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  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    whaller138 wrote: »
    Insurrection took place after the war so at this time the Son'a would be with the Baku.

    Insurrection took place during the Dominion War.......not after. Also, that was not the whole of the Son'a at the Baku System.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Jadzia Dax served at times on a Klingon Ship, and yes I know the Federation and Klingons are allies at the time, but so are the Orions, Gorn, Nausicaans, Ferasans, and sort of the Letheans, oh and the Trill Colony.

    Better then allies, Vassal States, which are higher up the food chain then simple conquerored planets.

    The Klingon Empire had to allow other races to join the KDF, the Empire seems to have at least doubled or more super rapidly, without the inferstructure and militarily defend it against a rising tide of enemies, it was the only way to protect the Empire.

    Look at Ancient Rome as it expanded, it ended up growing so fast it had to recruit from conquerored tribes and almost every empire worthy of the name has done simular from Ottoman Janissaries to the vassal states of the USSR like Poland and Hungary.

    I see it as no different then the Romulans. The Romulans were conquerored many races before Romulus's destruction, most if not all were used as slaves or dispossible ground troops, just like the Remen's were.

    With first Shinzon and then Romulus blowing up the balance of power changed and the Romulans could no longer treat other subjects so poorly, the only possible way to save the empire would be to give the other species a stake in it.
  • aarons9aarons9 Member Posts: 961
    edited February 2013
    i think the nature of Romulans would be enemy to everyone else..
    they are kinda like the tholians where they would conquer instead of make friends..
    in enterprise their home world was surrounded by cloaked mines so nobody could enter?

    unlike the klingons, where when they conquer a world they would force the enemy to fight for them or be slaves or die.. that is why kdf has all types of species.
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  • jkstocbrjkstocbr Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Just pure green blooded Romulans please. Don't dilute the empire.
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,316 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The whole point of Dtans faction is to get rid of the so called "romulan nature" that you speak of.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    westx211 wrote: »
    The whole point of Dtans faction is to get rid of the so called "romulan nature" that you speak of.

    That's what we want him to think....he will be dead soon. :D
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Romulan
    Reman
    Joined Trill
    Lib. Borg Romulan
    Hirogen


    Joined Trill is traditionally a faction agnostic species, there's no sensible reason they should be excluded. As for the Liberated Borg Romulans, they are a necessity of the LTS perk that must be honored to avoid a forum firestorm.

    Which brings me to the Hirogen. It looks to me like a lot of people are locked into dogmatic canon or have their opinions clouded by raw fanboyism. Allow me to present an argument for Reman inclusion that should, hopefully, fit the Romulan's modus operandi.

    The Empire is weak. Many ships were lost, many lives were lost, and they can only replace them but so quickly. If they have any desire to present themselves as a threat, they must act quickly and decisively, but they haven't the manpower or fleet presence to do so. What's worse, the Reman Resistance led by Obisek has caused their traditional go-to expandable soldiers to revolt, leaving them with few frontline troops to enforce their assertion.

    Enter the Hirogen. A nomadic race seeking little more than the hunt, in a quadrant full of new prey. Big, strong, cunning, intelligent, fearsome, but... not beyond manipulation. Sela's initial contact with them put the two groups on speaking terms. All it would take is skilled manipulation and maneuvering, something the Romulans excel at, to turn them into a serviceable supplement for their numbers.

    Essentially, the Hirogen would be the Romulan's answer to the KDF's utilization of Nausicaan pirates. Not a "member race" by any stretch of the imagination, merely business partners.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Only ones that make sense are Romulan/liberated Romulan, Reman, and Hirogen. Joined Trill does not make sense, and it doesn't really make sense for them to be in KDF either. Just because Curzon was respected in the Klingon Empire it doesn't mean other joined Trill would betray their world and the Federation to join other factions.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,882 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The Hirogen just wouldn't really fit D'Tans Romulus...D'Tan is trying to change Romulan ways...besides Hirogen are allied with the old Empire.

    The Tal'shiar wouldn't have a problem with letting the Hirogen out to hunt and kill as long as it isn't them they are killing...D'Tan on the other hand I think would have problems with the *hunting* the Hirogen take part in.

    D'Tan isn't just another Romulan who wanted control of the Empire...he wants to change it...he want to make a new beginning on New Romulus.
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I thought we were talking about a Romulan faction? What's D'tan and his splinter group got to do with that?
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,882 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    jexsamx wrote: »
    I thought we were talking about a Romulan faction? What's D'tan and his splinter group got to do with that?

    If we get Romulans I don't think it will be the old Romulans I think it will be New Romulans.

    Old Romulans would be to busy fighting amongst themselves to rebuild anything.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    lordgyor wrote: »
    Some how just Reman and Romulan seem too sparse.

    Here is some suggestions I think would fit with Romulans.

    Ktarians, thier they almost took over the federation with an addictive mind altering video game, the kind of non violent conquest that Romulans would respect.
    Hehe... Ktarian history is confusing.... VERY.... It's been alluded to in several eps that they may actually be a Federation member...
    lordgyor wrote: »
    Orions- Honestly I'd love to be able to move my Orion Character over to the Romulans, it'd be a better fit for the Orions then Klingons. I doubt this would happen sadly.
    Maybe they could have some Orions in the RSE, but the game already has a reason for why there are so many in the KDF.
    lordgyor wrote: »
    Trill and liberated borg, because everyone else has them :p
    yes. :D
    lordgyor wrote: »
    Edo because the Romulans would better understand thier laws, yet would not be put off by thier idyllic existance like Klingons would.
    Well... the issue with the Edo is that they can't leave their planet....
    lordgyor wrote: »
    Yaridians because there cunning and manipulative.
    Jaridians? or Yridian? Yridians are a maybe I guess.
    lordgyor wrote: »
    Some people think the Horegin, but honestly they fit better with Klingons.
    Hirogen are already allied with the Romulans in the game. How far does that alliance go? Hard to say... but they make a good candidate for a Romulan C-store race.
    Essentially, the Hirogen would be the Romulan's answer to the KDF's utilization of Nausicaan pirates. Not a "member race" by any stretch of the imagination, merely business partners.
    Exactly! This is also true (to some extent) of the Feds and Ferengi.
    lordgyor wrote: »
    Viadeens would be cool with the Romulans.
    Vidiians?nah, Vidiian space is too far away.
    lordgyor wrote: »
    Suliban would fit as well.
    Suliban would be nice to play as.

    I like the idea of tossing in Vulcan reunificationists.

    Flaxians are a nice idea.
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  • flatmattflatmatt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    My imagining of the Romulan faction would be from the D'Tan/Obisek/Reunificationist/New Romulus angle as well. If that's the case, I'd probably lean toward the species breakdown being:

    - Romulans
    - Remans
    - Vulcans (C-Store?)
    - Hirogen (C-Store)
    - Liberated Borg (lifetime Captain/C-Store BOffs)
    - Alien

    The Vulcans I'd imagine as kept in the C-Store because, though they would be present in such a faction, they might not be common. However, due to the limited species choices above and the fact that they can look identical to some Romulans, I could see them as a non-C-Store species.

    Similarly the Hirogen would have a limited presence. There seem to be quite a few of them in Romulan space, so some limited number could defect to the new faction. Regardless of numbers, I think it would be a lost opportunity not to include them, and with their unique appearance they'd be the obvious pick for a C-Store species.

    I don't really see the Trill being there, but I guess they could be.

    Final idea (not thought through): special Romulan Hybrid species (Sela, Simon Tarses, the planet from "Birthright") due to limited choices?
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,882 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    flatmatt wrote: »
    My imagining of the Romulan faction would be from the D'Tan/Obisek/Reunificationist/New Romulus angle as well. If that's the case, I'd probably lean toward the species breakdown being:

    - Romulans
    - Remans
    - Vulcans (C-Store?)
    - Hirogen (C-Store)
    - Liberated Borg (lifetime Captain/C-Store BOffs)
    - Alien

    The Vulcans I'd imagine as kept in the C-Store because, though they would be present in such a faction, they might not be common. However, due to the limited species choices above and the fact that they can look identical to some Romulans, I could see them as a non-C-Store species.

    Similarly the Hirogen would have a limited presence. There seem to be quite a few of them in Romulan space, so some limited number could defect to the new faction. Regardless of numbers, I think it would be a lost opportunity not to include them, and with their unique appearance they'd be the obvious pick for a C-Store species.

    I don't really see the Trill being there, but I guess they could be.

    Final idea (not thought through): special Romulan Hybrid species (Sela, Simon Tarses)?

    Well if we go with hybrids there have been several

    Klingon/Romulan - Klingons with pointy ears
    Human/Romulan - Romulan with blonde hair instead of black

    T'Pol was supposed to be half Romulan if Enterprise went on, but there wasn't really anything setting her apart visually from a Vulcan...so maybe thats how the ROmulan faction could have Vulcans...half and half...births from reunificationists.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    How bout the dinosaurs from the delta quadrant.
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  • warbird001warbird001 Member Posts: 246 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I would like to the see the So'na be introduced to either the Klingon or Romulan factions. I'm not fond of the race but I really love their ship designs, they look agile and fun to fly.
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  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Dead Romulan
    Irradiated Romulan
    Tortured Romulan
    Deckplate of cellular residue Romulan

    These are the only types of Romulans of interest to the Klingon Empire.
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  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    bloctoad wrote: »
    Dead Romulan
    Irradiated Romulan
    Tortured Romulan
    Deckplate of cellular residue Romulan

    These are the only types of Romulans of interest to the Klingon Empire.

    lololol yeah :D
  • kadieraskadieras Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    They can add whatever races they want, they can't make us acknowledge them or play with them.
    Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
  • zulisvelzulisvel Member Posts: 518 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'm going to assume that an eventual Romulan faction won't be D'Tan's faction but rather one of the other splinter groups trying to keep the old RSE alive. Whether that's Sela's group or another I don't think it really matters.

    That said there is precedent for Romulan's integrating outsiders into their society. Stefan DeSeve was a Starfleet ensign who defected to the Romulans and was allowed to join the military. Sela, obviously. And I don't remember the Klingon/Romulan hybrids from "Birthright" being treated poorly by their Romulan parents.

    I think an alien would be accepted in Romulan society as long as they completely adopted the Romulan way of life.

    So:
    - Romulan
    - Reman: There were Remans who weren't slaves and obtained high status in the old RSE, so I could see those wanting to keep the status quo.
    - Liberated Borg Romulan: For lifers.
    - Hirogen: Already allies in game, to an extent.
    - Yridian: The dev team has been working on them for a while now. Could be the Romulan answer to Fed Ferengi and KDF Orions.
    - Thallonian: (Red Orions :P) Mackenzie Calhoun is in the game as an NPC so I'd imagine the legal rights might not be that difficult. Sector 221-G is close to the Romulan boarder. And it's been awhile since I read the books but the New Thallonian Protectorate seemed to be headed this direction anyway.
    - Whatever other allies Cryptic decides Sela managed to bring out of the Delta Quadrant (And DStahl's been saying we'll be getting to that part of space sooner rather than later).
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  • helvetiamatt81helvetiamatt81 Member Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    You know, that's exactly why I suggested to create a Dominion faction instead of a Romulan one. There you have a lot of naturally grown races which are member of the big Dominion, like the Jem'Hadar, the Vorta, the Founders, the Dosi, the Karemma, etc.

    The Ferengi as part of a Romulan faction? The Trill?!? Are you serious??? :eek: Come on, it is strange enough for the Trill to be part of the Klingon faction. Just because Jadzia (and Curzon) were fan of the klingon lifestyle, everyone thinks that the whole race should be part. The Trill homeplanet is a federation member!! They are mostly scientists! The just don't belong to a klingon or romulan faction.

    I also didn't get the connection between Hirogen and Romulans. There are ten thousands of lightyears between them. Nothing further to add.

    I believe that the devs will miss a great opportunity here if they create a (very small) Romulan faction instead of a Dominion one. But that's just my opinion. But if it comes, I would support the Flaxians as member of their side.
  • daboholicdaboholic Member Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Some interesting suggestions. However if/when the Romulan faction arrives my Boff setup will consist of (assuming all races are released as part of the faction)

    - Romulans
    - Liberated Borg Romulans

    However just to add a little spice to the mix I may also consider

    - Remans (Gotta have somewhere to rest your feet after a long day)
    - Yridians (For when you need to go on a dangerous intelligence gathering mission and it's just not worth risking a Romulan life)

    That's it for me. I'd prefer to try and keep the RSE as purely Romulan as possible (for me and my ship at least). The only reason I'd consider Yridians is they would seem to make useful proxy agents for the Tal Shiar.

    This of course is subject to which version of a Romulan faction we get.

    *Edit*

    As much as I may dislike them, I'm not against the idea of the Hirogen as allies. Given the broken state of the RSE, who wouldn't want some big-TRIBBLE gun-toting help? I just wouldn't want them on my ship.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,882 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    You know, that's exactly why I suggested to create a Dominion faction instead of a Romulan one. There you have a lot of naturally grown races which are member of the big Dominion, like the Jem'Hadar, the Vorta, the Founders, the Dosi, the Karemma, etc.

    The Ferengi as part of a Romulan faction? The Trill?!? Are you serious??? :eek: Come on, it is strange enough for the Trill to be part of the Klingon faction. Just because Jadzia (and Curzon) were fan of the klingon lifestyle, everyone thinks that the whole race should be part. The Trill homeplanet is a federation member!! They are mostly scientists! The just don't belong to a klingon or romulan faction.

    I also didn't get the connection between Hirogen and Romulans. There are ten thousands of lightyears between them. Nothing further to add.

    I believe that the devs will miss a great opportunity here if they create a (very small) Romulan faction instead of a Dominion one. But that's just my opinion. But if it comes, I would support the Flaxians as member of their side.

    Well I would say Romulans are more scientific than Klingons...doesn't make a whole lot of sense I admit...but since both have them would be fair to give them to Romulans too.

    Hirogen...there are Hirogen in the alpha quadrant...Sela made a deal with them...they assist her and she allowed them to hunt in Romulan space...thus why I don't think they would fit as a race if we play as D'Tan's Romulans.
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  • denizenvidenizenvi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    As for whether we play as 'Sela's Romulans' or 'D'tan's Romulans', I'd suggest starting the campaign before they've diverged. If the Romulan campaign starts at the same time as the Klingon and Federation campaigns, players would witness the turbulence of Romulan society as they leveled up and experienced the events we've seen from other sides.



    Maybe Romulan players would become able to visit New Romulus at max level, just like our FED and KDF characters. By that time, they've lived through enough to decide if they should support a more honest, peaceful Romulan Empire, or side with the more devious elements of the Romulan military.
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  • mattgrantmattgrant Member Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    In an ideal world where the practicality of gameplay design did not take precedence to the purity of canon, I agree that it would be nice to see a ethnically exclusive Romulan faction. That said, the people arguing for it seem to be taking their own position for granted.

    If we're to go down that road, it wouldn't mean a faction of Romulan and Reman captains, it would mean a faction of Romulan captains and some Reman crew members. Remans are not just second class citizens, they might as well be fourth or fifth class citizens. Romulan excrement is treated with greater reverence than a Reman life. If there are to be Reman captains (which lets face it - there will be) the argument and decision has already been made to include a host of other races. If even Reman are allowed command of a ship, then the Romulan faction is no long the Star Empire of old.

    Past the point of no return of complete purity with the Romulans, much like the KDF, all but mandates that the gameplay of the faction becomes inclusive to a number of races.
  • skonnskonn Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'm curious... most of you are tossing the liberated Borg for the LTS perk, so would you be ok with the Android boff?

    Granted, a Soong-type android siding with Romulans sounds silly (unless it was Lore-ish) but so does the idea of a KDF android.

    Thumbs up for the Suliban, they're actually servants in canon. Trills may sound implausible.. but if that leap in disbelief causes you issues, we're not playing the same game :P

    It's a long-shot, but what if Cryptic decides to recall the Typhon pact? that would add Cardassians and Breen, among others.

    Because if you think the RSE member races are limited, they're a verified plethora compared to what a Cardassian faction would offer. This is also why the idea of "mini factions" that so many seem to steadfastedly predict seems unrealistic, what will happen when they decide to add more races? Cryptic has said the Cardassians are next (and I, for one, would love to play as Tholians), will you have them in the Federation and the KDF, as well? Then why have factions at all?
  • solomonk1ngsolomonk1ng Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    eisenw0lf wrote: »
    Both Klingons and Romulans conquer and rule over other species, but they don't let them join their ranks. They remain servants. Romulans in particular are highly xenophobic and this should be somehow resembled in their faction ingame.

    They let a human Starfleet defector into their ranks. Face of the Enemy

    Ensign Stefan DeSeve "was described in the script as a man "in his late forties, but his face is lined and worn beyond his years. He wears the unadorned uniform of an enlisted Romulan soldier."

    Seeing as it is canon, I don't see an issue allowing a few various species into a playable Romulan faction (if we're even getting one - we really could be reading way into the teaser). The better question may be: which Romulan faction would we be playing?
  • wanderer89wanderer89 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    IF we get the RSE faction then I personally think we'll get;

    Imperial Romulans (Whiter skin, smooth forehead)
    Lower Romulan (Greener skin, hard brow on forehead) / Think Nero
    Hirogen
    Liberated Romulan Borg
    Alien

    I dont believe the Remans will be included, after all we did just do a Feature Series liberating them from the Romulans. Plus I don't think it would work from a roleplaying point of view to be a Reman who wants to oppress other Remans.



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  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    You know, that's exactly why I suggested to create a Dominion faction instead of a Romulan one. There you have a lot of naturally grown races which are member of the big Dominion, like the Jem'Hadar, the Vorta, the Founders, the Dosi, the Karemma, etc.

    The Ferengi as part of a Romulan faction? The Trill?!? Are you serious??? :eek: Come on, it is strange enough for the Trill to be part of the Klingon faction. Just because Jadzia (and Curzon) were fan of the klingon lifestyle, everyone thinks that the whole race should be part. The Trill homeplanet is a federation member!! They are mostly scientists! The just don't belong to a klingon or romulan faction.

    I also didn't get the connection between Hirogen and Romulans. There are ten thousands of lightyears between them. Nothing further to add.

    I believe that the devs will miss a great opportunity here if they create a (very small) Romulan faction instead of a Dominion one. But that's just my opinion. But if it comes, I would support the Flaxians as member of their side.

    There will never be a Dominion faction or reputation after the lockbox. What is left to dole out that people could get excited about?
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