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Why can Jem'Hadar attack ships able to use cannons weapons?
shunofarstar
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It is widely documented that the Jem'hadar attack ship only used polaron/phased polaron BEAM weapons.
At no point was it shown them using any type of cannon style weapon.
What is the reason for this rather blatant mistake?
At no point was it shown them using any type of cannon style weapon.
What is the reason for this rather blatant mistake?
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http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
It was merely a cheap ship that could be used in a general purpose.
Only STO configured it as an escort.
A modern Bird of prey for example should be superior to such a ship.
It is also widely documented that Starfleet doesn?t fly around in Dominion ships on a regular basis and annihilate anything standing between them and shiny loot.
That may be true (or not, I don't know), but if they weren't endgame ships, they wouldn't be anywhere near as desirable. The purpose of lock box ships is to sell master keys; no point putting in a ship hardly anyone is going to want.
Several ships have a lot less/more weapons than in the tv show. Because they would be OP/useless otherwise.
It's not a big deal. They may have adapted cannons for those ship when they where retrofited for the feds/kdf. Who knows ?
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Oh don't get me started on Andorian ships.....
As you say, they were made to have cannons to make cryptic money and ignored ironically canon.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
--- they just don't care ---
Most will say:
"Don't look at it as a Star Trek game look at it as a MMO, just like any other MMO out there."
People don't want to get used to something new, they want to have the same old, boring and lame game mechanic like in every other MMO worldwide.
No matter if it fit to the games universe or not.
No matter if it fits to Star Trek, because most people (and ironicly Devs) don't see anything wrong with it (star trek) being twisted and pressed into a system which was made for fantasy characters using swords, axes and magic and is almost completely incompatible with Star Trek at all.
Most players (or devs) don't care because they either have no clue about Star Trek or they are so much blunted by previous computer games, they accept everything as long as it superficially fits into the MMO mechanic.
Similar to game developers, they can get away with almost anything as long as it helps them to make money and doesn't touch the MMO trinity.
Everyone who opposes the "holy" MMO trinity is considered a traitor and an enemy of the developers, the community and the game.
Those few that are really bothered by things like that, you and me and some others, are just a small minority.
...Welcome to the club, my friend...
I also have to question your tanking skills.
I think there has to be two way compromise between "It's an MMO" and "It's Star Trek."
Maybe more than what we've had. But certainly not absolutely in the direction of "It's Star Trek."
The internal analogy I have is this:
How much would you complain about a deck of Bicycle playing cards "getting it wrong"? And how many ways could they "get it right"?
You could have the four suites be 1701-D, the 1701, Defiant, and Voyager. But do you make Riker the Queen? The Jack? Do you make him the Ace (since he's Number One)? Do you go obscure and for even more puns by putting Jack Crusher out as "The Jack"? Is Q the Joker of the Deck? Or do you model the dynamic of the average TNG episode by making the CAPTAIN the wild card, the seldom seen and slow to speak game changer?
You can't throw out the fact that it's a playing card deck either if that's the product you set out to make, any more than you can rule out that a Star Trek bicycle has two wheels and probably no warp engine or phasers. Cryptic makes products that are MMOs in the standard vein and the product can't bend so far to Trek that it stops being that. This isn't Second Life nor did anybody making it ever aspire for it to be. It's a theme park MMO with some basis in conventions.
And even the shows were shaped by their format conventions. Multiple creators (including Gene) thought Starfleet should have nudists serving and pretty wild public sexuality but that didn't fit the mold of the product they were creating and so it was ditched even though it's something a lot of these folks allude to in interviews. (And it wound up shaping the form so much that the characters were always embarrassed and played for comedy when they did Betzoid wedding references even while many of the same creative folks continued to say that they figured public nudity would be pretty common and casual in the future, especially among humans.) And I'm not advocating it. I think it would get prurient or silly fast. But the point is that the format shapes the product. It has to.
The key (and where Cryptic could always improve I think) is in making the concessions both ways between MMO and Trek MORE FUN and MORE ENGAGING.
I get what you mean,
you see everyones tolerance for what is acceptable and what not is different, just as it is with everything in the world.
Althrough i think that i am a mostly tolerant person, i absolutely hate it when things get missinterpreted or made new but in a completely different way as it is supposed to be. I know this also is just a personal opinion but certain things that differ Star Trek from other Sci Fi universes shouldn't be modified, even if it is just a MMO. If those things get changed however, Star Trek becomes "just another" Sci Fi universe.
Unlike you must think of me, i am not completely against changes in Star Trek, i just don't like it if those things that make it unique just disappear for the sake of the preferences of some game developers.
For example giving the Bug ship the ability to use cannons is just too arbitrarily and too much MMOirized.
The same is for Cruisers, Escorts or even the player character classes.
Everything is just pressed into that MMO mold without making much sense for me.
If the devs would at least try to show some care and a certain "feeling" for how things work at Star Trek, i would be the last to complain.
Stop making it out to be something its not. The Church of Trek was a Futurama spoof, not an actual religious organization.
Every Sci Fi universe is special, if it's Star Wars, BSG Mass Effect or some other one.
Why should anyone play a game with the name "star trek" or "Star Wars" at all, if they're alll the same?
The point of making a GOOD game (MMO or not) out of such a universe, is to keep its uniqueness and make it fun to play. Sadly, Cryptic has completely failed with that IMO.
Well, they could start by making beams not worthless.
I wouldn't say they've completely failed, just failed in some really obvious ways that everyone was expecting them to succeed. No real sense of exploration, no 1v1 balance, combat tends to involve slaughtering hundreds of ships in the same go, too much combat, the bizarre way everything is scaled, and the decided lack of the ladies in my signature are probably the biggest ones.
But we all know, it's not going to happen. :rolleyes:
(maybe BECAUSE it's the thing everybody would do
I definitely agree, i've couldn't say it better
As i said in another tread, STO feels more like a DS9 fan mod for a Star Trek game than an professional made game.
Most things seem to be decided a little too arbitrarily, like the beams vs. cannons (or Escort vs Science, Cruiser game "balance") case and don't feel very sophisticated or elaborated in my eyes.
All this makes STO feel ... well just unprofessional.
You can do DBBs, those don't lose that much DPS. The extra arc helps mitigate. OR go full goofball and go rainbow turrets on it and revel in the outrage you engender!
STO ships are designed to be as diverse as possible in player options, while still ensuring each ship stays unique and within their classification.
Nothing is stopping you from flying your JHAS with all beams, but your don't have the right to force your canon conformity on other players.
If I had to make one critique about STO, it is that the player base can often be a bit too Trekkie. I like Star Trek, but I couldn't quote you what episode had what in it..
This is an MMO first and foremost. Don't expect everything in STO to be canon, because it never will be..
Any negative change to the JHAS would led to an exodus within the player base. An exodus of players who have no problem opening their wallet.
Watch about about 2:00 in, as numerous Jem'Hadar Attack Ships fire what is clearly cannons over and over at the Odyssey and the Runabouts. Yes, the Captain of the Odyssey calls them "Phased Polaron beams", but they are clearly cannon SFX.
Cannons are canon.
Here I thought the disruptors early Jem Hadar Attackships were firing were actually disruptors. Ever seen the series dude? Early jem Hadar Attack Ships had Polaron disruptors. Watch DS9 in the episodes they first ran into them. Interchangeably throughout the series against Jem Hadar, some ships have disruptors, others don't.
Awesome clip.. makes me want to watch DS9 all over again.
And I saw cannons!