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Cannons are not canon
induperator
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I realise this is the 500th thread complaining about cannon gameplay issues so just humour me.
Cannons are not canon, whenever I start an STF or any PVE event I have at least 1 escort with nothing but turrets and Dual Heavy Cannons and when they use rapid-fire or scatter volley they annihilate anything in their path so no wonder the KDF rule the PVP arenas. Almost all their ships can equip dual cannons and they are unfortunately the only way to deal the best damage. Beam Weapons are weak Even though they are the most used types of starship weaponry the ONLY class of Starfleet ship in the entire Federation that actually used cannons was the defiant class yet the most players of Star Trek Online don't miss a chance to spam dual cannons.
Take the Prometheus class it is an escort yet in the episode when it is first seen (Message in a Bottle) we see the ship disable a nebula class with a few shots to the warp drive and it used beams not cannons the Akira, Saber and all the other cannon "escorts" used beam weapons yet it didn't make their fire-power any weaker, the main reason escorts have more fire-power than almost every ship is because they can equip dual cannons.
I'm not suggesting that we remove cannons but at least add some "beam" weapons with a 45 degree arc that can deal equivalent damage to the DHCs perhaps "Beam Cannons" Or maybe even a "Heavy Beam Array" I'm not the only one that finds STO to be lacking in that "Star Trek" feeling but in my opinion this change would help add a more canon feeling to the game.
This is just my opinion if you are going to tell me to "deal with it" do us both a favour and don't waste my time, if you want a game with over powered cannon weapons go play Star Wars.
Cannons are not canon, whenever I start an STF or any PVE event I have at least 1 escort with nothing but turrets and Dual Heavy Cannons and when they use rapid-fire or scatter volley they annihilate anything in their path so no wonder the KDF rule the PVP arenas. Almost all their ships can equip dual cannons and they are unfortunately the only way to deal the best damage. Beam Weapons are weak Even though they are the most used types of starship weaponry the ONLY class of Starfleet ship in the entire Federation that actually used cannons was the defiant class yet the most players of Star Trek Online don't miss a chance to spam dual cannons.
Take the Prometheus class it is an escort yet in the episode when it is first seen (Message in a Bottle) we see the ship disable a nebula class with a few shots to the warp drive and it used beams not cannons the Akira, Saber and all the other cannon "escorts" used beam weapons yet it didn't make their fire-power any weaker, the main reason escorts have more fire-power than almost every ship is because they can equip dual cannons.
I'm not suggesting that we remove cannons but at least add some "beam" weapons with a 45 degree arc that can deal equivalent damage to the DHCs perhaps "Beam Cannons" Or maybe even a "Heavy Beam Array" I'm not the only one that finds STO to be lacking in that "Star Trek" feeling but in my opinion this change would help add a more canon feeling to the game.
This is just my opinion if you are going to tell me to "deal with it" do us both a favour and don't waste my time, if you want a game with over powered cannon weapons go play Star Wars.
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Whereas kdf player are normally bored Feds or people who want to play kdf for a reason
That and the fact that for some reason Feds dont seem to be able to put a pug together to save their lives a couple of arenas yesterday the Feds had us outgunned I think we have 3 voquvs a bop and A Guramba but down to the fact they just refused to cross heal and work together they fell to pieces
I've seen some assault cruisers and excelsiors tear down ships in lighting time with beams equipped purely down to good communication well timed debuffs and cross healing
Plus all the modern trek stuff uses turrets and torps so...
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Personally, I prefer the idea of merging individual beams into a single more powerful one. It would make 'Beam Overload' a much more potent ability (making beams capable of delivering some serious spike damage, if not as consistently as cannons), and make space combat look more like what we saw on TV. Ideally, it would be optional, so that you could still have AOE 'Fire at Will' builds that use several beams.
I hate the feel of anything but dual heavy cannons.
And don't you suppose that maybe in the 35 years that have passed since the Dominion war, Starfleet took a look at its arsenal and said "You know, those phaser cannons on the Defiant class kicked TRIBBLE. We should equip more of our ships with those."
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Wow heavy beam array does sound nice. But I would not limit it to a 45 degree firing arc. Now that's not fair. I would think 180 or 270 would make more sense.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Phase_cannon_schematic.jpg
Granted, this model was more like a turret, but how are they "not canon"?
the tv shows and movies are not the only sources of trek canon. and do remember this is a game, and games especially mmorpg's require variety. if everyone only had beams and photon/quantum/tricobalt torpedos the game would be rather boring.
Agreed, KDF ships are usually depicted carrying either disruptor cannons, disruptor beams, or both. . .along with torpedoes.
The stretch is when you put cannons on lots of Federation ships. Yeah, you'd think they would wise up to the advantages of putting cannons on light-and-swift escorts. . .so that's explainable.
That's one of the reasons why I'd disagree with putting cannons on Federation cruisers. The Dreadnaught is a one-off, a special case. Canonically, there's nothing backing something like that.
Then there's the fact that battlecruisers are one of the few perks the KDF has left (though Cryptic's doing a fine job of encroaching on that slowly).
Mild correction: the NX-01 was a Starfleet ship, but wasn't a Federation ship, Starfleet did exist before the UFP was formed.
Granted, in some episodes it also had beams, but it most definitely had cannons.
Oh, and OP - you're trite little "if you don't agree with me, go play Star Wars" isn't really necessary. If you want to enjoy a discussion where everyone shares your opinion, talk to yourself and avoid the internet.
Wasn't that a holo run by Riker? Of the Enterprise-D?
These, pretty much. The Abrams-prise was shooting nothing BUT cannons, and is a cruiser. In fact the only ship that shot beams in the movie was the Kelvin, and even it had cannon-like rapid-fire devices (that Abrams claimed were actually photon torpedo launchers).
Sure, it's an "alternate timeline" (which as far as the people in charge are concerned is THE timeline), but hey, cannons on a cruiser.
As for the state of 2409, consider that at this time the Federation is in a near-constant state of conflict. The Klingons and the Borg are just the most open aspects of its war, but anyone who actually played missions instead of doffing and mirror-incursion-ing their way to 50 will know that your average Starfleet captain gets into more scrapes in a week than the Enterprise-D got in during her whole career. Whether or not that's truly "Trek" is a different discussion.
Suffice it to say that given modern times and modern technology (particularly O'Brien and LaForge's modular ship system) Starfleet is in no position NOT to maximize the combat potential of its captains and its ships. Even a dinky Oberth or Miranda has to be capable of taking down an Orion battlecruiser (see your very first space mission to rescue the Azura).
Bee Tee Dubs, Dubs ... Cannons were already canon.
And I am not referencing the memory beta info (which isn't canon) but the pic is obviously a TV screen grab of the Defiant firing phaser cannons. Canon defined but what we see on the tv and in the movies, right?
Mods - you can close this thread down now, please. I think the OP has been thoroughly debunked.
Primarily to offset the faction's lack of development. Also, originally there were a few reasons for the KDF's unique differences.
1- They could only gain XP through PVP at launch. So the ships had an advantage in PVP (things like cloak, the ability to equip cannons on battlecruisers, stuff like that). They also gained more XP bang for their buck when they did finally complete missions (like the PVP action missions, like Kill X feds, or Die X times).
2- Faction differences. The KDF had BoP's, Cloaks, and Carriers, to attract more people to try the faction.
Probably because of things like this. There's a market for it. Cryptic just failed miserably to tap into that market. But shoddy work will usually do that among Trek fans. The amount of ire over the half-done job they did on the KDF is really similar to the amount of ire they incurred with things like the Galaxy Class model on launch day, the completely different look of Earth Space Dock, the problems with uniform details, and so on and so forth.
Its been decades since the Defiant hit the scene maybe Star Fleet saw how successful they've been in combat and decided to refit more ships with them.
I'll also remind everyone that Quantum torpedo's aren't canon at least not in Archer or Kirk's time.
The Federation has been at war with the Borg, Dominion, and Klingons for quite some time, they now have the Undine, Breen, Iconians, and other new enemies to deal with. It makes sense that more ships would be outfitted with more powerful and varied weapons than in the past (which is what the Defiant was created for in the first place).
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Your argument is invalid
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
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Every Fed ship is capable of equipping cannons. Every Fed escort and several other ships can equip dual cannons. Honestly, you start from a false premise, so whatever your point is, is pretty much moot.
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Good Idea and would make much more scene too having cruisers firing 8 beams at once isn't very cannon either.
I wonder why Heavy Beams have become a mantra to mostly bad players? Do they not realize that a Beam version of a DHC would have a similarly punishing arc of fire? What Fed cruiser could hope to use a weapon wiht a 45 or even 60 degree arc?
The vesta does have phaser cannons
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
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