"Q: (whamhammer1) If it is true that the game?s space combat engine cannot handle more than four weapons per side (front/rear)?
Dstahl: Let me stop you right there. We have a ship coming that breaks this rule, so it is not true."
this could mean one of two things.
1. more than 4 fore/aft weapon slots.
2. Broadside.
and with the statement "Kumari LINE of Andorian Escorts" it makes for an interesting topic, Will it be like the vesta, has 3 ships, each with a slightly different look and special item? will they be bundled like the vesta and oddy sets....we all know it will.
All I know is this is yet another freakin' federation escort thats getting insanely overpowered TRIBBLE and the KDF gets nothing. The last what? 5+ ships the KDF received were dumb copy/paste versions of the new federation ship.
The pathetic thing is, they could've made this ship and the broadside capability be a beta or delta quadrant ship that both sides could purchase through the cstore, each side with a unique console for their faction. A Talaxian ship... Akaali (from ST:E pre-industrial civ episode)...the list goes on and on. You know, a ship from a race that no one has ever seen before AND that could give the broadside ability some uniqueness.
But no. Andorian it had to be. Federation only. And an escort to add insult to injury.
All I know is this is yet another freakin' federation escort thats getting insanely overpowered TRIBBLE and the KDF gets nothing. The last what? 5+ ships the KDF received were dumb copy/paste versions of the new federation ship.
The pathetic thing is, they could've made this ship and the broadside capability be a beta or delta quadrant ship that both sides could purchase through the cstore, each side with a unique console for their faction. A Talaxian ship... Akaali (from ST:E pre-industrial civ episode)...the list goes on and on. You know, a ship from a race that no one has ever seen before AND that could give the broadside ability some uniqueness.
But no. Andorian it had to be. Federation only. And an escort to add insult to injury.
Meh.
/endbitterklingonrant
The KDF are gonna get a huge influx of new ships and possibly new ship types in May, this has been confirmed multiple times, the Andorian Warship has been long awaited since the arival of the vulcan ship.
dont get too upset because the KDF don't get a new ship right now, this is likely to be the final fed C-Store ship the feds get or hell any kind of ship for quite some time possibly a year, it would complete the pattern being set, Oddy-Cruiser, Vesta-Science vessel, Kumari-Escort, nothing else after that.
I am in full support of new KDF content, and I suspect they are going to be very glad in May, Hell I think it might even get me seriously back on my KDF General, though I do love my B'rel Refit.
"Q: (whamhammer1) If it is true that the game?s space combat engine cannot handle more than four weapons per side (front/rear)?
Dstahl: Let me stop you right there. We have a ship coming that breaks this rule, so it is not true."
this could mean one of two things.
1. more than 4 fore/aft weapon slots.
2. Broadside.
and with the statement "Kumari LINE of Andorian Escorts" it makes for an interesting topic, Will it be like the vesta, has 3 ships, each with a slightly different look and special item? will they be bundled like the vesta and oddy sets....we all know it will.
so go my fellow forumites, discuss and bicker!
Listening to Geko's Interview with Priority One, he mentioned this with the Broadsider, not the Escort.
To me, the Andorian Escort will be a take on the Steamrunner, but instead of 2 LT Engineering, it will be 2 LT Science.
All I know is this is yet another freakin' federation escort thats getting insanely overpowered TRIBBLE and the KDF gets nothing. The last what? 5+ ships the KDF received were dumb copy/paste versions of the new federation ship.
The pathetic thing is, they could've made this ship and the broadside capability be a beta or delta quadrant ship that both sides could purchase through the cstore, each side with a unique console for their faction. A Talaxian ship... Akaali (from ST:E pre-industrial civ episode)...the list goes on and on. You know, a ship from a race that no one has ever seen before AND that could give the broadside ability some uniqueness.
But no. Andorian it had to be. Federation only. And an escort to add insult to injury.
Meh.
/endbitterklingonrant
Your kinda acting like this is all said and done, who said this is going to be the *broadsider*?
Kinda like people are going around expecting it to also be that ship that has 5 slots, they said ship but the Kumari is a group of ships...plural so when they said soon they might have not even meant the Kumari.
The ship is what a day and a half away unless they wait till after monday so lets just wait and see what happens.
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My understanding was the end of Feb but nobody knows at this point. What's happening next week is we are getting information on it, it may also be released at that time.
The KDF are gonna get a huge influx of new ships and possibly new ship types in May, this has been confirmed multiple times, the Andorian Warship has been long awaited since the arival of the vulcan ship.
Actually, nothing has been confirmed at all. You may have interpreted an answer as confirmation, but there hasn't actually been any.
dont get too upset because the KDF don't get a new ship right now, this is likely to be the final fed C-Store ship the feds get or hell any kind of ship for quite some time possibly a year, it would complete the pattern being set, Oddy-Cruiser, Vesta-Science vessel, Kumari-Escort, nothing else after that.
I disagree. The Kumari is just something that people want; the Andorians have Tactical, the Vulcan have Science. Being as the Tellarite are the other founding species of the Federation, it would come as no surprise to me to see a Tellarite Cruiser for Engineering players at some point.
In regard to the Oddy and Vesta; the Oddy is obviously ENG focused, the Vesta is SCI focused. I'm expecting there to be a TAC focused 'set' of ships released at some point too, hopefully in the form of the Achilles. I would too hope that they update the Oddy models, allowing for some variety (like they've done with the Vesta).
I expect the Kumari will come with 5 fore weapons, and two aft weapons. Bridge Officers will be as stated already (similar to Steamrunner, with a Sci instead of Eng).
In regard to the Oddy and Vesta; the Oddy is obviously ENG focused, the Vesta is SCI focused. I'm expecting there to be a TAC focused 'set' of ships released at some point too, hopefully in the form of the Achilles. I would too hope that they update the Oddy models, allowing for some variety (like they've done with the Vesta).
I expect the Kumari will come with 5 fore weapons, and two aft weapons. Bridge Officers will be as stated already (similar to Steamrunner, with a Sci instead of Eng).
I think the Kumari will be the TAC focused ship. The ody is a cruiser, vesta a sci ship, and kumari the missing escort. And I fully expect a 5/2 or something, which will make the KDF whine, and FEDS happy. As usual.
I think the Kumari will be the TAC focused ship. The ody is a cruiser, vesta a sci ship, and kumari the missing escort. And I fully expect a 5/2 or something, which will make the KDF whine, and FEDS happy. As usual.
I think it would seem a little out of place having the Kumari as the TAC focused ship alongside the Oddy and Vesta (especially when we already have a Vulcan ship that isn't related to them at all).
If it were to be the TAC focused ship, it would again need three versions (which kind of defeats the object of being an escort in the first place). No. I think it'll be a single ship for use by Tactical players. The TAC focused ship (next to the Oddy and Vesta) is something we've not yet seen.
I think it would seem a little out of place having the Kumari as the TAC focused ship alongside the Oddy and Vesta (especially when we already have a Vulcan ship that isn't related to them at all).
If it were to be the TAC focused ship, it would again need three versions (which kind of defeats the object of being an escort in the first place). No. I think it'll be a single ship for use by Tactical players. The TAC focused ship (next to the Oddy and Vesta) is something we've not yet seen.
The ody is a cruiser, in 3 flavor. The vesta is a sci ship. it seems logical to assume the missing one is an escort.
The vesta tac is simply a sci ship with more tac console, but it's not remotely close to an escort. A sci escort would be the same, an escort with some sci BOFF and sci consoles.
If the tac focused ship is another cruiser or sci ship, it will bad.
Its not really an STO thread without a KDF player demanding that all development on everything else magically halt until they get more non-canon material than they have already.
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Branflakes has already confirmed it will be a 3-pack C-Store ship and it is called the Kumari Escort.
So I believe it will follow in the footsteps of the Oddy (Eng) and Vesta (Sci) and will be available in 3 flavours. I hope it comes with a console/power set like the Oddy and Vesta and I am for one really looking forward to its release.
Well, I see no reason why it can't be available to feds and kdf. Can't you play as an Andorian in the kdf? If so, the story could be a faction of the Imperial guard wants to return to its warrior roots and took a bunch of ships with them when they defected. Or, simply that the kdf "commandeered" them.
Well, I see no reason why it can't be available to feds and kdf. Can't you play as an Andorian in the kdf? If so, the story could be a faction of the Imperial guard wants to return to its warrior roots and took a bunch of ships with them when they defected. Or, simply that the kdf "commandeered" them.
You can play as a Klingon in the Federation, but that doesn't mean you can fly a Bird of Prey.
The KDF are gonna get a huge influx of new ships and possibly new ship types in May, this has been confirmed multiple times, the Andorian Warship has been long awaited since the arival of the vulcan ship.
dont get too upset because the KDF don't get a new ship right now, this is likely to be the final fed C-Store ship the feds get or hell any kind of ship for quite some time possibly a year, it would complete the pattern being set, Oddy-Cruiser, Vesta-Science vessel, Kumari-Escort, nothing else after that.
Thats a load of TRIBBLE. Listen to the interview questions about the upcoming 'big thing' and you'll notice they're very clearly avoiding saying anything about KDF aside from 'oh we're adding content and low level player stuff'. I personally don't care about storyline missions but I do care about ship releases. So far the KDF has lost all uniqueness it once had thanks to the very unbalanced transfer of universal consoles from cstore ships to the federation while the KDF gets the Fed garbage consoles in return. The KDF ships have literally not changed since F2P patch whereas the entire federation line of ships has received nearly a dozen unique designs. I don't believe for an instant they're going to start adding unique kdf ships... more likely they will be yet again copy/paste versions of ships the federation will be getting.
You'll also notice they're using the same verbage they used when F2P was being worked on. That patch FUBARD the entire game up real bad. Faction-based Ships released since then have been practically exclusively federation with the KDF getting copy/paste versions. I think the only true ship they've made for the KDF in the past few years was the Hohsus bird of prey...everything else was copy/paste of federation goodies or fleet versions of existing ships.
It is definitely an Escort class, Branflakes confirmed that too me a few days ago.
It has been hinted at a unique weapon loadout, looking forward to it myself
Would be nice if the KDF also had this ship as well.....
I'd be interested not just in side mounted launchers but in breaking the 4/4, 4/2, 3/3 style loadouts.
Maybe a 2/4 tanky ship with cannons.
I kinda think dreadnaughts should have been more maneuverable cruisers with cannons but with a 3/3 weapon loadout.
And I also tend to think sci ships should get more love for mines and maybe some kind of specialty probes and an added aft weapon slot to be 3/4. I figure a ship with R&D focus should probably be more scary when they turn around and start firing exotic probes/platforms/devices at you.
Escorts are scariest when facing you. Cruisers are scariest from the side and fore. I feel like sci vessels should be most intimidating when their back is turned to you. There are some abilities that skew this way but I feel like a 3/4 weapon config would have emphasized that more.
They've pretty much confirmed across several podcasts over the past year or so that this Andorian ship is going to be a broadsider, which I have to say is really quite unfortunate.
Looking at the visual design and the way these ships performed on Enterprise, there could be no more blatantly forward-oriented ship in the franchise.
Not to say that a broadsiding ship is a bad idea, I just think it is a poor choice to implement in the Kumari.
A better choice for a broadsiding ship would be some form of Tellarite ship, as it seems that the Tellarites would favor tactics of "pull up, park, and let loose" with the broadside cannons, where the Andorians more favor the head-on attack. Also as a side benefit, of making a broadsider a Tellarite ship instead of Andorian, Cryptic has more leeway to design a ship that makes sense to be built/operated in this way rather than trying to make the current Kumari make sense for having lopsided weapons in a symmetrical design.
Branflakes has already confirmed it will be a 3-pack C-Store ship and it is called the Kumari Escort.
Well I guess that answers that question. I must say though, I'm somewhat disappointed to hear this. I would have preferred it if the Kumari was a pure Escort, and the '3-pack ship' was something else of actual Federation design.
Still, on the flip side, my Engineering toon is an Andorian, so if there is a 3-pack with an ENG-focused ship, I might actually look in to buying it. That'll be what, 2500zen? It'll essentially be an escort (saves me purchasing the fleet patrol escort). I can live with this.
Well, I see no reason why it can't be available to feds and kdf. Can't you play as an Andorian in the kdf? If so, the story could be a faction of the Imperial guard wants to return to its warrior roots and took a bunch of ships with them when they defected. Or, simply that the kdf "commandeered" them.
You wont be getting the Kumari for the KDF. The only ship the KDF got (with the release of a FED one) was the Bortas when the Oddy came out. KDF didn't get a Vesta compromise, they're not going to get a TAC compromise either, at least not until season 8.
I don't see the point of all the drama around wanting a new ship that does primary damage shooting weapons to the sides. We already have ships like that, they're called cruisers.
I don't see the point of all the drama around wanting a new ship that does primary damage shooting weapons to the sides. We already have ships like that, they're called cruisers.
I concur. Such weapon loadouts should be reserved for cruisers (with the exception of maybe the Akira; though there is nothing to stop Cryptic releasing an Engineering-focused Akira Class).
It might be a console which changes the axis of the ship from horizontal to vertical and lets you fire all eight weapons from broadside but imo broadside dual cannons wouldn't be worth it.
Based on the model it also might be 5/2, 6/1 or 7/0 ship.
hope it comes out soon realisticly the 22end but id like it to be sooner ( prabably not gana happen)
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Check out the two little purple orbs on the side of the fore section of the ship. those make me think broadside.
The pathetic thing is, they could've made this ship and the broadside capability be a beta or delta quadrant ship that both sides could purchase through the cstore, each side with a unique console for their faction. A Talaxian ship... Akaali (from ST:E pre-industrial civ episode)...the list goes on and on. You know, a ship from a race that no one has ever seen before AND that could give the broadside ability some uniqueness.
But no. Andorian it had to be. Federation only. And an escort to add insult to injury.
Meh.
/endbitterklingonrant
The KDF are gonna get a huge influx of new ships and possibly new ship types in May, this has been confirmed multiple times, the Andorian Warship has been long awaited since the arival of the vulcan ship.
dont get too upset because the KDF don't get a new ship right now, this is likely to be the final fed C-Store ship the feds get or hell any kind of ship for quite some time possibly a year, it would complete the pattern being set, Oddy-Cruiser, Vesta-Science vessel, Kumari-Escort, nothing else after that.
I am in full support of new KDF content, and I suspect they are going to be very glad in May, Hell I think it might even get me seriously back on my KDF General, though I do love my B'rel Refit.
Listening to Geko's Interview with Priority One, he mentioned this with the Broadsider, not the Escort.
To me, the Andorian Escort will be a take on the Steamrunner, but instead of 2 LT Engineering, it will be 2 LT Science.
Your kinda acting like this is all said and done, who said this is going to be the *broadsider*?
Kinda like people are going around expecting it to also be that ship that has 5 slots, they said ship but the Kumari is a group of ships...plural so when they said soon they might have not even meant the Kumari.
The ship is what a day and a half away unless they wait till after monday so lets just wait and see what happens.
No, it hasn't. All that's been confirmed for May is "everything's gonna be awesome, but we can't actually tell you anything about any of it".
Which is Cryptic speak for "please keep giving us money for the next three months while we release absolutely nothing".
My understanding was the end of Feb but nobody knows at this point. What's happening next week is we are getting information on it, it may also be released at that time.
I would guess on the 22nd if they want to release it on a patch day...but if not then sometime between then and the 28th.
Yeah... Cryptic promises "the biggest content patch to date", and then you're running around tagging Epohhs and grinding reputations.
Always take it with a grain of salt.
It is going to be a canon Scimitar boss ship. :cool:
I disagree. The Kumari is just something that people want; the Andorians have Tactical, the Vulcan have Science. Being as the Tellarite are the other founding species of the Federation, it would come as no surprise to me to see a Tellarite Cruiser for Engineering players at some point.
In regard to the Oddy and Vesta; the Oddy is obviously ENG focused, the Vesta is SCI focused. I'm expecting there to be a TAC focused 'set' of ships released at some point too, hopefully in the form of the Achilles. I would too hope that they update the Oddy models, allowing for some variety (like they've done with the Vesta).
I expect the Kumari will come with 5 fore weapons, and two aft weapons. Bridge Officers will be as stated already (similar to Steamrunner, with a Sci instead of Eng).
If it were to be the TAC focused ship, it would again need three versions (which kind of defeats the object of being an escort in the first place). No. I think it'll be a single ship for use by Tactical players. The TAC focused ship (next to the Oddy and Vesta) is something we've not yet seen.
The vesta tac is simply a sci ship with more tac console, but it's not remotely close to an escort. A sci escort would be the same, an escort with some sci BOFF and sci consoles.
If the tac focused ship is another cruiser or sci ship, it will bad.
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Branflakes has already confirmed it will be a 3-pack C-Store ship and it is called the Kumari Escort.
So I believe it will follow in the footsteps of the Oddy (Eng) and Vesta (Sci) and will be available in 3 flavours. I hope it comes with a console/power set like the Oddy and Vesta and I am for one really looking forward to its release.
It has been hinted at a unique weapon loadout, looking forward to it myself
Would be nice if the KDF also had this ship as well.....
You can play as a Klingon in the Federation, but that doesn't mean you can fly a Bird of Prey.
Thats a load of TRIBBLE. Listen to the interview questions about the upcoming 'big thing' and you'll notice they're very clearly avoiding saying anything about KDF aside from 'oh we're adding content and low level player stuff'. I personally don't care about storyline missions but I do care about ship releases. So far the KDF has lost all uniqueness it once had thanks to the very unbalanced transfer of universal consoles from cstore ships to the federation while the KDF gets the Fed garbage consoles in return. The KDF ships have literally not changed since F2P patch whereas the entire federation line of ships has received nearly a dozen unique designs. I don't believe for an instant they're going to start adding unique kdf ships... more likely they will be yet again copy/paste versions of ships the federation will be getting.
You'll also notice they're using the same verbage they used when F2P was being worked on. That patch FUBARD the entire game up real bad. Faction-based Ships released since then have been practically exclusively federation with the KDF getting copy/paste versions. I think the only true ship they've made for the KDF in the past few years was the Hohsus bird of prey...everything else was copy/paste of federation goodies or fleet versions of existing ships.
I'd be interested not just in side mounted launchers but in breaking the 4/4, 4/2, 3/3 style loadouts.
Maybe a 2/4 tanky ship with cannons.
I kinda think dreadnaughts should have been more maneuverable cruisers with cannons but with a 3/3 weapon loadout.
And I also tend to think sci ships should get more love for mines and maybe some kind of specialty probes and an added aft weapon slot to be 3/4. I figure a ship with R&D focus should probably be more scary when they turn around and start firing exotic probes/platforms/devices at you.
Escorts are scariest when facing you. Cruisers are scariest from the side and fore. I feel like sci vessels should be most intimidating when their back is turned to you. There are some abilities that skew this way but I feel like a 3/4 weapon config would have emphasized that more.
Looking at the visual design and the way these ships performed on Enterprise, there could be no more blatantly forward-oriented ship in the franchise.
Not to say that a broadsiding ship is a bad idea, I just think it is a poor choice to implement in the Kumari.
A better choice for a broadsiding ship would be some form of Tellarite ship, as it seems that the Tellarites would favor tactics of "pull up, park, and let loose" with the broadside cannons, where the Andorians more favor the head-on attack. Also as a side benefit, of making a broadsider a Tellarite ship instead of Andorian, Cryptic has more leeway to design a ship that makes sense to be built/operated in this way rather than trying to make the current Kumari make sense for having lopsided weapons in a symmetrical design.
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Still, on the flip side, my Engineering toon is an Andorian, so if there is a 3-pack with an ENG-focused ship, I might actually look in to buying it. That'll be what, 2500zen? It'll essentially be an escort (saves me purchasing the fleet patrol escort). I can live with this.
You wont be getting the Kumari for the KDF. The only ship the KDF got (with the release of a FED one) was the Bortas when the Oddy came out. KDF didn't get a Vesta compromise, they're not going to get a TAC compromise either, at least not until season 8.
Based on the model it also might be 5/2, 6/1 or 7/0 ship.