I do not know much about Neverwinter and so forth, but with this coming out and the sheer dissatisfaction of the gaming audience I must ask, is this game finally dead. I pose this because people may be thinking of spending money on the game and if this is the case they should avoid doing so.
The only new experience material that has come out for ages was a very short side mission with a brief gimmick voice over. Everything seems to be a waste of money in this game, or time if you grind, because theres nothing to actually aim for. I wouldnt mind making my ship great if there was some point, some enemy or so on, but theres nothing save the abyss of grind.
I base this mostly on my own sentiments, but also on the constant dissatisfaction and disappointment voiced by so many in the game.
If the game was dead, they probably wouldn't be hyping Season 8 (or whatever they're calling it) so much. Through the various dev tweets and such we know there are dozens of new ships and plenty of new content stuff coming out. I don't think they'd go to all that trouble unless they intended to follow through on at least some of it.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
This game has a huge fanbase, I think there are more satified customers then dissatisfied ones. Forum members only make up a small % of the player base. If you listen to half the naysayers on this forum they would give you the impression this game is crumbling and the proles are breaking down the doors.
Monkey see, Monkey do. Monkey flings Feathered Monkey poo...
I wouldnt mind making my ship great if there was some point
STO is not dead, but is just not aimed for gamers at all, and you've hit the point with that. This "game" is getting into a collectionism hobby, aiming for 40-50 trek audience fanbase with no clue about videogames. PWE gets tons of money selling Ambassadors, Constitution Bridges, uniforms. You can't imagine.
In the last year, at least as for gaming experiencie, the only mentionable thing has been Mine Trap and some other Rep or Fleet mission, but without being something from another world...
So STO as a product is not dieing, but as a game, for sooo many reasons that aren't worht to mention again and over and over, yes, I would say so.
May "Expansion" its seem for some people with certain hopes. Let's see what happen then.
I just started playing and I enjoy it, but for a 2-3 year old MMO its still raw. I feel I can never lose...which is wrong? It gets boring due to the fact that a challenge is not present in this game. There is no REAL strategy for any encounters even elites (1-2 guard random stuff trying to escape and mess up an objective, rest face roll stuff). We have 3 defining roles, but I feel these roles are pointless and encounters are not tuned to make these roles necessary. Thus, taking away any social aspect because its possible to accomplish everything in the entire game alone except achieving fleet ships( but thats not a challenge, just a time sink.) Also, all three classes have the option of putting points into the same tree, only leaving abilities specific to that class different. I can ramble on for hours about whats wrong with this game, but yeah. It entertains me for the moment...
Yes, this game is undoubtedly a money making machine, at its core. However, I feel as if the most I have taken out of this game are new friendships with people around the world, through my fleet and other connections.
As for challenges? Try Elite PUGs. That's a challenge - wishing for no noobs, and if you do get them, to release stress on them - I mean, educate them. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I meant!
And if you're lacking new content, there is always the Foundry, which I have taken a liking to in the past couple months. Not happy with the story? Make your version instead.
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I do not know much about Neverwinter and so forth, but with this coming out and the sheer dissatisfaction of the gaming audience I must ask, is this game finally dead. I pose this because people may be thinking of spending money on the game and if this is the case they should avoid doing so.
The only new experience material that has come out for ages was a very short side mission with a brief gimmick voice over. Everything seems to be a waste of money in this game, or time if you grind, because theres nothing to actually aim for. I wouldnt mind making my ship great if there was some point, some enemy or so on, but theres nothing save the abyss of grind.
I base this mostly on my own sentiments, but also on the constant dissatisfaction and disappointment voiced by so many in the game.
Yes, this game is undoubtedly a money making machine, at its core. However, I feel as if the most I have taken out of this game are new friendships with people around the world, through my fleet and other connections.
As for challenges? Try Elite PUGs. That's a challenge - wishing for no noobs, and if you do get them, to release stress on them - I mean, educate them. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I meant!
And if you're lacking new content, there is always the Foundry, which I have taken a liking to in the past couple months. Not happy with the story? Make your version instead.
all i do are pug elites, sometimes we miss on the extra..but I have only failed like 4-5 out of 500? There is no challenge.
I apologize - aiming for the optionals has become my personal "mandatory", and I forgot to include that in my last post.
"As for challenges? Try Elite PUGs, getting the optionals (opts). That's a challenge."
stardestroyer001, Admiral, Explorers Fury PvE/PvP Fleet | Retired PvP Player
Missing the good ol' days of PvP: Legacy of Romulus to Season 9 My List of Useful Links, Recently Updated November 25 2017!
I apologize - aiming for the optionals has become my personal "mandatory", and I forgot to include that in my last post.
"As for challenges? Try Elite PUGs, getting the optionals (opts). That's a challenge."
the reward isn't worth caring about...so missing it doesn't even remotely upset me. YEAHH more marks dolla bills for everyone....nothing prestige, don't give a %@%*
This game isn't dead.
Most people just have fergotten how to play a game!
During endless weeks/months of grinding and collecting you have lost the sight of the gameplay.
you are hunting for the best item/set/weapon/ship until you get it.
and than?
you know this emptyness after the first hooray feeling?
the game is still the same.
the game hasnt become better after you got yout Mk XII set.
you have to learn again what is important!!
the excellent foundry missions are transporting the star trek feeling at best!! really!!
you are bored of sto? try a foundry mission!
you are nerfed of grinding? make a break and come back playing a foundry mission!
i can really recommend this!
Stop hunting/grinding/searching for something you already have - you have just fergotten!
its a fact: you could even play the game with common (white) equippment - this "i want unique items" is just a side effect of mmo's.
look inside yourself and remember why you have started play this star trek game and try to get this feeling back with playing!
I do not know much about Neverwinter and so forth, but with this coming out and the sheer dissatisfaction of the gaming audience I must ask, is this game finally dead. I pose this because people may be thinking of spending money on the game and if this is the case they should avoid doing so.
The only new experience material that has come out for ages was a very short side mission with a brief gimmick voice over. Everything seems to be a waste of money in this game, or time if you grind, because theres nothing to actually aim for. I wouldnt mind making my ship great if there was some point, some enemy or so on, but theres nothing save the abyss of the grind.
Sorry.... But STO is not a waste
Try.... Mine craft or something, or maybe EvE online if you think STO is not up to par with you.
For the moment I enjoy the game, but only for casual play. I've had an account since the public beta, and I've probably been active for a total of 5 months (sad I know :P). I just started playing again a week ago, and honestly it still lacks anything to hold your attention for too long. The STF's for example, a year ago (or how long was it?) had a decent story behind them, were almost enjoyable, and now all that's been reduced to a paragraph and a grindy borg slaughterfest. I do, however, enjoy the featured episodes (I LOVED THE 2800). I suppose that kinda' makes up for it (I guess)...
Despite all of that I sincerely doubt the game is dying, although at times I question whether or not it should be called "Star Trek" Online... :rolleyes: on another note the general community is hardly dissatisfied with the game. Otherwise, why would they be playing, and more importantly WHY FOR F%%TRIBBLE SAKE WOULD THEY BE BLOWING AN A$$ LOAD OF ZEN IN THE C-ST... ZEN STORE?! If you're referring to the forums keep in mind the forums compose a small percentage of the player base, and most of the time they're either here to recruit for their fleet or COMPLAIN. It's like when you Google "I hate [insert POS]"... guess whats going to happen? You're going to find exactly what you were looking for, and nothing other than that. As in, it would be unlikely to see a result praising the aforementioned POS.
On second thought that rant would seem to imply that STO is a POS. So, Consider this a discla... sorry just could bring myself to finish that discla... :P
When the forums are not longer filled with angry players, then no one cares...then the game is dead...As long as players are screaming, and Quitting 4X a year the game will be fine.
When the forums are not longer filled with angry players, then no one cares...then the game is dead...As long as players are screaming, and Quitting 4X a year the game will be fine.
I quit all the time in real life.
Thankfully I always forget to tell my boss and can continue to earn a check when I come back.
I got 7 characters who are quite deleted and not coming back but that doesn't mean the game is dead... not yet and not until the servers get turned off.
Yeah, those who cry about quitting then come back do sound and look silly.
Is why I, as one who quit smoking cold turkey and was voted in my unit most likely to commit war crimes, never make threats but promises... and then act swiftly and decisively.
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
In a recent interview, it was stated that STO is currently bigger than CoX ever was. This is the cash cow that's bankrolling Neverwinter's development. How is it 'dead'?
I do not know much about Neverwinter and so forth, but with this coming out and the sheer dissatisfaction of the gaming audience I must ask, is this game finally dead. I pose this because people may be thinking of spending money on the game and if this is the case they should avoid doing so.
The only new experience material that has come out for ages was a very short side mission with a brief gimmick voice over. Everything seems to be a waste of money in this game, or time if you grind, because theres nothing to actually aim for. I wouldnt mind making my ship great if there was some point, some enemy or so on, but theres nothing save the abyss of grind.
I base this mostly on my own sentiments, but also on the constant dissatisfaction and disappointment voiced by so many in the game.
is this game finally dead? not by a longshot. i started playing approximately 1 year ago. since then i have noticed space around DS9, ESD, New Romulus, etc. more full of ships than ever.
i see a lot of excitement concerning season 8 and the possibiity of a romulan faction. lot's of excitement about the new andorian ships.
our fleet gets new members daily, both new and old players.
when a new ship comes out i don't see just a few of them around. i see them by the hundreds. seems like every minute someone just got a new ship. those messages constantly show up on my screen. one after another all night long.
no where near dead.
i think people that are happy with the game are playing STO.
the game may not be for everyone, but a lot of people seem to like it.
When the forums are not longer filled with angry players, then no one cares...then the game is dead...As long as players are screaming, and Quitting 4X a year the game will be fine.
Right now one of the bigger issues that not only my own fleet, but several we associate with, is the lack of output for the game in it's "whole". PWE, such as many companies in their country, are aimed at one purpose.....getting as much money out of the consumer...for the least amount of cost to them. I have been around STO since before Beta release and I can tell you the switch to what we call "Corporate Washout", is almost astonishing. Before it was "what can we put in to make the game more fun, more Star Trek". Now, it's what can we cram into the C-Store this week to get more money.
Note how fast C-Store items are concieved, designed, priced, and released. Now, compare that to how fast anything with "content" being released. Cryptic and PWE either don't care what we, the consumer think...or just are blind to what they are doing. Take the assorted tier ships that "used" to be available by in game means. Now they are C-Store (Nebula, Intrepid, etc). Ships that Trek fans wan't to use. Of course Cryptic's reply will be "you can still get them without paying". Ok sure, if you want to spend 7 days a week, 10 hours a day grinding dilithium to get one. As a father and head of the house, I can't spend such time.
When Cryptic and their overlord PWE stop and see just how bad they are driving the game into the dirt, then, and ONLY then, will we actually see the STO platform start to increase in overall ratings. But since they are as mentioned, a "corporation", that will never likely happen.
As for the game being dead? Will never really happen in the near future. I know alot of STO players have left for WOW, Neverwinter, etc for now. I myself am on ARMA 2 more myself now. I hop in on occasion to check on the fleet and such.
The only good side is there are several other reputable game designers out there chomping at the bit to make a Trek based MMO. All we can do is wait and see.
I do not believe this game is dead yet there does seem to be alot of issue with things in the game that needs to be address by the dev bug and other game balancing issue. One of the problems is dev are listing to a small minority of people and the majority of people that play the game the other issue being is that a lot of people do not come to the forums to make there voice heard and the only time the forums do get active is when the dev's make a decision that is not popular. If people want to see real game change they need to become active on the forums and thaqt will also help with keep the game going alive and well the most powerful things we have is our voice here on the forums not getting mad and pointing fingers and flaming but having a logical conversation and looking at all views that are presented.
and the sheer dissatisfaction of the gaming audience I must ask, is this game finally dead.
Excuse me, but you do not speak for me, and stop assuming you know how the gaming audience feels about this game.
If you are going by the opinions of the gamers that post here on this little forum who represent less than .1% of the gaming population, then you are seriously out of touch with reality.
It's only the same small group of people here who complain anyway, and they in no way represent any kind of majority.
For every person spewing doom and gloom, there are a dozen saying they enjoy it, for everyone posting in the forums there are 10 times as many who are just out there playing the game.
If you're bored of endgame content, start a new character, if you just don't like the game, well don't let the door hit you in the backside on your way out. It's a video game, not your virtual life.
Oh, and by the way, if you're leaving, can I have your stuff?
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
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"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
STO is not dead, but is just not aimed for gamers at all, and you've hit the point with that. This "game" is getting into a collectionism hobby, aiming for 40-50 trek audience fanbase with no clue about videogames. PWE gets tons of money selling Ambassadors, Constitution Bridges, uniforms. You can't imagine.
In the last year, at least as for gaming experiencie, the only mentionable thing has been Mine Trap and some other Rep or Fleet mission, but without being something from another world...
So STO as a product is not dieing, but as a game, for sooo many reasons that aren't worht to mention again and over and over, yes, I would say so.
May "Expansion" its seem for some people with certain hopes. Let's see what happen then.
I love deadpan snark.
As for challenges? Try Elite PUGs. That's a challenge - wishing for no noobs, and if you do get them, to release stress on them - I mean, educate them. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I meant!
And if you're lacking new content, there is always the Foundry, which I have taken a liking to in the past couple months. Not happy with the story? Make your version instead.
Missing the good ol' days of PvP: Legacy of Romulus to Season 9
My List of Useful Links, Recently Updated November 25 2017!
there is a term for this ... Middle Child
all i do are pug elites, sometimes we miss on the extra..but I have only failed like 4-5 out of 500? There is no challenge.
"As for challenges? Try Elite PUGs, getting the optionals (opts). That's a challenge."
Missing the good ol' days of PvP: Legacy of Romulus to Season 9
My List of Useful Links, Recently Updated November 25 2017!
the reward isn't worth caring about...so missing it doesn't even remotely upset me. YEAHH more marks dolla bills for everyone....nothing prestige, don't give a %@%*
Most people just have fergotten how to play a game!
During endless weeks/months of grinding and collecting you have lost the sight of the gameplay.
you are hunting for the best item/set/weapon/ship until you get it.
and than?
you know this emptyness after the first hooray feeling?
the game is still the same.
the game hasnt become better after you got yout Mk XII set.
you have to learn again what is important!!
the excellent foundry missions are transporting the star trek feeling at best!! really!!
you are bored of sto? try a foundry mission!
you are nerfed of grinding? make a break and come back playing a foundry mission!
i can really recommend this!
Stop hunting/grinding/searching for something you already have - you have just fergotten!
its a fact: you could even play the game with common (white) equippment - this "i want unique items" is just a side effect of mmo's.
look inside yourself and remember why you have started play this star trek game and try to get this feeling back with playing!
Sorry.... But STO is not a waste
Try.... Mine craft or something, or maybe EvE online if you think STO is not up to par with you.
Despite all of that I sincerely doubt the game is dying, although at times I question whether or not it should be called "Star Trek" Online... :rolleyes: on another note the general community is hardly dissatisfied with the game. Otherwise, why would they be playing, and more importantly WHY FOR F%%TRIBBLE SAKE WOULD THEY BE BLOWING AN A$$ LOAD OF ZEN IN THE C-ST... ZEN STORE?! If you're referring to the forums keep in mind the forums compose a small percentage of the player base, and most of the time they're either here to recruit for their fleet or COMPLAIN. It's like when you Google "I hate [insert POS]"... guess whats going to happen? You're going to find exactly what you were looking for, and nothing other than that. As in, it would be unlikely to see a result praising the aforementioned POS.
On second thought that rant would seem to imply that STO is a POS. So, Consider this a discla... sorry just could bring myself to finish that discla... :P
EDIT: I almost died laughing when I read the OP.
fail troll is fail
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I quit all the time in real life.
Thankfully I always forget to tell my boss and can continue to earn a check when I come back.
Yeah, those who cry about quitting then come back do sound and look silly.
Is why I, as one who quit smoking cold turkey and was voted in my unit most likely to commit war crimes, never make threats but promises... and then act swiftly and decisively.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
is this game finally dead? not by a longshot. i started playing approximately 1 year ago. since then i have noticed space around DS9, ESD, New Romulus, etc. more full of ships than ever.
i see a lot of excitement concerning season 8 and the possibiity of a romulan faction. lot's of excitement about the new andorian ships.
our fleet gets new members daily, both new and old players.
when a new ship comes out i don't see just a few of them around. i see them by the hundreds. seems like every minute someone just got a new ship. those messages constantly show up on my screen. one after another all night long.
no where near dead.
i think people that are happy with the game are playing STO.
the game may not be for everyone, but a lot of people seem to like it.
So very true and very well put
Seriously, people have been declaring this game dead since well before launch, and it's still here.
Note how fast C-Store items are concieved, designed, priced, and released. Now, compare that to how fast anything with "content" being released. Cryptic and PWE either don't care what we, the consumer think...or just are blind to what they are doing. Take the assorted tier ships that "used" to be available by in game means. Now they are C-Store (Nebula, Intrepid, etc). Ships that Trek fans wan't to use. Of course Cryptic's reply will be "you can still get them without paying". Ok sure, if you want to spend 7 days a week, 10 hours a day grinding dilithium to get one. As a father and head of the house, I can't spend such time.
When Cryptic and their overlord PWE stop and see just how bad they are driving the game into the dirt, then, and ONLY then, will we actually see the STO platform start to increase in overall ratings. But since they are as mentioned, a "corporation", that will never likely happen.
As for the game being dead? Will never really happen in the near future. I know alot of STO players have left for WOW, Neverwinter, etc for now. I myself am on ARMA 2 more myself now. I hop in on occasion to check on the fleet and such.
The only good side is there are several other reputable game designers out there chomping at the bit to make a Trek based MMO. All we can do is wait and see.
Excuse me, but you do not speak for me, and stop assuming you know how the gaming audience feels about this game.
If you are going by the opinions of the gamers that post here on this little forum who represent less than .1% of the gaming population, then you are seriously out of touch with reality.
It's only the same small group of people here who complain anyway, and they in no way represent any kind of majority.
If you're bored of endgame content, start a new character, if you just don't like the game, well don't let the door hit you in the backside on your way out. It's a video game, not your virtual life.
Oh, and by the way, if you're leaving, can I have your stuff?