Some of us here payed a lot of money to be here in the 18 months it was P2P, should we just abandon that investment, or hang around in the slim hope that possibly, one day, the game might become more than the grind feast, lockbox lottery it turned into when it went free to play.
So we log in once in a while and add our opinions to the occasional forum topic.
There is your answer.
In other words, you're unable to accept the fact you made what has turned out to be a poor investment in your opinion, and would rather be mean-spirited and vitriolic every once in a while instead cutting your losses and moving on?
Well the romulan faction is a good thing for the game.Star trek as we know it has federation,klingon,romulan,cardassian,ferengi as most relevant factions so game is closing more to IP by this step.
About klingon faction it is a good thing that a new player will be able to start at level 1 so maybe new players will join after the movie will be launched
Personally I will wait to see what happens with ships that kdf is way left behind federation in this moment.If these ships will appear in near future and they will be good ships than as I said in another thread I will be satisfied for time being.
PS:that gowron negh'var should appear too even if I don't think it will be a big hit because it will bring the game closer to IP.A good kdf escort comparable with kumari should also appear.A much powerfull bop also would be nice (maybe a mix from the 2 existing fleet bops ? )
"There already is a Borg faction, its called the Federation. They assimilate everyone else's technology and remove any biological or technical distinctiveness and add it to their own."
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
I'd be happy too if they'd re-instate the old STF's (along side the new ones) .
That'd make me feel like I'm going on Real missions instead of quickies .
Guess I'll have to take what I'm given , but considering who is giving stuff to me , I also expect very little (but that very little will look very pretty ) .
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I remember staying up all night once to complete all three STF with my fleet. It was a long and tedious experience but, it was fun as hell.
Please Cryptic, bring back the old STFs as an option with perhaps a bonus reward for doing them.
I see no reason why "faith" would be "back". Improvement is physically impossible. Entropy always increases. They could not make even a second faction in 3 years, and now they propose to do this AND a third faction in two months? This can only end in disaster.
Well season 7 broke the ground sets which are now blocked entirely for a lot of us. STILL.
Basically the top reward, top item for ground play - that didn't have any problems before, is now not working AT ALL. Coming up on half a year now.
Also, flamethrower says hello.
Am I excited because they release a new season no not even remotely, to me it's what are they going to break this time.
Won't matter what items they announce if it won't even be in the game by season 9 anyway.
They trying to ignore it, not put in the work and pretending it didn't happen ist just part of what they'd have to make it for in addition to the "60% saved time" promise.
Here is how I see it, if they hadn't put season 7 out there how many sets could I have gindined on how many toons.
That, along with apology and recognition and admission would go a long in restoring some faith, KNOWING they'd at the very least be ready to work on high priority stuff that isn't working.
If they going to rush it same as last time, break things and have the top rewards not working again and top it off with pretending there is no problem, I'd rather not have them release it.
I see no reason why "faith" would be "back". Improvement is physically impossible. Entropy always increases. They could not make even a second faction in 3 years, and now they propose to do this AND a third faction in two months? This can only end in disaster.
Since this game that we're both discussing is completely VIRTUAL, I'll agree that while improvement is physically impossible, improvement is virtually coming like a steamroller and quite a few people have their backsides turned towards the coming future.
I'll have to also disagree with the whole "make a second faction in 3 yrs thing." Of course I consider the ability to roll a character in a particular faction with a particular faction ship as being a "made faction". Anything I can do with that character and ship after that is considerable icing on the cake. And now I will have my favored faction to enjoy.
Disaster? Nope, Cryptic will release pretty much what they say they are going to and continue to move the game along the path that they choose. We just get the chance to hop aboard and enjoy the ride or get off at the next stop. And I have a lifetime ticket to continue enjoying the ride.
In other words, you're unable to accept the fact you made what has turned out to be a poor investment in your opinion, and would rather be mean-spirited and vitriolic every once in a while instead cutting your losses and moving on?
Ah, so unless your slapping Cryptic on the back on these forums your being " mean-spirited and vitriolic". lol
And why would i walk a way from a LTS, why would anybody walk away from the time and money they invested into this game, that would simply be silly, you would be cutting your nose off to spite yourself, regardless of how stagnated the game has become, and even while this game has issues, would you really want people simply walking away from it, is that not counter productive to the very game itself.
Not really faith, I mean the fact that the Tholian Red Alerts and some of the Borg Red Alerts have been bugged since October/November of 2012 doesn't give me much faith in this game at all.
This new content drop looks all shiny and new but when I see "New Tholian Rep System" I just see "New End Game Grind" in big shiny neon letters. I'm sure the 1-50 for Romulans will be fun and interesting...unless they just re-skin half the current Fed vs. Romulan content, but given how easy it is to get to 50 in the game now, it's still end game that bothers me.
I don't care about grinding marks anymore. Honestly I want more story/lore content. I want more story based content on the Borg and Undine. I can't tell you how much it let me down to finally get the hail from Quinn to go to Borg Space and then I get there and it's 4 lousy missions that I get done in less than an hour. Really?? Same goes for the Undine. You have me spend half the damn game on Bajor and DS9 playing around with the Carassians who I could quite honestly care less about and then when I get to the real baddies of Trek, it's a whole 8 missions between the Borg/Undine. Unless you want to replay stuff over and over you basically are stuck doing STFs or PVP at end game and just grinding marks and dilithium.
This new faction and all the bells and whistles will do nothing to change that, and I'd almost guarantee the "good" Romulan ships will all be released in some type of lockbox lottery like everything else.
I don't know if I'd call it faith, but I have to give this content respect, adding a full third faction instead of just throwing remans to kdf and romulans to feds is a pretty stand up move.
They could have played it safe and probably would have appeased enough of the playerbase to plod a mediocre path.
Instead they went for it, full blast, all in, that's the kind of developers you want working your favourite IP.
If they pull this off it will likely be the first time a third faction has been added to a two faction MMO. Integrating a completely new faction touches on every single piece of the game, from basic UI to PVP, it's a monumental amount of work and manhours, and a huge financial investment. I can't think of a studio that has a profitable game out now that would even toy with the idea. It's a really bold move, and in this free to play mmo saturated market breaking the mold is how you stand out.
I've been critical of the direction the game has taken on many occasions, hell my main is KDF from week one of launch, and I've raked Cryptic over the coals my fair share, but I take my hats of to this, it takes guts and hard work to take a risk like this, no matter how it turns out it's a bold move.
I've been critical of the direction the game has taken on many occasions, hell my main is KDF from week one of launch, and I've raked Cryptic over the coals my fair share, but I take my hats of to this, it takes guts and hard work to take a risk like this, no matter how it turns out it's a bold move.
Bold? Or foolhardy?
The way I see it, is that the only way to grow the game (i.e. bring in new players) is to add a new faction - the player population has already peaked, Season 7 brought some people back, made some people leave - the players that remain are spending the same amount of money more or less that they were.
The only way to increase profits now (outside of an insane economy squeeze and/or faster turnaround of lockboxes) is to introduce a new faction - and of course, they can't do that until they've 'finished' the KDF.
Which is why my expectations are so low for the KDF 1-20 stuff - they don't want to work on it at all but it'd raise a lot of questions (and the forums would explode with angry posts from KDF players) if they announced a new faction without some token nod towards the KDF.
Should KDF players be grateful for that? I don't think so but I'll reserve judgment until we know more.
I hope they have seriously considered changing that aspect of this game so that it can return to what Star Trek, ie Gene's vision of this IP really was.
Gene was a business man out ot make some money, nothing more and nothing less (he even wrote lyrics to the opening theme of TOS so he could cash in on loyalties).
I would say Cryptic is living up to those ideals quite well.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Gene was a business man out ot make some money, nothing more and nothing less (he even wrote lyrics to the opening theme of TOS so he could cash in on loyalties).
I would say Cryptic is living up to those ideals quite well.
Contrary to Gene Roddenberry, Cryptic isn't even trying to make the Federation look like a culture where money hasn't any special value anymore.
The only thing Crypitc is sucessing at is the implementation of Ferengi way of thinking to the Federation, which is clearly a step into the wrong direction.
So yeah, they are adding something of Mr. Roddenberrys vision to the game, but they could have turned the Federation into a collective just as well.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
It certainly should calm people who think they're content to let STO die on the vine.
Will it be a smashing success? Who knows! I think I'll be really happy with the new UI and the traits look good no matter what else they do.
As I've said before, I'd rather if beyond this, they focused on a general "non-aligned" or "refugee/mercenary" faction because I think there are, overall, better uses of their time than constantly adding factions. (But I do think being able to play Cardassians, Chalnoth, etc. would be nice.) I actually think the Decipher cardgame was pretty ideal when they had Fed/Rom/Klingon and a generic catch all for everyone else under the idea that anybody else was basically a spoiler in Fed/Rom/KDF affairs. I feel like added factions kinda bogged the cardgame down (although I could buy more comprehensive traits or species locked ships or missions within a miscellaneous faction).
I think Fed/KDF/Rom is a nice trinity to have. I think playing as Cardassians, Hirogen, space pirates, etc. in SOME FORM is desirable. (Heck, I'd be fine with just letting other species faction hop between the three and retrofitting some like Nausicaans and Ferengi to do this.) But I also hope they don't get locked into a faction every year because I think the game's core mechanics could probably use the love too.
Not really faith, I mean the fact that the Tholian Red Alerts and some of the Borg Red Alerts have been bugged since October/November of 2012 doesn't give me much faith in this game at all.
What really blows my mind is that when asked if they were going to make more they said they didn't want to because they were buggy..... so instead of fixing them they prefer to not make any more??!! /facepalm
The only way to increase profits now (outside of an insane economy squeeze and/or faster turnaround of lockboxes) is to introduce a new faction - and of course, they can't do that until they've 'finished' the KDF.
Which is why my expectations are so low for the KDF 1-20 stuff - they don't want to work on it at all but it'd raise a lot of questions (and the forums would explode with angry posts from KDF players) if they announced a new faction without some token nod towards the KDF.
Should KDF players be grateful for that? I don't think so but I'll reserve judgment until we know more.
I have to agree, its so low on their radar they didn't even think to announce it first and release separately. Can anyone imagine the huge goodwill announcing lvls 1-20 for the KDF would've garnered them? At least if it was done properly, as it stands I'm uncertain what is delivered to the KDF will be satisfactory.
What really blows my mind is that when asked if they were going to make more they said they didn't want to because they were buggy..... so instead of fixing them they prefer to not make any more??!! /facepalm
I think the Red alert thing means that they want to figure out WHY the current implementation is buggy before they expand the system.
Anyways, as someone once said, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen." As such, it's kinda irrelevent.
It is very hard not to think of this scene from the movie "Equilibrium" when people are talking about faith in Cryptic.
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-Dupont-
You must understand, Preston, that while you -- and even I -- may not always agree with it, it is not the message that is important, it is our obedience to it. Father's will. Call it faith. You have it, I assume?
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-Preston-
Yes. I have it.
-Dupont-
Good.
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Whereupon Preston does some rather unspeakable things to the established order. Suffice to say.
I'm dubious that a 3rd faction is a good idea game mechanic-wise. It's PvP not PvPvP. Every game I've tried has a 'good' side and a 'bad' side. Not sure how a 3-way battle will work. Unless the Roms are gonna join a side.
I'm dubious that a 3rd faction is a good idea game mechanic-wise. It's PvP not PvPvP. Every game I've tried has a 'good' side and a 'bad' side. Not sure how a 3-way battle will work. Unless the Roms are gonna join a side.
Kerrat's already PvPvE, making PvPvP or PvPvPvE combats shouldn't be too hard.
The reason I ponied up with a lifetime sub is that I've seen this game get more fun to play as time went on. And that is still true now. I see no reason why it shouldn't be true for the new expansion. Well, I can think of many reasons, but I prefer inductive reasoning and evidence to morbid fantasies and make believe.
The question here, to the community, is simple. With the announcement of the new Romulan faction and a far more expanded(possibly finished) Klingon faction, and the myriad of other new additions, has your faith in Cryptic as a company been restored? strengthened? or were you one of the hopefuls that never lost it.
Cryptics Track record for making improvements speaks for its self. They've made big announcements before, only to fail to develop what they announced or completely forget they announced it in the first place. I don't remember which "Something you all want is coming" that turned into "We didn't have time to do what we said but here is this TRIBBLE we made for the C-Store" that I lost faith. Unless there is a sudden massive reversal of all the lies I've listened to for the past 3 years it's not coming back.
Not in the slightest. They need to actually PROVE that they can IMprove the game, with meaningful updates. Not just add new grind mechanics, new lockboxes and new useless shiny's.
Meaningful, meaning: New PVP maps, new STFs, new story missions, new rewards.
So far, it's all the usual "smoke and mirrors". Remains to be seen, if they actually make any meaningful improvements to the game.
For years we've all had our doubts that Cryptic could pull it together and make this game a true Trek experience. We've sat through content drouths that lasted nearly years. Klingons have had to suffer with half a faction since launch. We've seen difficulties with stability and bugs, some of which have been persistent.
However, today, we see Cryptic's best hand yet, and the single largest change to Star Trek Online since its launch in February of 2010.
The question here, to the community, is simple. With the announcement of the new Romulan faction and a far more expanded(possibly finished) Klingon faction, and the myriad of other new additions, has your faith in Cryptic as a company been restored? strengthened? or were you one of the hopefuls that never lost it.
Only faith in Cryptics faith in the all mighty dollar!
That said IMO Perfect World free to play model saved STO from complete failure in the second year. That and some great foundry missions! Now it is semi successful!
I think the Red alert thing means that they want to figure out WHY the current implementation is buggy before they expand the system.
Common sense would point to that being what's going on, and for a moment I did think that as well. But its been a looong time and the bugs are still there. Cryptic avoiding a problem instead of fixing it has a long precedence both in STO and CO. Just to name two: the STO pvp map that was removed was taken out "to be worked on"... that was years ago, and for the second.... I was going to pick a CO bug but there are so many things wrong in CO that it makes STO look like the pinnacle of good, bug free coding!
The reason I ponied up with a lifetime sub is that I've seen this game get more fun to play as time went on. And that is still true now. I see no reason why it shouldn't be true for the new expansion. Well, I can think of many reasons, but I prefer inductive reasoning and evidence to morbid fantasies and make believe.
I agree, I see a whol;e lot of morbid fantasies in the posts from people who bash Cryptic.
I've only just joined in the last few months and I see no reason to trust them now.
It was a nice honeymoon while it lasted, but I feel that all Cryptic's gonna do is push out shiny (and profitable) content without addressing problems or issues with gameplay.
I quit right before the duty officer patch came out with no hopes of ever seeing the playable Romulan faction I was promised years ago. I'm coming back just for that. It is up to Cryptic to prove it is worthy of my trust at this point. I am hoping it will be the case come May.
If it was a bad game i would not play it and would certainly not pay any money for it but i do it so it is a good game, at least for me.
I have all the faith cryptic does everything they can to keep it a good game. They have payday to at the end of the month and that's due to the games they make.
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In other words, you're unable to accept the fact you made what has turned out to be a poor investment in your opinion, and would rather be mean-spirited and vitriolic every once in a while instead cutting your losses and moving on?
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About klingon faction it is a good thing that a new player will be able to start at level 1 so maybe new players will join after the movie will be launched
Personally I will wait to see what happens with ships that kdf is way left behind federation in this moment.If these ships will appear in near future and they will be good ships than as I said in another thread I will be satisfied for time being.
PS:that gowron negh'var should appear too even if I don't think it will be a big hit because it will bring the game closer to IP.A good kdf escort comparable with kumari should also appear.A much powerfull bop also would be nice (maybe a mix from the 2 existing fleet bops ? )
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I remember staying up all night once to complete all three STF with my fleet. It was a long and tedious experience but, it was fun as hell.
Please Cryptic, bring back the old STFs as an option with perhaps a bonus reward for doing them.
Basically the top reward, top item for ground play - that didn't have any problems before, is now not working AT ALL. Coming up on half a year now.
Also, flamethrower says hello.
Am I excited because they release a new season no not even remotely, to me it's what are they going to break this time.
Won't matter what items they announce if it won't even be in the game by season 9 anyway.
They trying to ignore it, not put in the work and pretending it didn't happen ist just part of what they'd have to make it for in addition to the "60% saved time" promise.
Here is how I see it, if they hadn't put season 7 out there how many sets could I have gindined on how many toons.
That, along with apology and recognition and admission would go a long in restoring some faith, KNOWING they'd at the very least be ready to work on high priority stuff that isn't working.
If they going to rush it same as last time, break things and have the top rewards not working again and top it off with pretending there is no problem, I'd rather not have them release it.
Since this game that we're both discussing is completely VIRTUAL, I'll agree that while improvement is physically impossible, improvement is virtually coming like a steamroller and quite a few people have their backsides turned towards the coming future.
I'll have to also disagree with the whole "make a second faction in 3 yrs thing." Of course I consider the ability to roll a character in a particular faction with a particular faction ship as being a "made faction". Anything I can do with that character and ship after that is considerable icing on the cake. And now I will have my favored faction to enjoy.
Disaster? Nope, Cryptic will release pretty much what they say they are going to and continue to move the game along the path that they choose. We just get the chance to hop aboard and enjoy the ride or get off at the next stop. And I have a lifetime ticket to continue enjoying the ride.
Ah, so unless your slapping Cryptic on the back on these forums your being " mean-spirited and vitriolic". lol
And why would i walk a way from a LTS, why would anybody walk away from the time and money they invested into this game, that would simply be silly, you would be cutting your nose off to spite yourself, regardless of how stagnated the game has become, and even while this game has issues, would you really want people simply walking away from it, is that not counter productive to the very game itself.
This new content drop looks all shiny and new but when I see "New Tholian Rep System" I just see "New End Game Grind" in big shiny neon letters. I'm sure the 1-50 for Romulans will be fun and interesting...unless they just re-skin half the current Fed vs. Romulan content, but given how easy it is to get to 50 in the game now, it's still end game that bothers me.
I don't care about grinding marks anymore. Honestly I want more story/lore content. I want more story based content on the Borg and Undine. I can't tell you how much it let me down to finally get the hail from Quinn to go to Borg Space and then I get there and it's 4 lousy missions that I get done in less than an hour. Really?? Same goes for the Undine. You have me spend half the damn game on Bajor and DS9 playing around with the Carassians who I could quite honestly care less about and then when I get to the real baddies of Trek, it's a whole 8 missions between the Borg/Undine. Unless you want to replay stuff over and over you basically are stuck doing STFs or PVP at end game and just grinding marks and dilithium.
This new faction and all the bells and whistles will do nothing to change that, and I'd almost guarantee the "good" Romulan ships will all be released in some type of lockbox lottery like everything else.
They could have played it safe and probably would have appeased enough of the playerbase to plod a mediocre path.
Instead they went for it, full blast, all in, that's the kind of developers you want working your favourite IP.
If they pull this off it will likely be the first time a third faction has been added to a two faction MMO. Integrating a completely new faction touches on every single piece of the game, from basic UI to PVP, it's a monumental amount of work and manhours, and a huge financial investment. I can't think of a studio that has a profitable game out now that would even toy with the idea. It's a really bold move, and in this free to play mmo saturated market breaking the mold is how you stand out.
I've been critical of the direction the game has taken on many occasions, hell my main is KDF from week one of launch, and I've raked Cryptic over the coals my fair share, but I take my hats of to this, it takes guts and hard work to take a risk like this, no matter how it turns out it's a bold move.
Bold? Or foolhardy?
The way I see it, is that the only way to grow the game (i.e. bring in new players) is to add a new faction - the player population has already peaked, Season 7 brought some people back, made some people leave - the players that remain are spending the same amount of money more or less that they were.
The only way to increase profits now (outside of an insane economy squeeze and/or faster turnaround of lockboxes) is to introduce a new faction - and of course, they can't do that until they've 'finished' the KDF.
Which is why my expectations are so low for the KDF 1-20 stuff - they don't want to work on it at all but it'd raise a lot of questions (and the forums would explode with angry posts from KDF players) if they announced a new faction without some token nod towards the KDF.
Should KDF players be grateful for that? I don't think so but I'll reserve judgment until we know more.
Gene was a business man out ot make some money, nothing more and nothing less (he even wrote lyrics to the opening theme of TOS so he could cash in on loyalties).
I would say Cryptic is living up to those ideals quite well.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
The only thing Crypitc is sucessing at is the implementation of Ferengi way of thinking to the Federation, which is clearly a step into the wrong direction.
So yeah, they are adding something of Mr. Roddenberrys vision to the game, but they could have turned the Federation into a collective just as well.
It certainly should calm people who think they're content to let STO die on the vine.
Will it be a smashing success? Who knows! I think I'll be really happy with the new UI and the traits look good no matter what else they do.
As I've said before, I'd rather if beyond this, they focused on a general "non-aligned" or "refugee/mercenary" faction because I think there are, overall, better uses of their time than constantly adding factions. (But I do think being able to play Cardassians, Chalnoth, etc. would be nice.) I actually think the Decipher cardgame was pretty ideal when they had Fed/Rom/Klingon and a generic catch all for everyone else under the idea that anybody else was basically a spoiler in Fed/Rom/KDF affairs. I feel like added factions kinda bogged the cardgame down (although I could buy more comprehensive traits or species locked ships or missions within a miscellaneous faction).
I think Fed/KDF/Rom is a nice trinity to have. I think playing as Cardassians, Hirogen, space pirates, etc. in SOME FORM is desirable. (Heck, I'd be fine with just letting other species faction hop between the three and retrofitting some like Nausicaans and Ferengi to do this.) But I also hope they don't get locked into a faction every year because I think the game's core mechanics could probably use the love too.
What really blows my mind is that when asked if they were going to make more they said they didn't want to because they were buggy..... so instead of fixing them they prefer to not make any more??!! /facepalm
I have to agree, its so low on their radar they didn't even think to announce it first and release separately. Can anyone imagine the huge goodwill announcing lvls 1-20 for the KDF would've garnered them? At least if it was done properly, as it stands I'm uncertain what is delivered to the KDF will be satisfactory.
Anyways, as someone once said, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen." As such, it's kinda irrelevent.
My character Tsin'xing
It is very hard not to think of this scene from the movie "Equilibrium" when people are talking about faith in Cryptic.
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-Dupont-
You must understand, Preston, that while you -- and even I -- may not always agree with it, it is not the message that is important, it is our obedience to it. Father's will. Call it faith. You have it, I assume?
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-Preston-
Yes. I have it.
-Dupont-
Good.
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Whereupon Preston does some rather unspeakable things to the established order. Suffice to say.
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My character Tsin'xing
I say we invent RvR!!! Well, alright, we need a time machine first, then it's doable... :P
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"...just look at my track record for making the improvements that I said we would with the KDF and judge by that." - Dan Stahl
Not in the slightest. They need to actually PROVE that they can IMprove the game, with meaningful updates. Not just add new grind mechanics, new lockboxes and new useless shiny's.
Meaningful, meaning: New PVP maps, new STFs, new story missions, new rewards.
So far, it's all the usual "smoke and mirrors". Remains to be seen, if they actually make any meaningful improvements to the game.
Only faith in Cryptics faith in the all mighty dollar!
That said IMO Perfect World free to play model saved STO from complete failure in the second year. That and some great foundry missions! Now it is semi successful!
Common sense would point to that being what's going on, and for a moment I did think that as well. But its been a looong time and the bugs are still there. Cryptic avoiding a problem instead of fixing it has a long precedence both in STO and CO. Just to name two: the STO pvp map that was removed was taken out "to be worked on"... that was years ago, and for the second.... I was going to pick a CO bug but there are so many things wrong in CO that it makes STO look like the pinnacle of good, bug free coding!
My character Tsin'xing
It was a nice honeymoon while it lasted, but I feel that all Cryptic's gonna do is push out shiny (and profitable) content without addressing problems or issues with gameplay.
If it was a bad game i would not play it and would certainly not pay any money for it but i do it so it is a good game, at least for me.
I have all the faith cryptic does everything they can to keep it a good game. They have payday to at the end of the month and that's due to the games they make.