100 Lockboxes - Results

humblesheep · February 2013

100 Lockboxes, (cost 990,000 Dilithium for the keys, exchanging at 88:1) wanted a Jem?Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier. Didnt get it.

Did Get:

Liked:
Purple Doffs: 3,
Bio Warheads 3 (but only needed 1).

Neutral:
Lobi: 405 (now only need to gring another mil for the jemmy),
8 ship weapons (but none as good as my current Mk xi - on the exchange soon).

Didnt need:
19 doff packs: lots of whites and greens, only three blues in the lot of them (gave all to a L7 character).
7 patrol escorts,
7 purple ground weapons.

Worthless junk:
76 dilithium claims,
and some other stuff that went straight in the recycler.

Back in a couple of months (with another mil),

Not the best return for a million dilithium.

darimund · February 2013

this is not surprising. I refuse to play the lock box game.

neoakiraii · February 2013

I just like to point out you could of sold the keys on the exchange then got the ship off the exchange, and weapons for it.

would of net you at least 100mill

skyranger1414 · February 2013

neoakiraii wrote: »

I just like to point out you could of sold the keys on the exchange then got the ship off the exchange, and weapons for it.

would of net you at least 140 mill

Its pretty clear he's choosing to do it this way because he wants to let everyone know what the current lockbox prize distribution is like. And while I would never open lockboxes with the intent of getting the big prize I always applaud anyone's efforts in spreading such knowledge.

sunfrancks · February 2013

It is nice that we have people in the community willing to do this.

When the first lockbox was released and someone then did the same thing, less than 1% chance of getting a ship signaled me to never ever open boxes for the ships alone.
It is far better to save up ec and just buy what you want off the exchange.

twg042370 · February 2013

humblesheep wrote: »

Not the best return for a million dilithium.

I've been doing the same with my dil just because I need a new ship like I need a hole in the head.

I've found the secondary rewards in this box to be far better than the secondary rewards in the last couple since those were more fleet focused. Just as useful as the Cardassian box IMHO.

The gear and ships are good for some quick exchange cash. The doffs (Which have been the reward given about 75% of the time) are pretty helpful for your lower level toons. And sometimes you get one or two to sell on the exchange.

I like doing the mining because it's quick and easy and fun to bounce around in the low gravity, so the claims are welcome to me.

As for the Lobi... You get more on average from the Ferengi box I believe. But you still have to wait a while to get anything useful from the Lobi store. Since I keep very little in my bank (All gear is either equipped, sold, or passed along to another character) the Lobi pile sitting there isn't hurting me.

Over all, I like this box and if a player doesn't have anything better to do with their dil-bought Zen like me, I don't see why they don't open a few.

neoakiraii · February 2013

skyranger1414 wrote: »

Its pretty clear he's choosing to do it this way because he wants to let everyone know what the current lockbox prize distribution is like. And while I would never open lockboxes with the intent of getting the big prize I always applaud anyone's efforts in spreading such knowledge.

We already know, there have been many threads of this already, and an entry in the STO wiki already...so it's pretty point less at this point to keep telling players what they know.

It's like smoking we know it's bad and people are told it's bad, but they still smoke. Everyone knows the lockboxes are luck, and yet they still will open them...I would have just took the EC instead of making a pointless statement that we already know.

cmdrskyfaller · February 2013

This is the disturbing part:

Neutral:
Lobi: 405

100 boxes. Only 405 lobi. That means you literally got 4 lobi per box and five boxes of those gave you 5 each.

That is extremely pathetic and proves the boxes themselves are hard coded to give the minimum amount of lobi possible. The chance of a 50 lobi box is as low as the lockbox prize ship.

THIS and we dont have account bound lobi. Minimum prize for USEFUL stuff is 200 lobi. 50 boxes.

This is a scam within a scam within a scam. XD

twg042370 · February 2013

cmdrskyfaller wrote: »

...100 boxes. Only 405 lobi. That means you literally got 4 lobi per box and five boxes of those gave you 5 each.

That is extremely pathetic and proves the boxes themselves are hard coded to give the minimum amount of lobi possible.

I don't think it's proof. You'd need to get into the code for that. But it is a good indication that the odds generator for it may be skewed to the low side.

Also, isn't the max 15 or something like that and not 50?

bwleon7 · February 2013

Ouch. Well I think I'm done buying keys.

redsnake721 · February 2013

I had 100 keys and sold them on exchange and just bought both ships 80 mil each

ashtaku · February 2013

Sorry to hear you didn't get the Escort Carrier. Assuming the loot table is structured similarly to the last one, the odds are about 1/276, so getting that ship is kind of a long shot unfortunately.

Your info however interests me for another reason - it provides a basis for evaluating the return on investment for the boxes.

Your input is 990,000 dil.

You got...

3 purple doffs (let's conservatively call those about 5 million EC each -> 4 keys -> 500 zen -> 44,000 dil at 88:1 exchange rate)
3 scaling item boxes (300 zen if precedent from the melee boxes hold -> 26,400 dil)
405 Lobi
8+7 weapons (equivalent to mk XI D-Store weapons; 22,620 dil each)
7 tier V non-console/non-ability ships (120,000 dil each) + 400 zen -> 35,200 dil for the costume unlock going by the pricing of the old ship costumes
19 doff packs (@ 500 dil each, assuming 1/2 size of 1000 dil doff pack = 1/2 price)
380,000 dil over 76 days from mining claims

If my math is right, that tallies to about 1.8 million dil out for 1.0 million dil in. The promised minimum rate of exchange is 1.4:1 so it sounds like you came out OK...

...except for the 500-pound gorilla which is the lack of control over what you get.

It sounds like the real moral of the story is: lockboxes actually do give you a better crystal-for-crystal rate of return on dilithium than direct spending, at the cost of losing control over the outputs.

humblesheep wrote: »

100 Lockboxes, (cost 990,000 Dilithium for the keys, exchanging at 88:1) wanted a Jem?Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier. Didnt get it.

Did Get:

Liked:
Purple Doffs: 3,
Bio Warheads 3 (but only needed 1).

Neutral:
Lobi: 405 (now only need to gring another mil for the jemmy),
8 ship weapons (but none as good as my current Mk xi - on the exchange soon).

Didnt need:
19 doff packs: lots of whites and greens, only three blues in the lot of them (gave all to a L7 character).
7 patrol escorts,
7 purple ground weapons.

Worthless junk:
76 dilithium claims,
and some other stuff that went straight in the recycler.

Back in a couple of months (with another mil),

Not the best return for a million dilithium.

starkaos · February 2013

My method of lockboxes is open enough lockboxes to get enough lobi for the bind on pickup items that I want, then sell master keys to make enough energy credits to buy the rest off of the exchange. If I am lucky to get a lockbox ship, then great, but there is no point to open lockboxes until you get the ship.

kagurazaka77 · February 2013

I've opened like 10, something I tend to do when the new ones come out.

I got a JHHEC on the second one I opened.

Randomness is weird like that.

Also, I don't know why you call the claims 'worthless'. Those are 5000 DIL/day.

tsurutafan01 · February 2013

To be honest anyone that took a word of this as useful feedback when it came from a guy talking about his "return" on a million dilithium in the same post he admits he pitched the Dilithium Mining Claims isn't very bright. If you were remotely interested in return, that's probably the only thing you'd bother keeping. The rest of it is exchange fodder if all you're looking to do is grind up your in-game resources because you want to win at fake monies. And if you're looking to actually get the ship, you'd have kept those so you can convert that Dil into Zen into Keys.

Then again I suppose it shouldn't be surprising that the kind of people silly enough to pay what 100 keys cost are also the kind silly enough to pitch the reward that actually requires them to play the game, I suppose.

skyranger1414 · February 2013

neoakiraii wrote: »

We already know.....

We've figured out past drop rates, but nothing is forcing Cryptic to keep the same odds. For all we know they could be altering the drop rates from week to week or box to box. We really have no way of knowing besides someone doing this kind of thing.

neoakiraii · February 2013

skyranger1414 wrote: »

We've figured out past drop rates, but nothing is forcing Cryptic to keep the same odds. For all we know they could be altering the drop rates from week to week or box to box. We really have no way of knowing besides someone doing this kind of thing.

Vegas loves people like that.

maxvitor · February 2013

I wasted money on keys today, got nothing but doffs Lobis and "Mining Rights". My bad for spending money but I didn't feel like grinding to just throw it away. As much as I would like to get a Jem'Hadar Heavy, I'm not gonna throw away a pack of cash to do it. If Cryptic wants to sell me ships that I like, put them in the C-Store, I'll buy em, but I'm done gambling.

starfish1701 · February 2013

Thank you for taking the time to record your results and post them here.

Sorry to hear that you didn't get what you were looking for though.

duaths1 · February 2013

actually, i once got 100 LOBIs out of a box.. (was the Ferengi box)

i also opened like 30 of the new boxes and got 205 lobi out of it. one of these mirror universe carriers (1 million on the exchange) and 2 Very Rare DOFFs, some white DOFF packs and worthless vendor trash. also some mining claims but i hate mining so they are waiting in the bank till they make them sellable.

suppose got lucky

kagurazaka77 · February 2013

maxvitor wrote: »

If Cryptic wants to sell me ships that I like, put them in the C-Store, I'll buy em, but I'm done gambling.

Save up your ECs then. There are plenty on the exchange.

humblesheep · February 2013

tsurutafan01 wrote: »

To be honest anyone that took a word of this as useful feedback when it came from a guy talking about his "return" on a million dilithium in the same post he admits he pitched the Dilithium Mining Claims isn't very bright. If you were remotely interested in return, that's probably the only thing you'd bother keeping. The rest of it is exchange fodder if all you're looking to do is grind up your in-game resources because you want to win at fake monies. And if you're looking to actually get the ship, you'd have kept those so you can convert that Dil into Zen into Keys.

Then again I suppose it shouldn't be surprising that the kind of people silly enough to pay what 100 keys cost are also the kind silly enough to pitch the reward that actually requires them to play the game, I suppose.

I still have the 76 Dilithium Mining Claims, definitely not very bright about Dilithium Mining, tried it once and it was very boring, not sure I have the stomach for doing it another 76 times whatever the return is (someone can tell me if they like), I may give it a go.

Thanks to everyone else for the feedback, I did it because I wanted to know (and, of course, I would have liked the ship) and, lastly, I had nothing better to do with a million dil (I am not trolling, I just have everthing I actually need to enjoy playing the game).

cptrichardson12 · February 2013

humblesheep wrote: »

I still have the 76 Dilithium Mining Claims, definitely not very bright about Dilithium Mining, tried it once and it was very boring, not sure I have the stomach for doing it another 76 times whatever the return is (someone can tell me if they like), I may give it a go.

Thanks to everyone else for the feedback, I did it because I wanted to know (and, of course, I would have liked the ship) and, lastly, I had nothing better to do with a million dil (I am not trolling, I just have everthing I actually need to enjoy playing the game).

You can get 5000 dilith per claim if you're even remotely good at it.

Or, to put it plainer: You can recover up to 380000 of your costs with those.

humblesheep · February 2013

Thanks. I may do that.

cmdrskyfaller · February 2013

cptrichardson12 wrote: »

You can get 5000 dilith per claim if you're even remotely good at it.

Or, to put it plainer: You can recover up to 380000 of your costs with those.

On a timer. You cant mine repeatedly in a day.

Those 76 claims will take him 2 months and a week to consume.

dabelgrave · February 2013

My results: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Asc_VtvL64z4dEhDWno2T1Flc2pwX2cwWGdBZEVyVUE

dma1986 · February 2013

cptrichardson12 wrote: »

You can get 5000 dilith per claim if you're even remotely good at it.

Or, to put it plainer: You can recover up to 380000 of your costs with those.

You also get partical traces if you get a score of more than (I think) 775.

Combine with a blue-or-better Particle Trace astrometrics DOff, and each trip to Vlugta should see you coming away with 7-8 traces (worth between 15k and 90k EC each, depending what you get), 5,000 dil from the premium dil vein, and another 1,000 dil from the 5 normal veins.

mikefl · February 2013

The dilithium mining claims only require you to mine at one location for 60 seconds and you're done. It's the easiest 5k dil ever. As for lock boxes, I find from my experience that opening the boxes the day they come out seem to have better odds than later on after it has been out for awhile. I have gotten ships on the last two boxes the day they were released both in less than 10 tries. I don't like the boxes either but I wish I knew you were giving up 990k dil I could have used it on my starbase. I got the ship and sold it for 100 mil EC so I could buy other things I wanted/needed but would have loved the dil. I have been opening boxes for the mining claims just so I can save time on earning dil on my 15 toons.

corbinwolf · February 2013

Buying lock boxes for anything other than lobi seems to be keeping your hopes up way too high in my opinion. In saying that, I did manage to land a new dominion escort after just 36 tries... Sold it the same day too! The first and only time I have ever gotten such a special treat. I recently purchased the temporal destroyer... A much better ship than the Wells imo. Anyways, the point is, its a lottery, only in this case you can sell the majority of stuff on the exchange and make some of your Ec back.

ashtaku · February 2013

Jack, you're absolutely right that expecting specific rewards from the lockboxes is a recipe for disappointing. Like you, the only prize I count on is the Lobi and doff packs... if I get a rare prize on top of that I look at it as a bonus.

bugspatteredjack wrote: »

Buying lock boxes for anything other than lobi seems to be keeping your hopes up way too high in my opinion. In saying that, I did manage to land a new dominion escort after just 36 tries... Sold it the same day too! The first and only time I have ever gotten such a special treat. I recently purchased the temporal destroyer... A much better ship than the Wells imo. Anyways, the point is, its a lottery, only in this case you can sell the majority of stuff on the exchange and make some of your Ec back.

farmallm · February 2013

I never opened the boxes before. So I gave it a try to see what happens. Opened up 5 of them. I got a few lobi nothing of major amount. No mining claims which would help me since I do that mini game when I'm near DS9. I got 2 boxes of duty officers. Which I added to the roster. And I got a Universe Carrier for my KDF. I hadn't added the ship yet, but not sure what to do with it yet.

I keeping the boxes for now. Have plans on opening up 5 more later on. First I want a few items off the store other than keys.

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