I like the ears, i hope we can chose then in the character generator. Not those tiny hardly pointed vulcan ears. Romulans need to be able to awesome long pointy ears of listening!
No, Klingons were not just a different race of another species, I can understand Klingons but the change to the Romulans was pretty much incredible odd, it was done because Klingons had ridges and so they wanted to make then district from Vulcans and that is missing the point.
Same species, perhaps diferent races but same species and the ridges get no justification and they tried ... the last one I remenber is they got the ridges from crossbreeding with Remans, I would say that would perhaps make sense except ... Romulans are xenophobes.
Well, I would consider vulcans themselves to be soemthing of an exception. Heck, the federation themselves changed so drastically between TOS and the TOS movies that they might as well be seperate settings, despite havign the same cast. I would be in favor of a smooth-foreheaded option for TOS romulans, perhaps as indicative as some sort of recessive trait. KDF have a forehead option with less pronounced ridges, afterall.
I was wondering myself what happened to T'nae myself. From the way we know the Time vortex worked (alternate Yar not getting deleted when going to the past) T'nae must have made it back with her. It would be interesting to have her show up in a Romulan episode, perhaps in some sort of Romulan equivalent to the 'Faucility 4028' episode?
It's better design than the fugly, "we sprouted forehead ridges even though we're just exiled, xenophobic Vulcans, oh and we're only allowed haircuts inspired by the Three Stooges" look of The Next Generation.
Agreed. I hate the way TNG Romulans look soooo much.
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Remember we are talking about a non existent sci fi universe here, really now. Who cares if its not realistic that they have developed ridges, it makes them look distinct and cool and evil.
Remember we are talking about a non existent sci fi universe here, really now. Who cares if its not realistic that they have developed ridges, it makes them look distinct and cool and evil.
My Theory, especially after seeing the TNG episode "Who watches the watchers," is that the forehead ridges are something like attached versus detached earlobes or brown eyes versus blue eyes in humans, in other words a trait that can manifest or not manifest in the Vulcanoid races(Vulcans, Romulans, Mintakans, etc) based on heredity.
Of course, I do realize it was done to make the Romulans look distinct from the Vulcans.
You seem pretty hostile to the idea of romulans in general-you had the same complaint about them in at least one of the other romulan topics. Do you really want to play as Romulans?
I think giving them their own distinctive clothing and hairstyle, along with the forehead ridges went a long way to making them distinct. Also odd that you would have a problem with their hairstyle beign different from the vulcans, considering their hairstyles are not that much different anyways.
More on topic: I think she looks fine, a bit different from the Romulan norm, but still recognizably romulan. And more importantly not tarted up to the ridiculous extent the Vulcan lady was, which was ridiculous.
The whole point of Romulans were that they were not a separate species. They were simple another nation of Vulcans. The fact that you can't tell Romulan from Vulcan by looking at them was a major plot point in their introduction
Remember we are talking about a non existent sci fi universe here, really now. Who cares if its not realistic that they have developed ridges, it makes them look distinct and cool and evil.
But they are not supposed to look distinct Romulans ARE Vulcans. Vulcan's who rejected Surak and left Vulcan. That is quite literally the whole point of Romulans. Even in TNG they had Spock trying to reunite the two factions.
But they are not supposed to look distinct Romulans ARE Vulcans. Vulcan's who rejected Surak and left Vulcan. That is quite literally the whole point of Romulans. Even in TNG they had Spock trying to reunite the two factions.
They were exactly Vulcan, but things change after thousands of years on another world.
In TOS it was impossible to tell a Romulan from a Vulcan by look. TNG is only a hundredish years later.......The ridges were stupid TNG makeup artist BS that people keep trying to rationalize.
But they are not supposed to look distinct Romulans ARE Vulcans. Vulcan's who rejected Surak and left Vulcan. That is quite literally the whole point of Romulans. Even in TNG they had Spock trying to reunite the two factions.
There's nothing to say that those ridges aren't an ethnic trait that is now uncommon on Vulcan due to the way the global population split over Surak's teachings. It's quite likely that cultural differences on ancient Vulcan led to the teachings being rejected by entire groups or nations (if they had nations); just as would happen on Earth.
Heck, it could just be a glandular problem caused by weird alien plants they've taken to eating since leaving Vulcan. It's easy to come up for explanations for this stuff.
In TOS it was impossible to tell a Romulan from a Vulcan by look. TNG is only a hundredish years later.......The ridges were stupid TNG makeup artist BS that people keep trying to rationalize.
It doesn't matter it happened, plus how do you know they did not have rigges under all those helmets..
Only because the make up people on ENT got there ideas from TNG. Look I know we are stuck with ridges but only because the TNG make up department messed up in the first place. Leaving up to find ways to rationalize a bone headed mistake.
Only because the make up people on ENT got there ideas from TNG. Look I know we are stuck with ridges but only because the TNG make up department messed up in the first place. Leaving up to find ways to rationalize a bone headed mistake.
I think of it the same way TOR explains the Sith....Romulans came to new planet saw sub species Remens, enslaved them after years of breeding, Remens and Romulans with ridges formed, but there are still "pure Blood" Vulcans ish Romulan without ridges.
For all we know their could be Vulcans with ridges too. It could just be that the group of Vulcans separated, their happened to be more of those that had that rare gene with them, and it showed up more often in the smaller offshoot.
In short, her ears are TOO big and the points to defined/high. I'm guessing that they wanted the ears to be noticeable, hence the oversize, but c'mon...this isn't LOTR Online!
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Another IDIC - FAIL. Why is it that so many Trek fans want to compartmentalize so much of something that's supposed to be diverse? It's one thing if aspects of story continuity don't jive - things should at least try to make sense between episodes - but this is being uber-nitpicky. It's an artist's take on a Romulan chick. You know it's a Romulan chick. You know this game is a Star Trek game. I mean, did you go bonkers over Tuvok being black? Seriously, of all the things to complain about...
Honestly, I always viewed the Ridged Romulans as the "angry" Romulans (toned down the term for the forum). :P
Since we seen Romulans with and without the Ridges, even in TNG (Sela). It's safe to say that there was indeed different types of Romulans (like how the Human race has variations).
Maybe what I joked about really happened and the original Romulans who left Vulcan (thoswe who embrased emotion and passion) developed furrowed brows over hundreds of years.
And the less aggressive / passionate Romulans didn't evolve a furrowed brow.
I think of it the same way TOR explains the Sith....Romulans came to new planet saw sub species Remens, enslaved them after years of breeding, Remens and Romulans with ridges formed, but there are still "pure Blood" Vulcans ish Romulan without ridges.
Logical assumption. But given the Regal attitude of the Romulans, I would see them alienating Reman-Romulan hybrids.
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Well, I would consider vulcans themselves to be soemthing of an exception. Heck, the federation themselves changed so drastically between TOS and the TOS movies that they might as well be seperate settings, despite havign the same cast. I would be in favor of a smooth-foreheaded option for TOS romulans, perhaps as indicative as some sort of recessive trait. KDF have a forehead option with less pronounced ridges, afterall.
I was wondering myself what happened to T'nae myself. From the way we know the Time vortex worked (alternate Yar not getting deleted when going to the past) T'nae must have made it back with her. It would be interesting to have her show up in a Romulan episode, perhaps in some sort of Romulan equivalent to the 'Faucility 4028' episode?
That would be definitely against my message! So I say no, nope, no sir!
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Agreed. I hate the way TNG Romulans look soooo much.
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I ,for one welcome the relaxed hair regulations from the New Romulan Republic, then the Old Romulan Star Empire overlords.
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My Theory, especially after seeing the TNG episode "Who watches the watchers," is that the forehead ridges are something like attached versus detached earlobes or brown eyes versus blue eyes in humans, in other words a trait that can manifest or not manifest in the Vulcanoid races(Vulcans, Romulans, Mintakans, etc) based on heredity.
Of course, I do realize it was done to make the Romulans look distinct from the Vulcans.
The whole point of Romulans were that they were not a separate species. They were simple another nation of Vulcans. The fact that you can't tell Romulan from Vulcan by looking at them was a major plot point in their introduction
They were exactly Vulcan, but things change after thousands of years on another world.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Enemy_%28episode%29
In TOS it was impossible to tell a Romulan from a Vulcan by look. TNG is only a hundredish years later.......The ridges were stupid TNG makeup artist BS that people keep trying to rationalize.
There's nothing to say that those ridges aren't an ethnic trait that is now uncommon on Vulcan due to the way the global population split over Surak's teachings. It's quite likely that cultural differences on ancient Vulcan led to the teachings being rejected by entire groups or nations (if they had nations); just as would happen on Earth.
Heck, it could just be a glandular problem caused by weird alien plants they've taken to eating since leaving Vulcan. It's easy to come up for explanations for this stuff.
It doesn't matter it happened, plus how do you know they did not have rigges under all those helmets..
Plus this happened 100 year before TOS http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Valdore
Only because the make up people on ENT got there ideas from TNG. Look I know we are stuck with ridges but only because the TNG make up department messed up in the first place. Leaving up to find ways to rationalize a bone headed mistake.
I think of it the same way TOR explains the Sith....Romulans came to new planet saw sub species Remens, enslaved them after years of breeding, Remens and Romulans with ridges formed, but there are still "pure Blood" Vulcans ish Romulan without ridges.
Grade school Genetics people.
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Since we seen Romulans with and without the Ridges, even in TNG (Sela). It's safe to say that there was indeed different types of Romulans (like how the Human race has variations).
Maybe what I joked about really happened and the original Romulans who left Vulcan (thoswe who embrased emotion and passion) developed furrowed brows over hundreds of years.
And the less aggressive / passionate Romulans didn't evolve a furrowed brow.
Logical assumption. But given the Regal attitude of the Romulans, I would see them alienating Reman-Romulan hybrids.