the same for all three factions, just as it is now.
If the latter is the case, will I be dissapointed? No, there will be still enough to enjoy with all the new stuff.
BTW starting a Klingon character at level 1 is nice, but for me, a player with a couple of level 50 characters, playing with a character with limited capabilities, a ship with for and aft beam bank and a torpedo is just not interesting. On a side note. Playing at low levels the game isn't easy. I just point to the threads were people complain that the Romulan Warbird is to strong. I myself have been killed by Warbirds and Mogais as lieutenant and commander. I replay those missions often for ship equipment and I roll over them now.
Hopefully we get level 1-20 storyline content that matters in relation to STO. Even if the player gains a level to a level and a half a mission, I would be happy if it completes us.
It does seem they're going to allow base level starts for the Klingon faction. Having xp'd KDF from low level, I'm not sure that's such a good idea unless more content is made available. In any event, I don't believe it will have a significant impact on KDF population numbers. Most STO players simply prefer to play Starfleet as that's what the shows emphasized. In fact, the arrival of the Romulan faction is likely to offset any gains the KDF may experience. Really, aside from pvp, which is c**ptastic in sto anyway, the only serious flaw with the KDF is the low volume of faction specific content. I can't see that changing anytime soon as a company has to give emphasis to its primary customer base and that just isn't going to be the KDF.
So, if I take This link for official, You will be able to start a Klingon at lvl 1.
From there, will there be any content filling the gaps? Who knows, I hope there will or it will go against the reason of why KDF was condensed in the first place to avoid spread leveling content and grind.
That is aside from a new UI that seem more Klingon-esque and less eye bleeding looking...
While technically correct (original KDF started at I believe 5?) you're mostly wrong. KDF started out at low levels before, and had zero content. You had to grind star cluster missions for the first 20-30 levels or so.
Without details on how Cryptic plans on plugging that content gap, I'm not impressed.
I remember those days with loathing! It cost Cryptic two paying customers when my Trek loving friends were repulsed by the botched KDF roll out and horrible, mind numbing, grind it entailed back then. From my perspective, newer KDF players have nothing to complain about in comparison. Of course, that's like saying getting hit by a car isn't as painful as getting hit by a bus...:)
Only speculative, but they may have slide what we know of Klingon specific content down after the tutorial and then move on to more common content between faction. After all, it's a rather general recipe in MMOs of this type to walk the toon through faction based missions around your hub then release you to the World with issues common to all.
I would still love to see more 'KDF point of view' to some of these common missions. To joke, have a reason why a klingon warrior would run after epohhs for tagging?
I would still love to see more 'KDF point of view' to some of these common missions. To joke, have a reason why a klingon warrior would run after epohhs for tagging?
...
Well... I guess there Klingons have their own version of a Turducken and you have to start somewhere?
My biggest worry right now about KDF content for the May expansion, is what new themed character should I make to start at level 1? I already have a Klingon female Tactical character flying a B'Rel and an Orion female Engineer flying a Marauder Patrol Cruiser. What to do next...? Hmmmm.
Member since November 2009... I think. (UFP) Ragnar
Well... I guess there Klingons have their own version of a Turducken and you have to start somewhere?
My biggest worry right now about KDF content for the May expansion, is what new themed character should I make to start at level 1? I already have a Klingon female Tactical character flying a B'Rel and an Orion female Engineer flying a Marauder Patrol Cruiser. What to do next...? Hmmmm.
Suggestion :
Make a sci. (obvious isn't it ) and get in the Vegas mood, try to get the Korath from the Temporal lockbox. If your heart is not set on gambling, the Varanus/Fleet Varanus is nice enough for sci. chars.
But, since you already own a B'rel, try building it into science. The play is quite different from that perspective.
We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
Make a sci. (obvious isn't it ) and get in the Vegas mood, try to get the Korath from the Temporal lockbox. If your heart is not set on gambling, the Varanus/Fleet Varanus is nice enough for sci. chars.
But, since you already own a B'rel, try building it into science. The play is quite different from that perspective.
Hmmmmm, you might be on to something sir. A male Gorn Sci character with a Gorn Hegemony ship in mind would be interesting.
Member since November 2009... I think. (UFP) Ragnar
Make a sci. (obvious isn't it ) and get in the Vegas mood, try to get the Korath from the Temporal lockbox. If your heart is not set on gambling, the Varanus/Fleet Varanus is nice enough for sci. chars.
But, since you already own a B'rel, try building it into science. The play is quite different from that perspective.
Leathean's with their mind tricks can be fun especially against Reman's. Giving them their own medicine back.
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
The Klingons won't get content from level 1, come April 1st they will be like April Fools...You gullible fools...Ha been 3 years and you actually think we would make content now? Boy what some people will believe.
The Klingons won't get content from level 1, come April 1st they will be like April Fools...You gullible fools...Ha been 3 years and you actually think we would make content now? Boy what some people will believe.
Would seem like an STO April fool's gag anyway
*pencils in "xavierprotocols" to the head of list for time in the agonizer booth today*
To that other fella. I do the KDF ombat scientist a lot myself.
of course the typical complaint is.. "Hey, its a ground stf. I could use some healing here!"
my typical reply is pretty much "Oh, didn't bring your own hypo's? Rub two tribble and call me in the morning."
I'm all into preventitive health maintainence. I belive in killing the bad guy before he kills you.
In space I use a battlecruiser for my sci with the engineer BOFF's and DOFF's to keep the ship healthy. While I command, and do that who-do? That vodoo, that I do, soOOOOOOooooo welllllll!
KDF sci ships had best be movers with guns... really bothers me that the best KDF sci ship in the game happens the be a Federation ship.
Hmmm, Sci Combat Scientist in a KDF battlecruiser also sounds interesting. I could grind the Dil for the Bortas pack and the Varanus vessel in time for the May update.
Oldkhemaraa, do you have builds up on stoacademy? If you do, I'll like to check them out.
I.... I'm actually pondering the side effects of rubbing two tribbles together. So far I'm thinking "electric shock burst" or "organic matter explosion."
Member since November 2009... I think. (UFP) Ragnar
I.... I'm actually pondering the side effects of rubbing two tribbles together. So far I'm thinking "electric shock burst" or "organic matter explosion."
Actually, the invention of the tribble-fueled warp reactor did that.
Yes, while the Romulans were building their Quantum Singularity Drive, the Klingons built the Tribble Screamularity Drive.
"Just shovel some more in there, guys!"
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For me? Not to much, I have 9 KDF characters at the end of the Omega Rep System, I don't care about level 1 because I'm not going to invest anymore time or energy into a new character. I joined last February and the Kingon faction sucked me in by the end of last April.
Since then I've seen two KDF store releases.....the Bortas pack and the environmental suit. I sit $50 aside everyone month just for video games, and these guys can't even release something to take that $50. :mad:
I guess the May changes will improve the "metrics" but I don't feel like waiting around for those to improve so we can have some new endgame content around this time next year. If we don't see at least an effort at endgame content in May Cryptic can subtract me from their metrics because I'll be playing something else.
Providing Starfleet saucer separation services since the 23rd century. We do it right!
... and now announcing our new branch offices in Romulan space! Nobody will declaw those birds like us!
That's irrelevant to the point that the game doesn't support 2 factions as is, much less 3. Not that it couldn't... but as long as pure finances (and not game health) are the driving force behind the content additions...
I don't see that happening. We'll lose pilots to the Romulans who will be getting the shiny new toys. It's not like the Romulan faction will bring in a ton of new players that actually want to play Klingon, it will be new players who want to play Romulans... and Feds/KDF who want Romulan alts. At very best, we maybe break even on the handful of people we lose that don't play Klingon because of the level restriction... but this far into the games life cycle, the damage is already done and we just aren't going to see a lot of new players.
The KDF population will decline, not the other way around.
I'd be shocked if they did that frankly. I'm sure we'd have heard a peep from the authors before this if it were the case (despite them in theory being asked to keep things quiet).
That made me laugh, nice one for a sig...
In this way kdf will continue to grow more as the new movie will be launched in may and new players will be able to make a klingon char from begining.
My guess is that romulan ships will be OP compared to federation (in the begining ) so that is why i think now it would be a good time for new powerfull kdf ships too.
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
Have you seen the "Track Record" on KDF improvements from Cryptic?
Having been here since launch I watched the first 2 years first hand, not a very happy Era for the KDF.
If they make the KDF a Full Faction I'll be happy, I'm just doubting their ability to hold to what they've announced. I've seen "more kdf is coming" sooo many times now, I don't even care when I see it now.
That said, this time seems more like they might be working, instead of waiting on Cups to be delivered to the Office. (Cheers to anyone who remembers the Cup incident)
"...just look at my track record for making the improvements that I said we would with the KDF and judge by that." - Dan Stahl
Yup, I know all about the track record of the development of the KDF.
And I can't really blame the people who have their doubts or don't believe that anything good will come from this for the KDF.
What I'm saying is - Cryptic has a new landlord and regardless of what individuals think of PWE, the truth is that they helped and invested in the Cryptic team. The game is obviosely doing very good according to what many devs. have stated and also by having a big expansion with a whole new faction added. Their staff has grown double in numbers.
This is what makes me believe that it is possible for them to keep their word and deliver this time.
P.S. This is actually the first time we have visualy seen a confirmation that the KDF will start at lvl 1. I don't think that's something they'd do if there was the possibility to walk away from it. Also, the lack of leveling content was pointed out as the main reason for the KDF to start at lvl 20 on many ocassions by the devs. It would be reasonable to conclude that since they decided to give the opportunity to the KDF to start at the begining, they'll give the content that was missing.
STO has been around for 3 years now. I really don't think the devs. are just making the KDF start at lvl 1 without any content after what they stated before. I can't see them saying "Well whataya know, us wuz joking before!"
It makes sense. While I have been overly critical of Cryptic for their total lack of anything developed for KDF in so long. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and holding off any negative opinions until I see what they have done for the expansions.
Being able to start any faction at level 1 and being able to choose what faction you can start with and the reasons you mentioned above has made me decided upon this coarse of action.
I'm just waiting till May. As I see it every promise made to the Federation side has been fulfilled. Ambassador, Vesta, Andorian escort etc. Perhaps now they are finally going to complete the promises they made to the KDF as well as giving the Romulans their own piece of the action.
May isn't that far away, less than two months now. I think we all have at the very least hold out negative comments until we see what we get or don't get. Anyone can see some of my older posts form 6 months ago, I was really annoyed with the lack of development and if I can bite my tongue I think any negative person can until the expansion is released.
I am hoping they'll improve the server space and stability of the servers for this expansion too.
Have a Federation Commander and a Klingon Captain (well he's a Gorn actually).
While I enjoy KDF more at the moment, I doubt I'll start a new Klingon now.
I do hope that I will be able to play the new low level Klingon content with my Gorn Captain as well though.
If the latter is the case, will I be dissapointed? No, there will be still enough to enjoy with all the new stuff.
BTW starting a Klingon character at level 1 is nice, but for me, a player with a couple of level 50 characters, playing with a character with limited capabilities, a ship with for and aft beam bank and a torpedo is just not interesting. On a side note. Playing at low levels the game isn't easy. I just point to the threads were people complain that the Romulan Warbird is to strong. I myself have been killed by Warbirds and Mogais as lieutenant and commander. I replay those missions often for ship equipment and I roll over them now.
R.I.P
It does seem they're going to allow base level starts for the Klingon faction. Having xp'd KDF from low level, I'm not sure that's such a good idea unless more content is made available. In any event, I don't believe it will have a significant impact on KDF population numbers. Most STO players simply prefer to play Starfleet as that's what the shows emphasized. In fact, the arrival of the Romulan faction is likely to offset any gains the KDF may experience. Really, aside from pvp, which is c**ptastic in sto anyway, the only serious flaw with the KDF is the low volume of faction specific content. I can't see that changing anytime soon as a company has to give emphasis to its primary customer base and that just isn't going to be the KDF.
I remember those days with loathing! It cost Cryptic two paying customers when my Trek loving friends were repulsed by the botched KDF roll out and horrible, mind numbing, grind it entailed back then. From my perspective, newer KDF players have nothing to complain about in comparison. Of course, that's like saying getting hit by a car isn't as painful as getting hit by a bus...:)
I would still love to see more 'KDF point of view' to some of these common missions. To joke, have a reason why a klingon warrior would run after epohhs for tagging?
...
Level 6 actually. To play the KDF faction, you had to get a Fed to level 6.
Well... I guess there Klingons have their own version of a Turducken and you have to start somewhere?
My biggest worry right now about KDF content for the May expansion, is what new themed character should I make to start at level 1? I already have a Klingon female Tactical character flying a B'Rel and an Orion female Engineer flying a Marauder Patrol Cruiser. What to do next...? Hmmmm.
(UFP) Ragnar
Suggestion
Make a sci. (obvious isn't it
But, since you already own a B'rel, try building it into science. The play is quite different from that perspective.
Hmmmmm, you might be on to something sir. A male Gorn Sci character with a Gorn Hegemony ship in mind would be interesting.
(UFP) Ragnar
Leathean's with their mind tricks can be fun especially against Reman's. Giving them their own medicine back.
Would seem like an STO April fool's gag anyway
*pencils in "xavierprotocols" to the head of list for time in the agonizer booth today*
To that other fella. I do the KDF ombat scientist a lot myself.
of course the typical complaint is.. "Hey, its a ground stf. I could use some healing here!"
my typical reply is pretty much "Oh, didn't bring your own hypo's? Rub two tribble and call me in the morning."
I'm all into preventitive health maintainence. I belive in killing the bad guy before he kills you.
In space I use a battlecruiser for my sci with the engineer BOFF's and DOFF's to keep the ship healthy. While I command, and do that who-do? That vodoo, that I do, soOOOOOOooooo welllllll!
KDF sci ships had best be movers with guns... really bothers me that the best KDF sci ship in the game happens the be a Federation ship.
Khemaraa sends
Oldkhemaraa, do you have builds up on stoacademy? If you do, I'll like to check them out.
I.... I'm actually pondering the side effects of rubbing two tribbles together. So far I'm thinking "electric shock burst" or "organic matter explosion."
(UFP) Ragnar
It's the secret behind the isometric charge.;)
By the blade of Kahless, is THAT how we got rid of the Tribble infestation?
(UFP) Ragnar
Actually, the invention of the tribble-fueled warp reactor did that.
Yes, while the Romulans were building their Quantum Singularity Drive, the Klingons built the Tribble Screamularity Drive.
"Just shovel some more in there, guys!"