Lol, I always giggle when people get irritated with cloak.
Look, I understand. Cloaking is one of the coolest things since sliced bread. Nothing quite matches the feel of popping out of cloak and blasting something to bits.
Once the novelty wears off, you realize cloak is not all that.
Could it be? Yes, I suppose it could have, but its not. Cloak is gimmicky as all get out. In most cases you get to use it once or twice, and then it is sitting there as a useless button. Sometimes it gets you killed. It doesn't offer the visual protection you would expect, either. Yes it helps, but it is for the most part a flavor thing.
If I got to snap my finger and snatch something from the KDF, cloaking would be at the bottom of the list... Yet people lose their minds on both sides of the argument if you even mention a cloaking device...
Edit: And I serously doubt we will get a Romulan faction and no Scimitar. To much profit to be had with that ship. If I had to guess it would be a slightly more sciency version of a Gal-X or a Bortasqu', big, heavy, slow, cloaks, DHC, big DPS cooldown. I wonder which would be higher, the amount of people that formerly pooed on the Gal-X and Bort that said the Scimitar was amazing or the people saying the Scimitar sucks because they never learned how to aim a big ship =P
Who am I kidding, there will be more complainers, that is like the second law of thermodynamics or something =P
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Cloak is gimmicky as all get out. In most cases you get to use it once or twice, and then it is sitting there as a useless button. Sometimes it gets you killed. It doesn't offer the visual protection you would expect, either. Yes it helps, but it is for the most part a flavor thing.
Only true for normal cloaks; Battle Cloak is another thing entirely. As long as you can slap on a hull resist and up your speed, you can always get out of Dodge with BC.
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I am thinking all Romulan ships will get the battle cloak, it will much resemble the active ability you get when you hit T5 reputation which give you the ability to fire for short period while cloaked.
To the best of my knowledge their battleships and destroyer/BC type ships do not have cloaks. I'd guess they'll be on more than just the birds of prey, but lots of ships won't have them too.
Wrong. Did you ever watch TNG? The number of times you see a D'Deridex class warbird decloak in front of the Ent-D is astronomical. Plus DS9, during the dominion war you see an additional few. And let's remember, the Romulans GAVE the Klingons cloak. As far as we know, the Romulans invented the technology, and everyone else got it from them. So they should have the most advanced 'cloaking' systems, no matter what. Keep in mind with the hyper plasma torps and the omega torps still tracking you even after you cloaked if fired before, battlecloak isn't as strong as it once was. You REALLY don't want a plasma singularity hitting you with shields down!
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Remember the episode of TOS where the Romulans are first encountered?
What do they attack with?
Oh yeah, a giant plasma ball out of nowhere. They can fire those cloaked. Expect battle cloaks on many ships. Romulans are *better* at cloaking than klinks.
Romulans decloak only when they want you to know they're there. The scenes in TNG where D'Deridexes decloaked in front of the Enterprise? Those were intimidation attempts. "Oh hey, we can make our giant disruptor-studded two mile long battleship disappear, can you do that? How many more could be hiding?" Etc.
Romulans have the best cloaks and will be far harder to knock them out of it. You might use that ability to knock Klingons out of cloak but it wont work as good on Romulan ships and in fact might just make the them shimmer. I expect the stealth skill is going to play a huge factor and its going to start making it necessary for people to have high sensors in order to detect them but that's if they pass the skill check which will not be easy. Oh ya Romulans love firing torpedo's from cloak which does not de-cloak them at all.
Remember the episode of TOS where the Romulans are first encountered?
What do they attack with?
Oh yeah, a giant plasma ball out of nowhere. They can fire those cloaked. Expect battle cloaks on many ships. Romulans are *better* at cloaking than klinks.
Romulans decloak only when they want you to know they're there. The scenes in TNG where D'Deridexes decloaked in front of the Enterprise? Those were intimidation attempts. "Oh hey, we can make our giant disruptor-studded two mile long battleship disappear, can you do that? How many more could be hiding?" Etc.
Remember the episode of TOS where the Romulans are first encountered?
What do they attack with?
Oh yeah, a giant plasma ball out of nowhere. They can fire those cloaked. Expect battle cloaks on many ships. Romulans are *better* at cloaking than klinks.
Romulans decloak only when they want you to know they're there. The scenes in TNG where D'Deridexes decloaked in front of the Enterprise? Those were intimidation attempts. "Oh hey, we can make our giant disruptor-studded two mile long battleship disappear, can you do that? How many more could be hiding?" Etc.
Uh no they had to uncloak to fire the plasma weapon.
As for the question of Romulans having cloaks I would think yes since it was Romulans who invented cloaking technology, the Klingons got the technology from them through a technology exchange during a short lived alliance.
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Did you even watch the video? The ship's only visible at the moment of firing, then gone again.
That's not even decloaking, that's the projectile lighting up the ship that fired it.
Yeah, it's visible.
It is visible for several seconds before firing.
That's DECLOAKING.
And it's nothing like your ridicilous claim "a giant plasma ball out of nowhere."
I watched the episode when it first ran and the hundreds of times since, it was it's need to uncloak that the Enterprise used to target it when they finally defeated it. The first time a ship that could fire cloaked was encountered was during Undiscovered Country with Chang's prototype Bop.
Romulans certainly will have cloaks but battlecloaks are a Klingon innovation which Romulans may or may not have.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
The original BoP from Balance of Terror seemed to be able to fire a heavy plasma while staying basically cloaked. The concept of it was to do submarine warfare, so this is like a sub firing a torpedo while submerged. Spock did point out that in order to cloak and fire, the ship had to dedicate all of its power to those two things, making it both defenseless and slow. Once Enterprise had a decent idea where it was, it was easily overtaken and flushed out.
To keep it "canon", the ship would have to drop shields to 0 (like any cloak) and cut engines to 25. Remaining power gets dumped to Weapons and Aux (100/0/25/75). Oh, and you'd only be able to fire a single, slow moving, super high yield plasma with a long recharge time. Good luck with that.
Most likely in game we'll see a setup similar to Klingons where battle cloak is reserved for BoPs, and maybe specific escorts. It's this way for game balance reasons, regardless of canon. There may be a retrofit version of the original BoP that functions like the B'Rel retrofit, but that's all.
The original BoP from Balance of Terror seemed to be able to fire a heavy plasma while staying basically cloaked. The concept of it was to do submarine warfare, so this is like a sub firing a torpedo while submerged. Spock did point out that in order to cloak and fire, the ship had to dedicate all of its power to those two things, making it both defenseless and slow. Once Enterprise had a decent idea where it was, it was easily overtaken and flushed out.
Sorry, but that's not what Spock said.
KIRK: Position of the intruder, Mister Spock.
SPOCK: Disappeared. Interesting how they became visible for just a moment.
KIRK: When they opened fire. Perhaps necessary when they use their weapon.
SPOCK: I have a blip on the motion sensor. Could be the intruder.
KIRK: Go to full magnification.
SULU: Screen is on full mag, sir.
KIRK: I don't see anything. I can't understand it.
SPOCK: Invisibility is theoretically possible, Captain, with selective bending of light. But the power cost is enormous.
They may have solved that problem.
And the analogy was that of a WW2 submarine that had to rise to periscope depth where it was easily be seen and fired upon.;)
I would say a select few have battlecloak standard, but all Romulan ships have a battlecloak. However a crafted or Z-store console upgrades the standard cloak to a battlecloak for those who want and can use it.
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LOL, when has balance and planning ever stopped a new game breaker ?
Every time they had an opportunity to release something game breaking and didn't.
If you need something more concrete, take stock of the number of ridiculously overpowered suggestions made on these forums that were totally and utterly ignored.
Depending on your source, you'll find the Valdore described as a Valdore, Mogai or Norexan class warbird.
There was no class ascribed to it by Nemesis.
Norexean comes for the card game, Mogai from the novels as well as STO itself.
And what are we discussing here in the STO forums?
The card game?:rolleyes:
p.s. I have yet to find any source, canon or soft canon that uses Valdore as a "class" designator (not "type" or "style" or whatever)
Every time they had an opportunity to release something game breaking and didn't.
If you need something more concrete, take stock of the number of ridiculously overpowered suggestions made on these forums that were totally and utterly ignored.
When was that ?
Surely you havent forgotten about the whole dilith/STF issue in the rep system, or Tric mines and stacking SNB doff's.
Norexean comes for the card game, Mogai from the novels as well as STO itself.
And what are we discussing here in the STO forums?
The card game?:rolleyes:
You were making a statement that a ship of an unstated class (in this case the Valdore) was, because of data from a different source (in your case, STO), a member of a specific class (Mogai) when other sources (card games, books, games etc.) put said ship into three different categories (Valdore, Norexan and Mogai).
Then you proceeded to snark about a ship with a known class (Enterprise) being in it's own class when you knew damn well that wasn't the point the person you were quoting was making.
Or did you forget all that when you tried changing the subject?
As to the op, i would like basic cloak on most, an enhanced(maybe battle cloak) one on some, and a totally new cloak style as a special ability on a few.
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Well it says "unleash the new and devastating powers of the Singularity Core." on the page so clearly Romulans will be getting some unique abilities. The SC could make cloaked ships extremely hard to detect/uncover by Feds and Klingons.
Well it says "unleash the new and devastating powers of the Singularity Core." on the page so clearly Romulans will be getting some unique abilities. The SC could make cloaked ships extremely hard to detect/uncover by Feds and Klingons.
I wouldn't be sure that the singularity core statement is a unique ability. Based on the rumors, this might be the start of the "warp core" slot on starships, where you can upgrade the warp core in addition to the impusle engines.
As for the cloaks, every Romulan ship has been shown to cloak, either in the show in in game. I'd say Bird of Prey's get battle cloaks, and warbirds get plain cloaks. Mogai could go either way, depending on the source. Personally I'll be happy if I can paint a huge flaming bird on the bottom of each Romulan ship.
And yeah, if the Romulans get a T5 TOS Bird of Prey, I want a T5 Exeter at least.
Only true for normal cloaks; Battle Cloak is another thing entirely. As long as you can slap on a hull resist and up your speed, you can always get out of Dodge with BC.
That's not necessarily the case. In a 5v5 battle, yeah. In a place like Ker'rat, where the KDF are usually fighting outnumbered. . .not so much. Smart Federation players know to hit BoPs with engine disables, tractor beams, and various universal console abilities like graviton pulse.
Plenty of ways to keep a BoP from escaping smoothly, and a BoP can only carry so many countermeasures :P
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Well, some Federation players occasionally complain about the cloaks that KDF ships have, especially the 'vaunted' BoP battlecloak.
One can logically assume that Romulans will have cloaks that are as good as KDF cloaks, if not slightly better or offer more bonuses than KDF cloaks. Hence, the statement that 'you Feds will really hate these guys'.
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LOL, when has balance and planning ever stopped a new game breaker ?
Except that battlecloaks aren't really a game breaker. They're not anything along the lines of an I-Win button. They're situational, and it's really easy (at least in a BoP) to get your TRIBBLE blown up when using a battlecloak. The only time I've been able to cloak in active battle without risking destruction is if I'm either fighting Federation Kirks flying cruisers that aren't built properly (and therefore aren't doing much damage), or if I'm in a fight where all enemies are distracted and not focusing on me.
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Why?
I don't get it?
Look, I understand. Cloaking is one of the coolest things since sliced bread. Nothing quite matches the feel of popping out of cloak and blasting something to bits.
Once the novelty wears off, you realize cloak is not all that.
Could it be? Yes, I suppose it could have, but its not. Cloak is gimmicky as all get out. In most cases you get to use it once or twice, and then it is sitting there as a useless button. Sometimes it gets you killed. It doesn't offer the visual protection you would expect, either. Yes it helps, but it is for the most part a flavor thing.
If I got to snap my finger and snatch something from the KDF, cloaking would be at the bottom of the list... Yet people lose their minds on both sides of the argument if you even mention a cloaking device...
Edit: And I serously doubt we will get a Romulan faction and no Scimitar. To much profit to be had with that ship. If I had to guess it would be a slightly more sciency version of a Gal-X or a Bortasqu', big, heavy, slow, cloaks, DHC, big DPS cooldown. I wonder which would be higher, the amount of people that formerly pooed on the Gal-X and Bort that said the Scimitar was amazing or the people saying the Scimitar sucks because they never learned how to aim a big ship =P
Who am I kidding, there will be more complainers, that is like the second law of thermodynamics or something =P
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Only true for normal cloaks; Battle Cloak is another thing entirely. As long as you can slap on a hull resist and up your speed, you can always get out of Dodge with BC.
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Wrong. Did you ever watch TNG? The number of times you see a D'Deridex class warbird decloak in front of the Ent-D is astronomical. Plus DS9, during the dominion war you see an additional few. And let's remember, the Romulans GAVE the Klingons cloak. As far as we know, the Romulans invented the technology, and everyone else got it from them. So they should have the most advanced 'cloaking' systems, no matter what. Keep in mind with the hyper plasma torps and the omega torps still tracking you even after you cloaked if fired before, battlecloak isn't as strong as it once was. You REALLY don't want a plasma singularity hitting you with shields down!
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Remember the episode of TOS where the Romulans are first encountered?
What do they attack with?
Oh yeah, a giant plasma ball out of nowhere. They can fire those cloaked. Expect battle cloaks on many ships. Romulans are *better* at cloaking than klinks.
Romulans decloak only when they want you to know they're there. The scenes in TNG where D'Deridexes decloaked in front of the Enterprise? Those were intimidation attempts. "Oh hey, we can make our giant disruptor-studded two mile long battleship disappear, can you do that? How many more could be hiding?" Etc.
Yeah, I remember TOS do you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZNPkyXJ8KA
The ship always decloaked before firing.
So what is your post based on?
As for the question of Romulans having cloaks I would think yes since it was Romulans who invented cloaking technology, the Klingons got the technology from them through a technology exchange during a short lived alliance.
That's not even decloaking, that's the projectile lighting up the ship that fired it.
p.s. the ships in Nemesis are Valdores, not Mogais.
Yeah, it's visible.
It is visible for several seconds before firing.
That's DECLOAKING.
And it's nothing like your ridicilous claim "a giant plasma ball out of nowhere."
The ship Donatra was in commanding in Nemesis was called "Valdore", not the ship class.
Or was every Enterprise of the "Enterprise class"?
Romulans certainly will have cloaks but battlecloaks are a Klingon innovation which Romulans may or may not have.
To keep it "canon", the ship would have to drop shields to 0 (like any cloak) and cut engines to 25. Remaining power gets dumped to Weapons and Aux (100/0/25/75). Oh, and you'd only be able to fire a single, slow moving, super high yield plasma with a long recharge time. Good luck with that.
Most likely in game we'll see a setup similar to Klingons where battle cloak is reserved for BoPs, and maybe specific escorts. It's this way for game balance reasons, regardless of canon. There may be a retrofit version of the original BoP that functions like the B'Rel retrofit, but that's all.
T5 BoP :rolleyes: I can just hear the T5 Connie people frothing already.
Sorry, but that's not what Spock said.
KIRK: Position of the intruder, Mister Spock.
SPOCK: Disappeared. Interesting how they became visible for just a moment.
KIRK: When they opened fire. Perhaps necessary when they use their weapon.
SPOCK: I have a blip on the motion sensor. Could be the intruder.
KIRK: Go to full magnification.
SULU: Screen is on full mag, sir.
KIRK: I don't see anything. I can't understand it.
SPOCK: Invisibility is theoretically possible, Captain, with selective bending of light. But the power cost is enormous.
They may have solved that problem.
And the analogy was that of a WW2 submarine that had to rise to periscope depth where it was easily be seen and fired upon.;)
Depending on your source, you'll find the Valdore described as a Valdore, Mogai or Norexan class warbird.
There was no class ascribed to it by Nemesis.
LOL, when has balance and planning ever stopped a new game breaker ?
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Every time they had an opportunity to release something game breaking and didn't.
If you need something more concrete, take stock of the number of ridiculously overpowered suggestions made on these forums that were totally and utterly ignored.
Norexean comes for the card game, Mogai from the novels as well as STO itself.
And what are we discussing here in the STO forums?
The card game?:rolleyes:
p.s. I have yet to find any source, canon or soft canon that uses Valdore as a "class" designator (not "type" or "style" or whatever)
When was that ?
Surely you havent forgotten about the whole dilith/STF issue in the rep system, or Tric mines and stacking SNB doff's.
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You were making a statement that a ship of an unstated class (in this case the Valdore) was, because of data from a different source (in your case, STO), a member of a specific class (Mogai) when other sources (card games, books, games etc.) put said ship into three different categories (Valdore, Norexan and Mogai).
Then you proceeded to snark about a ship with a known class (Enterprise) being in it's own class when you knew damn well that wasn't the point the person you were quoting was making.
Or did you forget all that when you tried changing the subject?
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I wouldn't be sure that the singularity core statement is a unique ability. Based on the rumors, this might be the start of the "warp core" slot on starships, where you can upgrade the warp core in addition to the impusle engines.
As for the cloaks, every Romulan ship has been shown to cloak, either in the show in in game. I'd say Bird of Prey's get battle cloaks, and warbirds get plain cloaks. Mogai could go either way, depending on the source. Personally I'll be happy if I can paint a huge flaming bird on the bottom of each Romulan ship.
And yeah, if the Romulans get a T5 TOS Bird of Prey, I want a T5 Exeter at least.
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nice episode..
but it's DECADES old.. Romulans Battle Cloaks sure have evolved..
That's not necessarily the case. In a 5v5 battle, yeah. In a place like Ker'rat, where the KDF are usually fighting outnumbered. . .not so much. Smart Federation players know to hit BoPs with engine disables, tractor beams, and various universal console abilities like graviton pulse.
Plenty of ways to keep a BoP from escaping smoothly, and a BoP can only carry so many countermeasures :P
Well, some Federation players occasionally complain about the cloaks that KDF ships have, especially the 'vaunted' BoP battlecloak.
One can logically assume that Romulans will have cloaks that are as good as KDF cloaks, if not slightly better or offer more bonuses than KDF cloaks. Hence, the statement that 'you Feds will really hate these guys'.
Except that battlecloaks aren't really a game breaker. They're not anything along the lines of an I-Win button. They're situational, and it's really easy (at least in a BoP) to get your TRIBBLE blown up when using a battlecloak. The only time I've been able to cloak in active battle without risking destruction is if I'm either fighting Federation Kirks flying cruisers that aren't built properly (and therefore aren't doing much damage), or if I'm in a fight where all enemies are distracted and not focusing on me.