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Are the Wolf 359 kitbash ships comming?
davidwford
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I was reading on STO wiki under furture content that it is planned for New Orleans, Niagra, and Freedom classes would be added in late 2013 into Februrary 2014. I would love to see the New Orleans class added. I do have some issues with Niagra and Freedom, however.
If the Niagra is added, there sould be an option to omit the third nacelle that projects out of the bottom of the ship, much like on the Deep Space Science Vessel has the option to omit the lower pod.
I object to adding the Freedom unless some of the DS9 Kitbashes are added first. Among them, the Yeager-Intrepid, the U.S.S. Curry/Rage Queen, and the U.S.S. Bradford. In addition, the Springfield class from BoBW Pt. 2 should be added before the Freedom. These three should be easy to add, and do a much better job of following typical ship layout than the Freedom class.
The Yeager-Intrepid can be an alternative tier-4 escort since I would rather fly that ship than the Defiant at T4.
The Curry/Rage Queen can be an engineering focused carrier if they use ONLY excelsior parts.
The Bradford can be an alternate tier 2 crusier/transport with some features similar to the Tufflli such as Trader and Quartermaster NPCs on the ship.
The Springfield can either be a science vessel or a cruiser.
My objection to the Freedom stems from my ealier point about typical Federation ship layout, and that if Freedom is added, then why not add the Challenger from BoBW, U.S.S. Elkins Intrepid variant, U.S.S. Hutzel Excelsior variant, and U.S.S. Jupp consitution/miranda variant also added? Why yes to Freedom, but not these? Why is that one acceptable, but not any of these or the ones I want to see? What is the justification for inclusion of one, but the exclusion of the others?
If the Niagra is added, there sould be an option to omit the third nacelle that projects out of the bottom of the ship, much like on the Deep Space Science Vessel has the option to omit the lower pod.
I object to adding the Freedom unless some of the DS9 Kitbashes are added first. Among them, the Yeager-Intrepid, the U.S.S. Curry/Rage Queen, and the U.S.S. Bradford. In addition, the Springfield class from BoBW Pt. 2 should be added before the Freedom. These three should be easy to add, and do a much better job of following typical ship layout than the Freedom class.
The Yeager-Intrepid can be an alternative tier-4 escort since I would rather fly that ship than the Defiant at T4.
The Curry/Rage Queen can be an engineering focused carrier if they use ONLY excelsior parts.
The Bradford can be an alternate tier 2 crusier/transport with some features similar to the Tufflli such as Trader and Quartermaster NPCs on the ship.
The Springfield can either be a science vessel or a cruiser.
My objection to the Freedom stems from my ealier point about typical Federation ship layout, and that if Freedom is added, then why not add the Challenger from BoBW, U.S.S. Elkins Intrepid variant, U.S.S. Hutzel Excelsior variant, and U.S.S. Jupp consitution/miranda variant also added? Why yes to Freedom, but not these? Why is that one acceptable, but not any of these or the ones I want to see? What is the justification for inclusion of one, but the exclusion of the others?
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I would love to see the Nigeria and New Orleans make it to the game. I would buy them.
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I always thought that it's a real shame that the only onscreen occasion to see Starfleet's ships of the early TNG fleet are the smoldering wrecks of Wolf 359.
I always I hoped that we'd see more of these fine vessels in the HD remastering of The Next Generation but it appears that these hopes were indeed in vain.
Not to mention that these kitbashes were simply awesome and had a whole other level of quality and flair to them than the mindless zombie ships of the DS9 Frankenstein Fleet
(I always supected the ship designers and modelers of having their reasons for naming these
rushed and sloppy kitbashes that way. In his blog Doug Drexler even spoke of
"kitbash parties" . . . *shudders*)
As for the Wolf 359 ships, I always imagined that the New Orleans, with it's three external torpedo launchers (who are actually text markers clued to the filming model
or as shipside decrease of torpedo reloading times which would also allow us to use all sorts of torpedo weapon types effectively.
And don't forget about the Jupiter and the Balaur and every other awesome NPC ship that absolutely deserves to be playable!
C'mon Cryptic, we know you can do it!
The Yeager is from the DS9 Dominion War episodes... a Maquis Raider bottom with an Intrepid Class top.
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Just like how some loves to fly the ugly Odyssey that looks like it needs to be hauled away as garbage.
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dude in comaparison to the Star Cruisers or the STo escorts. I take New Orleans any day
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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Even Grethor would be too good a place for such a comment.
Leave my beloved New Orleans class alone.
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Just a thought.
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You like a ship that is part Intrepid, part Runabout, part F-14 Tomcat, and part Constitution-refit?
But no fear, if Crypptic (Mr.Rivera) decides to release it, it surely is going to be a much more fun/useful ship to fly than the Galaxy class.
It's the same reason that people love the Excelsior design. Even the guys who designed it don't like it. Go figure.
Yes!
It looks better than the Yeger, and it's more modern (except the nacelles) than the other sill kitbashes.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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The one I want in addition is the original Stargazer, Constellation class.
The rest I'm indifferent
Yes, I have read the ship articles on Bernard Schneider's site Ex Astris Scientia, specifically the ones on the DS9 Kitbashes. Kudos to you for also mentioning that we should have the actual Norway and not just the pathetic Oslo.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "Reimagined". The Yeager and, ues, the Elkins couold be reimageined such that the STO rendered versions could have a very similar outline and shape, but its upclose details are completely different (see Oslo and Zepher).
Specifically, the Yeager sedondary hull could retail the basic Radier shape, but the "nose" piece could be shared off and replaced with a deflector dish, the wing struts could be upswung instead of down, and finally, window can be added to the secondary hull.
I have no idea how to re-engineer and reimagine the Elkins, but I challenge the player who does like it to work out how to make it into a ship that had slightly better lines and curves. I would suggest starting by looking as the above mentioned Ex Astris Scientia.
Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder, dont be closed minded.
Ambassador is my fave classic cruiser btw so and some thinks its ugly lol
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As for the Niagara, the Challenger, and the Springfield Class starships... not sure.
Freedom class
Challenger class
and the Curry/Raging Queen class (flightdeck cruiser maybe?)
Citation needed.
agreed with this