There was a connie refit at Wolf 359, the ships sent were stated to be available for combat. Unless you can wisp these two facts out of existence then you're flat out plain wrong in the argument.
The Enterprise in TWOK was just a training ship, so already Constitutions were being moved into a secondary role even in Kirk's era. Ship full of cadets, sent into combat. It doesn't matter if they were already on a training mission or not, trainer being sent into combat is a trainer being sent into combat. You can't argue against that without being obtuse.
The Enterprise in TWOK was just a training ship, so already Constitutions were being moved into a secondary role even in Kirk's era. Ship full of cadets, sent into combat. It doesn't matter if they were already on a training mission or not, trainer being sent into combat is a trainer being sent into combat. You can't argue against that without being obtuse.
You're diverting from the ultimate point, there is a known ship in service during modern trek.
But for fun, this point is moot too, because even ships like a defiant class can be used for cadet training cruises.
Actually, you can take it into STFs (particularly the normal ones) and if you kit it out with the same sort of end-game gear you're running on your other ships then you'll be able to contribute and have fun - better to do this with friends/fleet mates though as you'll likely get a tirade of abuse if you PuG it (that can be fun too though )
And the endless hours of showing up to do the Crystalline entity in my Connie refit cruiser come back to me.
False, we know what model they used on the set. It was a connie. It was not a museum ship either because the fleet admiral said they were bringing all available ships, as in ships that are available for duty.
All available ships, does not mean active vessels, that means everything we have in range, including the kitchen sink. Also just because you know its the Search for Spock model they used does not mean a Constition was there, if you read up a little on Wolf 359 it was meant to represent generic ship debris, not any ship specificly. And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they fixed the problem with the HD Best of Both Worlds. Your grasping at Straws to make a point. On screen it was never shown to be a Connie, just what might be its engineering hull, but if you want to get real technical that hull is Marked USS Enterprise NCC-1701 so your saying the Original Enterprise was at Wolf 359. Why not simply accept that the Connie is out dated, is to time consuming to properly refit and a waste of resources to do so.
But if they ever make a T5 Connie lets make it realistic to when it was last in service. A shield Modifier of .5, turn of 8, Hull of 31000, and 40% bleed through on the shields.
Also let me also point out since this game involves books in part of its back story the Connie did fight in the Dominion War but the vessel they used was reactivated, no mention of refit, it was taken out of a museum, filled with Anti-Matter, given dilitium and sent into battle as cannon fodder. So its even in the books that the ship was pulled from a museum and just reactivated as last ditch effort to get ships on the front lines, even if they couldn't hang in a fire fight very long.
If you need further reasoning why this could happen consider all the Navel Vessels currently used as a museum ships that are still property of the USN, and are to be kept in such a condition that they can be reactivated at anytime should the Navy require there use. The Airforce does the same thing as well.
So at the end of the day your only valid reason for wanting a T-5 Connie is you want a 160 year old ship, running Dutronic computer systems.
Wow that is some arguing. I just want a T5 connie (with an optional J.J. Abrams skin) because I like the look and as far as canon is concerned, a lot of that went out the window a long time ago.
There seems to be a bit of selective memory going on here... after all, there was an episode in Deep Space Nine (if I recall correctly) whereby a Defiant class starship was being manned by CHILDREN from the fedearation and who were in the Delta Quadrant tearing up the Jem'Hadar in their very own escort... can't recall the whole story line but....
...personally this is when I stopped watching the show as that was ridiculous on all levels. However, the point is, any argument against a connie is moot as a result. She is perfectly capable of being retrofitted to be a powerhouse just as her successors after her have become.
If arguments against such a retrofit were true than the Klingons wouldnt still be using bird of prey's, now would they!?! The Connie's design in and of itself is not lacking. Its what's underneath the skin that matters. Personally, I'd gut a Connie and remake it with 6 fore weapons and 6 aft weapons XACC3 with a battle cloak and a personality that just screams.... "go ahead, punk, make my day..." :cool:
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Actually, what I like about the Exeter is that you can mix and match parts from the Connie even, including just shamelessly re-skinning it to look just like the Connie itself.
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For the readers who haven't followed STO as long as some of us:
What CBS Consumer Products said, when a Dev has ever shared that point, was related specifically to the inclusion of the The Original Series (TOS) USS Enterprise as a pre-order incentive at Tier 1. However, despite that advise having been offered Cryptic managed to make it a pre-order anyway. And went further by maintaining it as a selling entry on the C-Store. Which is still the case today.
Having followed related topics for several years now, CBS said nothing whatsoever about the T2 Constitution - the version seen later in movies. That is simply other player's opinion that both designs should be considered one and the same. While it's possible a Dev may hold that opinion, CBS never stated this as such with regard to STO.
So when a player asks for a Fleet Constitution/Excalibur/Vesper/Exeter, misquoting what CBS said is merely a distraction from the topic.
At some point, I think the addition of a T2 Constitution/Excalibur/Vesper/Exeter starship for Fleet Refit would be fun for the game. And might sell Fleet Modules.
But John Van Citters doesn't want to make this game have more money than it already has.
I would say the only other option is to mkae it so you can tailo the ambassador to look like the connie.This would include the pylons.warp nacelles,nesk and saucer.
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The Enterprise in TWOK was just a training ship, so already Constitutions were being moved into a secondary role even in Kirk's era. Ship full of cadets, sent into combat. It doesn't matter if they were already on a training mission or not, trainer being sent into combat is a trainer being sent into combat. You can't argue against that without being obtuse.
Citters is the contact man between CBS and Cryptic as far as we can determine, I think I know what his twitter is.
Which I sent to you in a PM btw, Capt.
You're diverting from the ultimate point, there is a known ship in service during modern trek.
But for fun, this point is moot too, because even ships like a defiant class can be used for cadet training cruises.
Post it in the thread please, I would send him a few tweets. Maybe other people would like to as well unless it's against the rules.
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I'm not sure what the rule on it is, and I'd rather not throw the dice on it.
And the endless hours of showing up to do the Crystalline entity in my Connie refit cruiser come back to me.
Good times! :cool:
All available ships, does not mean active vessels, that means everything we have in range, including the kitchen sink. Also just because you know its the Search for Spock model they used does not mean a Constition was there, if you read up a little on Wolf 359 it was meant to represent generic ship debris, not any ship specificly. And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they fixed the problem with the HD Best of Both Worlds. Your grasping at Straws to make a point. On screen it was never shown to be a Connie, just what might be its engineering hull, but if you want to get real technical that hull is Marked USS Enterprise NCC-1701 so your saying the Original Enterprise was at Wolf 359. Why not simply accept that the Connie is out dated, is to time consuming to properly refit and a waste of resources to do so.
But if they ever make a T5 Connie lets make it realistic to when it was last in service. A shield Modifier of .5, turn of 8, Hull of 31000, and 40% bleed through on the shields.
Also let me also point out since this game involves books in part of its back story the Connie did fight in the Dominion War but the vessel they used was reactivated, no mention of refit, it was taken out of a museum, filled with Anti-Matter, given dilitium and sent into battle as cannon fodder. So its even in the books that the ship was pulled from a museum and just reactivated as last ditch effort to get ships on the front lines, even if they couldn't hang in a fire fight very long.
If you need further reasoning why this could happen consider all the Navel Vessels currently used as a museum ships that are still property of the USN, and are to be kept in such a condition that they can be reactivated at anytime should the Navy require there use. The Airforce does the same thing as well.
So at the end of the day your only valid reason for wanting a T-5 Connie is you want a 160 year old ship, running Dutronic computer systems.
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...personally this is when I stopped watching the show as that was ridiculous on all levels. However, the point is, any argument against a connie is moot as a result. She is perfectly capable of being retrofitted to be a powerhouse just as her successors after her have become.
If arguments against such a retrofit were true than the Klingons wouldnt still be using bird of prey's, now would they!?! The Connie's design in and of itself is not lacking. Its what's underneath the skin that matters. Personally, I'd gut a Connie and remake it with 6 fore weapons and 6 aft weapons XACC3 with a battle cloak and a personality that just screams.... "go ahead, punk, make my day..." :cool:
They made the Saber a fleet variant, so they already dipped into a T2 ship at Fleet levels.
What CBS Consumer Products said, when a Dev has ever shared that point, was related specifically to the inclusion of the The Original Series (TOS) USS Enterprise as a pre-order incentive at Tier 1. However, despite that advise having been offered Cryptic managed to make it a pre-order anyway. And went further by maintaining it as a selling entry on the C-Store. Which is still the case today.
Having followed related topics for several years now, CBS said nothing whatsoever about the T2 Constitution - the version seen later in movies. That is simply other player's opinion that both designs should be considered one and the same. While it's possible a Dev may hold that opinion, CBS never stated this as such with regard to STO.
So when a player asks for a Fleet Constitution/Excalibur/Vesper/Exeter, misquoting what CBS said is merely a distraction from the topic.
At some point, I think the addition of a T2 Constitution/Excalibur/Vesper/Exeter starship for Fleet Refit would be fun for the game. And might sell Fleet Modules.
But John Van Citters doesn't want to make this game have more money than it already has.
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