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Cryptic, please don't make the Romulans a wuss!
gong1fu1panda
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Cryptic, please don't make the Romulans a wuss!
I was really hoping to play the classic Romulans, Tal'Shiar and all. But I actually I don't mind a fresh start. But... please do not make a second Federation or make us play those fake Romulans on New Romulus.
Aliens have the right to be different from the US!!! It is bad enough they ruined the Ferengi on DS9. Please do not mess up our Romulans with that boring, arrogant Western narcissism!!
I was really hoping to play the classic Romulans, Tal'Shiar and all. But I actually I don't mind a fresh start. But... please do not make a second Federation or make us play those fake Romulans on New Romulus.
Aliens have the right to be different from the US!!! It is bad enough they ruined the Ferengi on DS9. Please do not mess up our Romulans with that boring, arrogant Western narcissism!!
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Do you really think we can have the Tal Shiar suddenly coming back and help the RSE ?
Also, in TNG (the episode with Troi posing as a Tal Shiar), we can see the Tal Shiar are not really liked by the people and the military. They are ruthless and arrogant.
I don't mind having a "not so evil" Romulan faction. At least, we may avoid some cliche.
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The playable Romulans will be the New Romulus versions. The Tal Shiar are universal bad guys in league with the Iconians, who want to destroy all life in the galaxy. You're not going to be playing as part of the Tal Shiar, unless the storyline involves some how freeing them of the Iconians' influence.
Whether or not they are "a wuss" depends on you.
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The Romulans have always been a democratic society, even with the vicious political intrigue and back biting.
D'Tan has sought to remove that culture of mistrust and deception, and as the Vulcans would say that's logical. Lest you forget that that culture of corruption got old Romulus blasted to slag. And Federation influence is obvious since the movement D'Tan is in charge of is based on something Spock was heavily involved in founding. (At least its modern incarnation).
That said, I'm hoping the New Romulan forces that we will play as will be bad TRIBBLE like the first Romulan we ever saw, The Commander in Balance of Terror. Or Donatra before...well you know. An honorable counterpart to the Starfleet officers rather than a snake like Tomalak or Taris.
Not a fan of wussification either. Is that a legit word? :P
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Heres an idea make a Tal'Shiar fleet and role play as the Tal'Shiar this is your chance to write your own story enjoy this chance.
at least people will stop complaining about when we will see D'deridex's in lockboxes.
Anyway I think its not a matter of the new romulans being "wusses" I dont think that would be completely possible. just because they switched from being an empire to a republic things will change that fast. After all im sure the factions cant get through all their bad blood instantly.
I'm sure most the military is still remnants of whats left of the RSE's military and I doubt they will change their tactics that much with a name change, at least at the start. Seeing how the RomRep faction will develop will be interesting.
Here is a thought the "Bad Romulans" are Tal'Shiar or Remnant RSE Military hardliners that wont give up what they once had and lost.
I just hope the faction will be at least somewhat anti federation by the end.
That was also what I was hoping for. New Romulus as a good guy faction would be a greater violation than the J.J. reboot. I was also looking forward to playing a Hirogen. But I guess that would be unlogical since they collaborate with the Tal'Shiar.
The KDF actually felt like they were at war with the Federation at some point, but tons of common enemies (in-story reason) and shared-faction content (out-of-story reason) has put the KDF and the Federation on the same foot, essentially nuking that feel. The two almost feel interchangeable now. There's only so much "alliance to defeat common foes/accomplish common goals" one can take before the two pretty much are allies full-time. Who will the de-fanged Klingon Empire be tasked to protect and rescue next?
The Romulans should have their own path, unclouded by requirement to cooperate with others. Hopefully in their story they aren't leaning like crippled children trying to walk again with the Federation on one arm and the KDF on the other, dictating what they should do (it feels that way on New Romulus right now). As far as their content, it is my hope that Cryptic will avoid the trap of too much shared-faction content forcing a Romulan to act like a Fed officer. My KDF Gorn is still grumbling about having to go back in time to rescue the Federation from the Devidians...
I don't want my experience as a Romulan Republic member to be interchangeable with that as a Klingon Empire warrior or an officer of Starfleet. The militaristic tone of the teaser content today gives me hope it won't be.
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"Play as a Romulan or Reman and immerse yourself in new story-driven missions written exclusively from the Romulan Republic's point of view."- Apparently both Remans and Romulans will be palyable, but no mention of Hirogen, which are allied with Sela. Also, note the use of 'Romulan Republic' and not 'Romulan Star Empire'-it also has a symbol that is different than the RSE symbol, so we will not be playing as RSE romulans, at least by the end of the story mode.
Sela will be back, but apparently we will be playing 'a game of political cat-and-mouse' with her. Sounds like the RSE will be palying an antagonistic role to Romulan players as well as the Iconians and Tal'Shiar.
"Together, you will rise up against an oppressive regime and demand freedom. You will fight for your people." We will be fighting the Tal'Shiar and overthrowing the RSE in a rebellion.
I have been enthusiastically awaiting the news of the Romulan faction, but honestly, from what we have heard so far, I am quite disappointed. It seems that the devs have decided to take the Romulan faction in a direction similar to D'Tan's New Romulus faction, probably to make the faction synch better with the Romulan Reputation system, and to let players have Reman characters, which is unfortunate. I honestly hope that this is just a misunderstanding on my part from the snippits of information we have so far, but it looks liek they have managed to take the Romulan faction in possibly the worst possible direction they could have, thematically.
IMO when I think 'Romulans' I think RSE, not reunificationists or freedom fighters. it would be like if the entierty of the Klingon faction was comprised of farmers and traders from a speratist colony and you spent most of your time fighting off Klingon Raiders to protect your peaceful way of life. Or if the Maquis were a faction, but not the federation. That is not at all what one normally associates with Klingons or feds, and this is not at all what I expect to see from a Romulan faction. I expected not to be able to work alongside the Tal'Shiar, since the devs have already established them as working agaisnt the best interest of the RSE, but I am a bit shocked that they decided to ditch the RSE entierly and throw up a Romulan Republic in its place, which apparently (from what we know so far) is all about freedom, liberty? Where's our Romulan backstabbing, ambition, their imperialistic tendancies? I really do feel like that the OP here has some appropriate fears here.
I'll be waiting to see if it's worth playing or not-I'm not optimistic, given that all the information we have so far seems to be pointing in one direction, but if my fears are well founded, I will be severely disappointed here. Hopefully we will be able to ignore all of that and still be able to reasonably RP as RSE, but the trailer even shows what appears to be a player character and two BOFFs wearing uniforms that look quite removed from the classic military uniforms already used by romulan characters in the game, so I wonder if that option will even be reasonably available?
Personally, I wanted the Romulans the way they acted in practically all other TV, movie, and game depictions. Secretive, deceptive, cunning, ruthless.
But the Romulans in STO will be pansies like the Federation. Hell, they've enslaved themselves already to their longtime rival, the Federation, and their longtime blood enemies, the Klingon Empire (who'd love nothing more than keeping under their thumbs a dangerous, "former" enemy).
I don't want the New Romulan Empire.
I want a resurgent, vengeful, Romulan Star Empire.
Kudos to Cryptic though in getting Denise Crosby for Sela :cool:
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Lastly, if you are dedicated to using the Roman comparison, wouldn't a Byzantine Empire stand in be a more appropriate follow up to the RSE than a republic?
No? Originally Constantinople was just the Eastern capital of the Roman Empire, and then just kept on going after the Western Empire collapsed (largely due to the Eastern emperors paying off barbarians to bypass their Empire and go bother the Western Empire instead). It wasn't a "follow-up". It was always part of the Roman Empire from its founding. And it's worth noting that there were no large, successful democracies during the lifetime of the Eastern Roman Empire (they did not call themselves Byzantium or Byzantines, because they considered themselves Romans) that would inspire any sort of revolution. And they still had rebellions against the Emperor, most notably the Nika riots, which nearly drove Justinian out of Constantinople.
So, no.
edit: OH and the Byzantine Empire, so far as I know, never had anything catastrophic on the scale of having their capital destroyed and basically a state of anarchy that would've allowed a democratic or republican faction to gain traction. Which is, also worth noting, historically kind of the natural reaction of people who've been terrorized by a police state all their lives.
She will probably be the leader for the Romulan.