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So VERY tired of hearing the P2W accusation
darramouss1
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Of late I've been hearing more and more people whine, whinge and cry "you paid to win." Some of this has been directed at me, some of it has not.
To the people that use this lame catch-cry, grow up. Really. Just grow up.
Firstly, yes, some stuff in this game can be bought. If I choose to buy it with the money that I've worked hard for then that's NO business of yours. Do you go to the really nice houses in your town, throw yourself up against the living room window and cry out, "You paid to live nicely!!" Do you walk up to the owners of nice cars and cry out, "You paid to drive faster than me!!" Do you walk up to people in first class on a plane and cry out, "You paid to travel in more comfort than me!!" No? Then why do it here?
Secondly, this game gives you the avenue to obtain EVERYTHING that you accuse the pay to win people of having WITH NO REAL MONETARY COST TO YOURSELF. Something from the Zen store? You can grind dilithium, convert it to zen and voila. Something from the lobi store? You can grind dilithium to get zen to buy keys or you can grind ECs and buy keys from the exchange. Me? I like grinding EC and buying contraband. Easy dilithium supplement to my regular gameplay.
So, next time you feel the need to call out pay to win (usually when you lose PvP) stop and ask yourself the following:
* Am I wanting to call out P2W because my feelings are hurt at losing?
* Am I not prepared to spend time using the methods that have been given to me to obtain these things for free?
* Do I think accusing the of being P2W will make me feel better?
If you answered yes to any of the above, try and stop yourself. Be mature. Show sportsmanship. Don't sink to the childish level of calling out some stupid little catch-cry. You're only going to show yourself to be foolish. Such as the person today who accused me of being P2W because I was using Concentrated Tachyon Mines. He was flying a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, would you believe. Pot. Kettle. Black. You never know, if you talk the person they may show you how to earn income in a more effective way than the one you're using. Insult them and I guarantee they won't.
(The above was not meant to make me sound good at PvP. For the record I lose more PvP matches than I win. If someone beats me I try to learn why, not accuse them of any nefarious methods. Learning makes us better, accusing leaves us to stagnate.)
To the people that use this lame catch-cry, grow up. Really. Just grow up.
Firstly, yes, some stuff in this game can be bought. If I choose to buy it with the money that I've worked hard for then that's NO business of yours. Do you go to the really nice houses in your town, throw yourself up against the living room window and cry out, "You paid to live nicely!!" Do you walk up to the owners of nice cars and cry out, "You paid to drive faster than me!!" Do you walk up to people in first class on a plane and cry out, "You paid to travel in more comfort than me!!" No? Then why do it here?
Secondly, this game gives you the avenue to obtain EVERYTHING that you accuse the pay to win people of having WITH NO REAL MONETARY COST TO YOURSELF. Something from the Zen store? You can grind dilithium, convert it to zen and voila. Something from the lobi store? You can grind dilithium to get zen to buy keys or you can grind ECs and buy keys from the exchange. Me? I like grinding EC and buying contraband. Easy dilithium supplement to my regular gameplay.
So, next time you feel the need to call out pay to win (usually when you lose PvP) stop and ask yourself the following:
* Am I wanting to call out P2W because my feelings are hurt at losing?
* Am I not prepared to spend time using the methods that have been given to me to obtain these things for free?
* Do I think accusing the of being P2W will make me feel better?
If you answered yes to any of the above, try and stop yourself. Be mature. Show sportsmanship. Don't sink to the childish level of calling out some stupid little catch-cry. You're only going to show yourself to be foolish. Such as the person today who accused me of being P2W because I was using Concentrated Tachyon Mines. He was flying a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, would you believe. Pot. Kettle. Black. You never know, if you talk the person they may show you how to earn income in a more effective way than the one you're using. Insult them and I guarantee they won't.
(The above was not meant to make me sound good at PvP. For the record I lose more PvP matches than I win. If someone beats me I try to learn why, not accuse them of any nefarious methods. Learning makes us better, accusing leaves us to stagnate.)
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If you want to use P2W stuff, go right ahead. Pay no mind to the folks complaining, you have the right to use it. I, personally, don't like to rely on it too much. It's just a matter of personal preference, because I find things to be a little more challenging and entertaining without the P2W stuff, as well.
There's also the fact that I've seen people completely decked out with pay-to-win gear (flying Vestas and using 2-3 universal consoles and other little gimmicks) who still get blown up by me in my old Hegh'ta. Relying on P2W is a fundamentally unstable approach to PvP, and it will backfire.
Ok, I don't care what you do. Nor did I read this whole thing. The only time I am slighted in any way by P2W is when some jerk in a temporal time ship, using that temporal backstep and all the other lewt goodies tells me I have a fail build. Yes, that is when I care. Because all I'm hearing is P2W to compete. Mind you the specific incident I am thinking of involved me having 3x the overall dmge that he did for the entire match. :cool:
So if your one of those clowns who feels the need to put others down who don't have bugs or temp ships. Save it. No one cares. In fact we are laughing at your epeen. Other than that P2W all you want.
There is pay to win in this game, that's a fact. Like it, hate it, that's how they encourage people to buy new stuff at the expense of the game's life expectancy.
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I agree with this 100%. I have been playing since day one. I have every Zen Ship in the game short of two. I own several lock box ships and I have spent enough Zen on Dilithium to legally allow my wife to file for divorce if she ever found out. I use all universal consoles and I have never once been told I am a P2W player. Most of the consoles and abilities I use are to help my team or in PVP (which became way to boring to play) I feel the same as Travelingmaster, I enjoy the challenge of a good build over the gimmicks of stat padding.
We can all spend days online learning how to trick out our setups to be "Ubber Leet".. which to most adult gamers just equals "12 year old" setup.
So, if you are hearing that a lot, the chances are that you paid to be a jerk. Enjoy the title you earned it.
Eisaak
There's no reason to put ANYONE down in PvP. Nobody likes to be beaten but you should learn from every loss. Take it as an opportunity to learn. Everyone likes winning and winning should be done magnanimously.
Picking on people who don't use particular ships/consoles? Yep, smallest of the small epeen. Micro-peen.
The last few times I've had the P2W name called out at me was solely because of my use of Concentrated Tachyon Mines. Do you really think that that one item should be cause to be called P2W?
NOPE! In fact I would say it is a silly reason to call anyone a name over.
But I bet that is just the first part of the hell you release on anyone caught in that trap!
and to be honest I don't disagree with you doing it.... just be happy that it is so mean that you actually TRIBBLE off other players! In PVP that is the point.
Eisaak
Theres a few others but Surek sticks out as one of the worst i know
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Likewise I generally don't waste my time calling people out. I call out people who rub victories in opponenets faces. As you said its a complete lack of class. It also shrinks the pvp community down.
But no I don't take lessons or advice from someone who used a lockbox ship to beat me. Whats the point, he was spotted an advantage ahead of time and won because of it. I take pride in beating good players in lockbox ships. I just don't lose any sleep over losing to one. Its not a good measure of my skill to compare my ride to JHAS and temporal ships. Anything else is fair game.
I agree on the mines. Thats a silly callout. One thing I like about playing against Feds in PUGs is they try different builds. As a primarily KDF player, I've never heard of anyone thinking to use that.
If there were no ppl willing to open their wallets, there would be no me grinding dilith to buy the cheese I want.
Unsportsmanlike behavior, however, is another story entirely.
Elite Defense Stovokor
I couldn't have said it better. Every game that is made by a company that is trying to turn a profit is going to be P2W. If they released new gear that was not as good, then fewer will purchase it. The game is designed so people with time can grind for anything as the original poster said and for those with money and no time they can spend their real world money for the items instead. So you choose which method suits you but no one needs to here that sad sorry tale of P2W... every game is that way. This game at least gives you the option to earn items via grinding play instead of hard cash.
I myself do a combination of stipend, spending money, grinding, and even signing up for peanut labs things like gamefly or others. I don't have the latest and greatest and I also wait for sales and maximize my EC purchases and dil exchange rates. If you want to fly around in a RA escort don't expect to hold out against a bug ship or a fleet vessel but it's your choice and it's just game. A game made by a company looking to make a profit.
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I disagree with this statement I would take a dps cruiser over a escort any day...problem with cruisers is most don't know how to build it properly. Anyone that wants to test my build is welcome to it. I am on daily just drop me a line.
@LIVIN
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Uh, no, not really. Pay to Win means paying to win. Tell me one thing that is guaranteed to give me an advantage no matter the situation. Other than the Bugship I can't think of one thing that is guaranteed to do better than anything else. And even that's debatable because showing up to a PvP match in one is a good way to become the target of all the things. (Often because of the unsportsmanlike behavior that you mention.
so ill always back up the shame on cryptic for making p2w objects for the game, but ill never support giving a player a hard time for owning something that is perfectly leagal, and provided by the game developer.. (especially when it is available to everyone)..
lame if people are ragging on you about owning a ship or peice of equipment...
Paying to win does not guarantee anybody a win. Cheese is never a substitute for personal skill and knowledge of the game. It just means between two players of equal skill and knowledge between them, the one using P2W stuff just got a slight to substantial advantage (depending on what and how many p2w they are using) over the regular guy. Even the most OP p2w user can fail miserably if they don't know how to handle the stuff they paid for (cue noob bug pilots out there, and there are plenty of them
There is PvP, and there is PvE. Personally, I know that in PvE it is possible to out-perform an escort in a cruiser, especially if there are a lot of mobs in the mission. FAW ftw!! For PvP, again career roles are specified. Escorts are preferred for a tac captain to fly so they can deal spiking damage effectively, while cruisers are to be favored by engineering captains, who can tank/zombify them. And despite all that is said of them, it is possible for an engi cruiser to become a very effective healer in pvp.
In the end, it takes specific game knowledge to build an effective anything.
Elite Defense Stovokor
This game is probably the least P2W of any F2P I know of. Sure I have a c-store ship but only cause it's cool and yes I did spend real money.
But it is my second c-store ship, the first being one I saved up for by doing offers and surveys and some dil trading. Everything is attainable by grinding which cannot be said for the majority of F2P games out there
So if everything is actually attainable for free, then these haters need to get paid better or loosen up on their principles or at least keep them to themselves instead of laying guilt trips on the rest of us
To get the cool stuff in this game in any kind short time frame you need to pay, simple as that you want a Purple Mk XII Field Gen quickly, then the only way is to buy keys and sell them for EC.
This game does have Pay 2 Win elements, but that is the nature of F2P you have give people something worth buying that will give them some kind of edge.
Also the nature of this particular F2P model is that for any uber nice item there was at one point a cash transaction made.
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/agree.
About the only thing you can do is support developers who choose NOT to use P2W and do not support (buy their pixels/power) of developers that do choose P2W. That little deal has caused me to stop all PVP gameplay in STO.
i buy what i want when i can afford it. saved forever it seems to get enough to buy a JHAS. a few days later i got lucky and won one from a pack. it is currently in a safe place on the exchange. you may want to go shopping for an exciting new ship.
i don't pay to win. i pay to get stuff i want. i am not a skilled player. i do well with my fleet and typically i am middle of the pack in pvp.
i could never spend or buy enough to match the skill of a lot of players. i would not even consider trying.
i don't believe in pay to win because you cannot buy playing skill.
Really, you and the OP and everyone else should just stop caring about what others are saying. Do you have fun playing your video game? Yes? Then carry on with the fun you are having.
I'm fairly sure I know exactly who it was, pulled the same TRIBBLE with me when, for kicks since my PUG was getting owned, stuck on the graviton burst or whatever its called lockbox console. He was the only one of his team to die because of it, and immediately started a P2W rampage in zone chat and /tells.
Thing is, he's a decent pilot and usually very respectful of others, so I chalk it up to a psychological issue that only manifests at times of extreme frustration, in other words, a temper tantrum.
And for the record, I fly the temporal destroyer in PUG matches, and I NEVER insult ANYONE for not having paid/expensive gear...I only ever insult epeeners who HAVE 1337 gear, trash talk, and lose horribly, repeatedly. And after taking down their ego a notch or two, I almost always offer to give some tips on their build/play style. If I haven't been ignored already
The ship does not maketh the Captain, the Captain does.
I could honestly say, that if I went into a pvp match in my Bug ship, I would not last 5 seconds......
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