Well "meh" certainly has more for the Devs to think on than just yelling at them, which has not worked at all for the KDF.
SO start any complaint with "meh" and a less howlering sort of reasons to why one is "meh" on a subject.
Basically I too am just feeling "meh" as well.
Never stop, never stop fighting till the fight is done. ~Elliot Ness
He may have just been a human but there is wisdom in those words.
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Guys, I hate to break it to you but this launcher issue has been ongoing since May 2012, it has something to do with Ip blocking. You might need to try a hotspot shield to get the launcher up then patch and login. After that once you are in it can be disabled. As forthe anniversary event avent missed one yet I guess it will end my 2 month hiatus from the game.
You people who complain...
Complaints about content, ships, free, ships, C-store prices and at the devs.
FREE!
Do you people (directed to those that whine and complain) that play this get alot of stuff that is worth alot, for free in your life?
This is a free game.
As such you choose to play the content that the devs make_available_for_you.
The problem here, no one is sitting and doing this game for free for You.
Everyone need to gets paid.
And as such, they also need content that are priced.
You choose if you want to buy that "stuff".
IF You choose to do so, keep in mind that you then are actively contributing to the game.
That will help the devs to create more "stuff" to the STO Universe.
You are ungrateful.
And you do not show any apreciation at all for this game.
Do you play it so you can behave like this?
Or do you play it because it is fun and that you like Star Trek?
If it is the latter, show some apreciation for what you are getting, for free.
If it is the first mentioned, perhaps you really need to re-think why you are here...
This game is not 'perfect', most of us who have played it for a while know this.
But tell me, because i certinly dont know any perfect MMO out t here, do you?
There are MMO's out there that perhaps get patched 1 time p month, or less, and get updated content once every 6 months, or more.
Every MMO has problems, MMO's are huge to keep in order and make to work.
So actualy, keeping in mind that this game is free, i think the devs are doing a more than great job!
All that lovely whining from you has just gone to waste...:)
If you're happy with the game, why not just play it and leave the forums alone if all the "whining" bothers you so much?
Your post is just as useful as any other "whine" thread;)
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
State of the game. That's simple. IN TROUBLE. S7 is a disaster, while some of the new items are nice the rep systems is TRIBBLE, the need for dilithium is up and thus as a good friend predicted zen price is down in exchange, THoilian Red Alert is buggy, Besides from the mirror ships (Note Mirror Carrier is awesome) KDF ignored, No Romulan playable side. Borg Crit is ridiculous. KDF doesn't get Zen discount for fleet ships if you have zen version of ship, AND you lost sunscribers due to S7 so defiantly not good. My suggestions are as follows.
1: Fix actual bugs in game rather than mess with what's currently working.
2: Get rid of Fed character requirement on KDF you will see more KDF players that way.
3: Make a playable Romulan side, you have the perfect enviroment for arich campaing for the Rommies. Heck you can add the choice on which Rommie faction to support, Tal Shiar or theNRommi Republic. And devs just think about it. Zen Scimitar, how many would want such a ship. And remeber the alpha quadrant is a trinity Fed, KDF, and Rommie. You need all 3 playable to really succeed. A friend of mine you love to fly the Romulan D'Deridex.
Actualy stating facts 'once' is not whining.
Stating something multiple times about same thing IS whining.
Does that work, really?
"Oh he is noob, he doesn't know anything, we dont listen to them"
I'm not sure what is more laughable, the whining or that kind of attitude.
New or not, what i said is based on facts.
Lol, I love how when a "defender" of the game whines, it's not whining, but when someone is not happy and posts about it, it is.
Granted some posts go other the top (done a few myself), however to say that people who don't like various aspects of the game and post why are whiners, well it joins the list of things the defenders always bring out in their posts.
1. It's free, so don't have any right to diss the game.
2. It's a small team.
3. You don't have to pay a penny to play.
4. At least the Devs talk to us.
5. All games have grind.
6. I'm sick of people whining.
What's worse about your particular "whine" is that it was ranty too;).
Check out the various definitions of whine. The one I like best is - To complain or protest in a childish fashion, but their are various ones and I think most people who post whine in some shape or fashion or have done.
I'm not sure what is more laughable, you rushing onto the forums to defend Cryptic or that you cannot see that your original post was a whine...;) See what I did there m8...
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
Lol, I love how when a "defender" of the game whines, it's not whining, but when someone is not happy and posts about it, it is.
Granted some posts go other the top (done a few myself), however to say that people who don't like various aspects of the game and post why are whiners, well it joins the list of things the defenders always bring out in their posts.
1. It's free, so don't have any right to diss the game.
2. It's a small team.
3. You don't have to pay a penny to play.
4. At least the Devs talk to us.
5. All games have grind.
6. I'm sick of people whining.
What's worse about your particular "whine" is that it was ranty too;).
Check out the various definitions of whine. The one I like best is - To complain or protest in a childish fashion, but their are various ones and I think most people who post whine in some shape or fashion or have done.
I'm not sure what is more laughable, you rushing onto the forums to defend Cryptic or that you cannot see that your original post was a whine...;) See what I did there m8...
Actualy i'm not your 'm8', i dont even know you so that is impossible.
1. Ofcourse you can diss the game as much as you want, and so far that has brought you what?
2. What team? Dev team?
3. You dont.
4 They do, they probably do that at other MMO's also.
5. Yup.
6. Nope, i'm not, just dont understand how ungrateful people can be, especially when something is for free.
Yes that is what "whine" usually means, nice of you that you needed to look it up.
I could have said that "you" i'm using that word losely here, are spoilt pampered brats and ungrateful ones on that.
What is laughable is that you take fact as a whine and then whine about it.
So, how much do you get for free in your life?
You computer?
House/Apartment?
Car?
MS Windows?
Food every day?
Well if "you" are a kid, the obvious answer is yes for most of the Q's there.
And if you do get something, your mom and dad has probably taught you how to say "thank you" for what you get...
And, you are a grown up, you should still remember it.
And no, i am not running in here and trying to protect Cryptic.
They dont need me for that, their system of use is alot better, they just ignore the whiners.
I like the game, i know it is not perfect (find an mmo that is), but i like it and i play it.
I also use the forums to read the news, tips and tricks and to get some helpful hints on game play.
You give courage to your convictions, i'll give you that, but you have now started to sound a bit "preachy".
Still no idea why you feel the need to post about people "whining". It seems to be effecting you in a big way, with all the long "not whiney" posts you are doing, but I sill don't see the harm it's doing if people are posting their dislike.
My response to you at first was about you "complaining" about people "complaining" and I just found it ironic.
You seem to be sticking to the fact that you are not whining, but every post you do, sounds like a whine and a rant, with a little bit of holier than thou chucked in on the side.
If your happy with the game, great. Come on and post how much you love it and how great Cryptic is, but remember, forum dwellers will come on and pick holes or disagree. The point is not tell do what you have done and call their posts whines.
Anyway, bed now. I will respond to your "not whine" response tomorrow.
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Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
You give courage to your convictions, i'll give you that, but you have now started to sound a bit "preachy".
Still no idea why you feel the need to post about people "whining". It seems to be effecting you in a big way, with all the long "not whiney" posts you are doing, but I sill don't see the harm it's doing if people are posting their dislike.
My response to you at first was about you "complaining" about people "complaining" and I just found it ironic.
You seem to be sticking to the fact that you are not whining, but every post you do, sounds like a whine and a rant, with a little bit of holier than thou chucked in on the side.
If your happy with the game, great. Come on and post how much you love it and how great Cryptic is, but remember, forum dwellers will come on and pick holes or disagree. The point is not tell do what you have done and call their posts whines.
Anyway, bed now. I will respond to your "not whine" response tomorrow.
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Preachy?
Not the least, i am just sure in my conviction that 'you' should not be ungrateful for things you get.
I was not complaining at all.
More or less i was trying to convince people that "whining" / "complaining" constantly wont help, and as this game is free to play, i see it as being ungrateful in comparison of what they already is getting.
It's like taking the kids with you shopping.
They see something they want, you say no, not this time, and they continue to want it, and as kids, they whine when they dont get what they want.
So in this, you would say that the parent is just as whiney as the kids?
And this is what i see in many of the posts.
People acting like children because they are not getting what they want.
"Fix that" Give us this" "if not i' wont play anymore" "Craptic" "You broke something again!"
And this, i dont know where you found this
Originally Posted by thowas View Post
/Rant not whine stuff.
More or less i was trying to convince people that "whining" / "complaining" constantly wont help, and as this game is free to play, i see it as being ungrateful in comparison of what they already is getting.
Not everyone is playing for free you know, and some of us sank a lot of money into the game from day one (and continue to do so). Where customers are concerned, being 'grateful' is a two way street.
That being said, the game is much, much better than a year or two ago.
Not everyone is playing for free you know, and some of us sank a lot of money into the game from day one (and continue to do so). Where customers are concerned, being 'grateful' is a two way street.
That being said, the game is much, much better than a year or two ago.
Lifetime?
Monthly?
If so, you buy the "extras" not the game itself.
I my self bought a gold edition of the game, i did that, fully knowing the game was free, but i got a t-shirt a map and some postcards, in-game i got the red-matter and some costumes.
Also, two months subscription.
Still, the game is free, and you pay for the extras you get when you subscribe to any of the packages.
If there were problems with the "extras" you get, you have cause for complaining.
It's good that people actually choose to contribute to the game, or it would have gotten stuck somewhere when it comes to updates and new content.
More or less i was trying to convince people that "whining" / "complaining" constantly wont help, and as this game is free to play, i see it as being ungrateful in comparison of what they already is getting.
As someone mentioned, you're assuming that it's only people who don't put any money in that complain/"Whine".
For all the people who are lifetime members and gold status, those who buy zen, the game is not free and I think you will find they "whine" and complain just as much.
And before you say lifers don't pay, they paid up front so it's not free for them.
Are you saying they don't have a right to complain or whine even if it isn't constructive?
They have a lot more right then most people do who don't put a penny into the game.
It's like taking the kids with you shopping.
They see something they want, you say no, not this time, and they continue to want it, and as kids, they whine when they dont get what they want.
So in this, you would say that the parent is just as whiney as the kids?
Not sure if you have been to the forums before you started posting, but not every complaint is a whine, so to liken people complaining to kids wanting everything, well I think you either extremely naive, or you have a very binary look at things in life.
And this is what i see in many of the posts.
People acting like children because they are not getting what they want.
"Fix that" Give us this" "if not i' wont play anymore" "Craptic" "You broke something again!"
And yet, as you say, the "facts" are this game does have many bugs, some from when the game started. Have you seen the bugs already with the new content? Have you seen the many posts talking about the lag and bugs? Should people just except it and be thankful.
Before season 7 started and the EP either blatantly lied, or mislead or was given wrong information about STFs, people took to the forums to complain about it when it actually went live, to the point that the EP had to backtrack and dil was added back in. Some of these people that complained, where defenders of the game who were not happy. Are you saying they shouldn't have, considering it was the weight of not only these forums, but forums all over that were slating STO and especially about all the Dil being taking away,that got Cryptic to change and re-add?
Look, were not going to agree.
You say you didn't complain or whine, yet I believe you did.
I believe everyone, including non payers, can whine and complain till there hearts content. You can either ignore the posts like a lot do, or you can post and put in how wrong they are and that from your point of view, they should be thankful for what they get, but expect people like myself to challenge your opinion...
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
I have to ask, what is it now you are hoping to achieve with your posts and responding to mine?
I thought you were not here to defend Cryptic, but your posts sound like it's exactly what you are doing and you certainly don't need to defend yourself to the likes of me:)
You said your original piece and now you are spending time trying to defend it.
You do know that your posts as well as mine are contributing 0 to STO?
As to why I post here and why I respond, well I have been here since before day 1 and I have my reasons.
If you can be bothered, look up my posts and you will see a general theme, however I wouldn't bother.
You on the other hand, a new poster, well I do have to ask as I mentioned above, why are you still responding?
Unless, as I suspect, you are enjoying the sparing;) Trust me, these forums have always been better than STO.
Go enjoy the game.:)
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
I like new posters, who don't hold back and say what they think...
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
I think he/she was making a point of staying uninvolved in the dispute.
Not posting is being uninvolved. Doing anything including......, means you are involved.
I would think something has been said in this thread that has made he/she make their first post, would be more than just.....
Sorry if my sardonic wit, passed you by...:)
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
Yes you were. You were complaining about people complaining.
As someone mentioned, you're assuming that it's only people who don't put any money in that complain/"Whine".
For all the people who are lifetime members and gold status, those who buy zen, the game is not free and I think you will find they "whine" and complain just as much.
And before you say lifers don't pay, they paid up front so it's not free for them.
Are you saying they don't have a right to complain or whine even if it isn't constructive?
They have a lot more right then most people do who don't put a penny into the game.
Not sure if you have been to the forums before you started posting, but not every complaint is a whine, so to liken people complaining to kids wanting everything, well I think you either extremely naive, or you have a very binary look at things in life.
And yet, as you say, the "facts" are this game does have many bugs, some from when the game started. Have you seen the bugs already with the new content? Have you seen the many posts talking about the lag and bugs? Should people just except it and be thankful.
Before season 7 started and the EP either blatantly lied, or mislead or was given wrong information about STFs, people took to the forums to complain about it when it actually went live, to the point that the EP had to backtrack and dil was added back in. Some of these people that complained, where defenders of the game who were not happy. Are you saying they shouldn't have, considering it was the weight of not only these forums, but forums all over that were slating STO and especially about all the Dil being taking away,that got Cryptic to change and re-add?
Look, were not going to agree.
You say you didn't complain or whine, yet I believe you did.
I believe everyone, including non payers, can whine and complain till there hearts content. You can either ignore the posts like a lot do, or you can post and put in how wrong they are and that from your point of view, they should be thankful for what they get, but expect people like myself to challenge your opinion...
Well, the thing is, if you buy Zen, lifetime, subscription that is an extra you are buying.
That is something they have so they will be able to keep on developing this game and furthering the content.
It's like you order a burger with fries, but you order one extra fries with it, the one you took extra was not to your liking, can you still complain about the burger, or vice versa?
Never said anyting about 'lifers' untill you brought it up now.
Same deal there, they paid to get the extras, not the game.
Everyone has a 'right' to report if there are problems in the game, no question about it.
That's what the ticket system is for, usualy...
And i've been to the forums many times, as i said in a earlier post...
And i come back to what i wrote earlier...
"And this is what i see in many of the posts.
People acting like children because they are not getting what they want.
"Fix that" Give us this" "if not i' wont play anymore" "Craptic" "You broke something again!""
If there is something wrong with the game play the devs will fix it, sooner or later.
Most things are probably one schedule, some things must be scheduled with other things to fix at the same time, or the fix may cause even more problems in it self than the problem was from the begining.
So a small problem may not be fixed without altering bigger systems to accomodate it.
These systems aren't small home pc's.
And generally not as easy to fix either.
Well what do i achieve from responding to your posts?
Not much really.
And ofcourse i take the time to respond / defend my ideas if they are questioned, wouldn't you?
And still, what's this about "new poster" act?
You think silly attempts like that will make me back off from what i've said?
That my reasons for making the the initial post would be wrong because i am a new poster?
Neither am i a coward that slithers away at futile attempts at bellitling.
Nor do i use it my self to make a point, or to put my self in a higher position in a discussion.
So, the only reason that i reply to your posts or any one else who desputes it, is to defend my conviction over what is right or wrong.
And all in all, be thankful for what is given to you.
Well, the thing is, if you buy Zen, lifetime, subscription that is an extra you are buying.
That is something they have so they will be able to keep on developing this game and furthering the content.
It's like you order a burger with fries, but you order one extra fries with it, the one you took extra was not to your liking, can you still complain about the burger, or vice versa?
Never said anyting about 'lifers' untill you brought it up now.
Same deal there, they paid to get the extras, not the game.
Everyone has a 'right' to report if there are problems in the game, no question about it.
That's what the ticket system is for, usualy...
And i've been to the forums many times, as i said in a earlier post...
And i come back to what i wrote earlier...
"And this is what i see in many of the posts.
People acting like children because they are not getting what they want.
"Fix that" Give us this" "if not i' wont play anymore" "Craptic" "You broke something again!""
If there is something wrong with the game play the devs will fix it, sooner or later.
Most things are probably one schedule, some things must be scheduled with other things to fix at the same time, or the fix may cause even more problems in it self than the problem was from the begining.
So a small problem may not be fixed without altering bigger systems to accomodate it.
These systems aren't small home pc's.
And generally not as easy to fix either.
Well what do i achieve from responding to your posts?
Not much really.
And ofcourse i take the time to respond / defend my ideas if they are questioned, wouldn't you?
And still, what's this about "new poster" act?
You think silly attempts like that will make me back off from what i've said?
That my reasons for making the the initial post would be wrong because i am a new poster?
Neither am i a coward that slithers away at futile attempts at bellitling.
Nor do i use it my self to make a point, or to put my self in a higher position in a discussion.
So, the only reason that i reply to your posts or any one else who desputes it, is to defend my conviction over what is right or wrong.
And all in all, be thankful for what is given to you.
Phew...
You know what, I can deal with many people on these forums, but the one kind I don't like are the fanatics.
When someone keeps on repeating "be thankful for what is given to you", my alarm bells start ringing.:eek:
To that I say good day to you...:)
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
Ok now I thought this was to be fixed today, I have tried to log in 28 times and the launcher will not launch!!!!!!!! What gives now!! I could get on STO before all this so called "fixing" now i can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok now I thought this was to be fixed today, I have tried to log in 28 times and the launcher will not launch!!!!!!!! What gives now!! I could get on STO before all this so called "fixing" now i can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shhhh. You're suppose to be thankful for what you have been given.
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
now I have tried to launch the game 62 times...now 63. This needs to be fixed...the right way not just for the free-to-play players, but also for those of us who are life time members thats been here gaming since the 1st year....
I got up early this morning excited at the prospects of the 3rd Anniversary and the nice new ships. Got to do both events with one charcaracter and was getting ready to go with the second but an enexpected server maintenance came up this morning. tried comming back this afternoon but lag slowed me down considerably. Nearly completed the Temporal Ambassador mission when the emergency shutdown hit.
I tried to get to Tribble's Drozana for the Q & A, but the character i had was deleted, had to make another, and the tutorial option to skip it was nowhere to be found.
I am now feeling tired and broken, and have similar sentiments about the game.
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U.S.S. AKAGI NX-93347, Enterprise-class Battle Cruiser =A= U.S.S. T'KORA'S WRATH NX-110047, Odyssey-class Battle Cruiser "There Ain't No Grave, Can Hold My Body Down..." PS - I fully support a T6 Nova, fixing the Nova skins. I am also rooting for a T6 Science Cruiser, that can use Nova/Rhode Island skins. T6 Nova/Rhode Island, T6 Oberth & T6 Constellation are needed. Also needed a T6 Science Cruiser, that can wear any Science or Cruiser skin.
Well, its seems that 66 times did it I am in game!!!!!!
10 out of 10 for perseverance.
I tried logging into STO back when it first went F2P. Problem was it let me in straight away:eek:
Oh how I wish it hadn't;)
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
now I have tried to launch the game 62 times...now 63. This needs to be fixed...the right way not just for the free-to-play players, but also for those of us who are life time members thats been here gaming since the 1st year....
I got up early this morning excited at the prospects of the 3rd Anniversary and the nice new ships. Got to do both events with one charcaracter and was getting ready to go with the second but an enexpected server maintenance came up this morning. tried comming back this afternoon but lag slowed me down considerably. Nearly completed the Temporal Ambassador mission when the emergency shutdown hit.
I tried to get to Tribble's Drozana for the Q & A, but the character i had was deleted, had to make another, and the tutorial option to skip it was nowhere to be found.
I am now feeling tired and broken, and have similar sentiments about the game.
See thowas, people who still obviously enjoy the game are not happy. What's wrong with them coming here and posting their discontent?
Were they rude? Nope. Did they insult? Nope. Were they "whining"? It didn't sound ike it to me.
Should these be "thankful for what they have got"?
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
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Never stop, never stop fighting till the fight is done. ~Elliot Ness
He may have just been a human but there is wisdom in those words.
Al Rivera hates Klingons
Star Trek Online: Agents of Jack Emmert
All cloaks should be canon.
You people who complain...
Complaints about content, ships, free, ships, C-store prices and at the devs.
FREE!
Do you people (directed to those that whine and complain) that play this get alot of stuff that is worth alot, for free in your life?
This is a free game.
As such you choose to play the content that the devs make_available_for_you.
The problem here, no one is sitting and doing this game for free for You.
Everyone need to gets paid.
And as such, they also need content that are priced.
You choose if you want to buy that "stuff".
IF You choose to do so, keep in mind that you then are actively contributing to the game.
That will help the devs to create more "stuff" to the STO Universe.
You are ungrateful.
And you do not show any apreciation at all for this game.
Do you play it so you can behave like this?
Or do you play it because it is fun and that you like Star Trek?
If it is the latter, show some apreciation for what you are getting, for free.
If it is the first mentioned, perhaps you really need to re-think why you are here...
This game is not 'perfect', most of us who have played it for a while know this.
But tell me, because i certinly dont know any perfect MMO out t here, do you?
There are MMO's out there that perhaps get patched 1 time p month, or less, and get updated content once every 6 months, or more.
Every MMO has problems, MMO's are huge to keep in order and make to work.
So actualy, keeping in mind that this game is free, i think the devs are doing a more than great job!
Stopped right there as the irony was too much.
New to the forums I see.
All that lovely whining from you has just gone to waste...:)
If you're happy with the game, why not just play it and leave the forums alone if all the "whining" bothers you so much?
Your post is just as useful as any other "whine" thread;)
1: Fix actual bugs in game rather than mess with what's currently working.
2: Get rid of Fed character requirement on KDF you will see more KDF players that way.
3: Make a playable Romulan side, you have the perfect enviroment for arich campaing for the Rommies. Heck you can add the choice on which Rommie faction to support, Tal Shiar or theNRommi Republic. And devs just think about it. Zen Scimitar, how many would want such a ship. And remeber the alpha quadrant is a trinity Fed, KDF, and Rommie. You need all 3 playable to really succeed. A friend of mine you love to fly the Romulan D'Deridex.
Actualy stating facts 'once' is not whining.
Stating something multiple times about same thing IS whining.
Does that work, really?
"Oh he is noob, he doesn't know anything, we dont listen to them"
I'm not sure what is more laughable, the whining or that kind of attitude.
New or not, what i said is based on facts.
Lol, I love how when a "defender" of the game whines, it's not whining, but when someone is not happy and posts about it, it is.
Granted some posts go other the top (done a few myself), however to say that people who don't like various aspects of the game and post why are whiners, well it joins the list of things the defenders always bring out in their posts.
1. It's free, so don't have any right to diss the game.
2. It's a small team.
3. You don't have to pay a penny to play.
4. At least the Devs talk to us.
5. All games have grind.
6. I'm sick of people whining.
What's worse about your particular "whine" is that it was ranty too;).
Check out the various definitions of whine. The one I like best is - To complain or protest in a childish fashion, but their are various ones and I think most people who post whine in some shape or fashion or have done.
I'm not sure what is more laughable, you rushing onto the forums to defend Cryptic or that you cannot see that your original post was a whine...;) See what I did there m8...
Actualy i'm not your 'm8', i dont even know you so that is impossible.
1. Ofcourse you can diss the game as much as you want, and so far that has brought you what?
2. What team? Dev team?
3. You dont.
4 They do, they probably do that at other MMO's also.
5. Yup.
6. Nope, i'm not, just dont understand how ungrateful people can be, especially when something is for free.
Yes that is what "whine" usually means, nice of you that you needed to look it up.
I could have said that "you" i'm using that word losely here, are spoilt pampered brats and ungrateful ones on that.
What is laughable is that you take fact as a whine and then whine about it.
So, how much do you get for free in your life?
You computer?
House/Apartment?
Car?
MS Windows?
Food every day?
Well if "you" are a kid, the obvious answer is yes for most of the Q's there.
And if you do get something, your mom and dad has probably taught you how to say "thank you" for what you get...
And, you are a grown up, you should still remember it.
And no, i am not running in here and trying to protect Cryptic.
They dont need me for that, their system of use is alot better, they just ignore the whiners.
I like the game, i know it is not perfect (find an mmo that is), but i like it and i play it.
I also use the forums to read the news, tips and tricks and to get some helpful hints on game play.
I like you m8:)
You give courage to your convictions, i'll give you that, but you have now started to sound a bit "preachy".
Still no idea why you feel the need to post about people "whining". It seems to be effecting you in a big way, with all the long "not whiney" posts you are doing, but I sill don't see the harm it's doing if people are posting their dislike.
My response to you at first was about you "complaining" about people "complaining" and I just found it ironic.
You seem to be sticking to the fact that you are not whining, but every post you do, sounds like a whine and a rant, with a little bit of holier than thou chucked in on the side.
If your happy with the game, great. Come on and post how much you love it and how great Cryptic is, but remember, forum dwellers will come on and pick holes or disagree. The point is not tell do what you have done and call their posts whines.
Anyway, bed now. I will respond to your "not whine" response tomorrow.
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Preachy?
Not the least, i am just sure in my conviction that 'you' should not be ungrateful for things you get.
I was not complaining at all.
More or less i was trying to convince people that "whining" / "complaining" constantly wont help, and as this game is free to play, i see it as being ungrateful in comparison of what they already is getting.
It's like taking the kids with you shopping.
They see something they want, you say no, not this time, and they continue to want it, and as kids, they whine when they dont get what they want.
So in this, you would say that the parent is just as whiney as the kids?
And this is what i see in many of the posts.
People acting like children because they are not getting what they want.
"Fix that" Give us this" "if not i' wont play anymore" "Craptic" "You broke something again!"
And this, i dont know where you found this
Originally Posted by thowas View Post
/Rant not whine stuff.
Not everyone is playing for free you know, and some of us sank a lot of money into the game from day one (and continue to do so). Where customers are concerned, being 'grateful' is a two way street.
That being said, the game is much, much better than a year or two ago.
Lifetime?
Monthly?
If so, you buy the "extras" not the game itself.
I my self bought a gold edition of the game, i did that, fully knowing the game was free, but i got a t-shirt a map and some postcards, in-game i got the red-matter and some costumes.
Also, two months subscription.
Still, the game is free, and you pay for the extras you get when you subscribe to any of the packages.
If there were problems with the "extras" you get, you have cause for complaining.
It's good that people actually choose to contribute to the game, or it would have gotten stuck somewhere when it comes to updates and new content.
:-)
Yes you were. You were complaining about people complaining.
As someone mentioned, you're assuming that it's only people who don't put any money in that complain/"Whine".
For all the people who are lifetime members and gold status, those who buy zen, the game is not free and I think you will find they "whine" and complain just as much.
And before you say lifers don't pay, they paid up front so it's not free for them.
Are you saying they don't have a right to complain or whine even if it isn't constructive?
They have a lot more right then most people do who don't put a penny into the game.
Not sure if you have been to the forums before you started posting, but not every complaint is a whine, so to liken people complaining to kids wanting everything, well I think you either extremely naive, or you have a very binary look at things in life.
And yet, as you say, the "facts" are this game does have many bugs, some from when the game started. Have you seen the bugs already with the new content? Have you seen the many posts talking about the lag and bugs? Should people just except it and be thankful.
Before season 7 started and the EP either blatantly lied, or mislead or was given wrong information about STFs, people took to the forums to complain about it when it actually went live, to the point that the EP had to backtrack and dil was added back in. Some of these people that complained, where defenders of the game who were not happy. Are you saying they shouldn't have, considering it was the weight of not only these forums, but forums all over that were slating STO and especially about all the Dil being taking away,that got Cryptic to change and re-add?
Look, were not going to agree.
You say you didn't complain or whine, yet I believe you did.
I believe everyone, including non payers, can whine and complain till there hearts content. You can either ignore the posts like a lot do, or you can post and put in how wrong they are and that from your point of view, they should be thankful for what they get, but expect people like myself to challenge your opinion...
I have to ask, what is it now you are hoping to achieve with your posts and responding to mine?
I thought you were not here to defend Cryptic, but your posts sound like it's exactly what you are doing and you certainly don't need to defend yourself to the likes of me:)
You said your original piece and now you are spending time trying to defend it.
You do know that your posts as well as mine are contributing 0 to STO?
As to why I post here and why I respond, well I have been here since before day 1 and I have my reasons.
If you can be bothered, look up my posts and you will see a general theme, however I wouldn't bother.
You on the other hand, a new poster, well I do have to ask as I mentioned above, why are you still responding?
Unless, as I suspect, you are enjoying the sparing;) Trust me, these forums have always been better than STO.
Go enjoy the game.:)
Welcome to the forums. Nice thoughtful post.
I like new posters, who don't hold back and say what they think...
I think he/she was making a point of staying uninvolved in the dispute.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Not posting is being uninvolved. Doing anything including......, means you are involved.
I would think something has been said in this thread that has made he/she make their first post, would be more than just.....
Sorry if my sardonic wit, passed you by...:)
Well, the thing is, if you buy Zen, lifetime, subscription that is an extra you are buying.
That is something they have so they will be able to keep on developing this game and furthering the content.
It's like you order a burger with fries, but you order one extra fries with it, the one you took extra was not to your liking, can you still complain about the burger, or vice versa?
Never said anyting about 'lifers' untill you brought it up now.
Same deal there, they paid to get the extras, not the game.
Everyone has a 'right' to report if there are problems in the game, no question about it.
That's what the ticket system is for, usualy...
And i've been to the forums many times, as i said in a earlier post...
And i come back to what i wrote earlier...
"And this is what i see in many of the posts.
People acting like children because they are not getting what they want.
"Fix that" Give us this" "if not i' wont play anymore" "Craptic" "You broke something again!""
If there is something wrong with the game play the devs will fix it, sooner or later.
Most things are probably one schedule, some things must be scheduled with other things to fix at the same time, or the fix may cause even more problems in it self than the problem was from the begining.
So a small problem may not be fixed without altering bigger systems to accomodate it.
These systems aren't small home pc's.
And generally not as easy to fix either.
Well what do i achieve from responding to your posts?
Not much really.
And ofcourse i take the time to respond / defend my ideas if they are questioned, wouldn't you?
And still, what's this about "new poster" act?
You think silly attempts like that will make me back off from what i've said?
That my reasons for making the the initial post would be wrong because i am a new poster?
Neither am i a coward that slithers away at futile attempts at bellitling.
Nor do i use it my self to make a point, or to put my self in a higher position in a discussion.
So, the only reason that i reply to your posts or any one else who desputes it, is to defend my conviction over what is right or wrong.
And all in all, be thankful for what is given to you.
Phew...
You know what, I can deal with many people on these forums, but the one kind I don't like are the fanatics.
When someone keeps on repeating "be thankful for what is given to you", my alarm bells start ringing.:eek:
To that I say good day to you...:)
Shhhh. You're suppose to be thankful for what you have been given.
I tried to get to Tribble's Drozana for the Q & A, but the character i had was deleted, had to make another, and the tutorial option to skip it was nowhere to be found.
I am now feeling tired and broken, and have similar sentiments about the game.
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"There Ain't No Grave, Can Hold My Body Down..."
PS - I fully support a T6 Nova, fixing the Nova skins. I am also rooting for a T6 Science Cruiser, that can use Nova/Rhode Island skins.
T6 Nova/Rhode Island, T6 Oberth & T6 Constellation are needed. Also needed a T6 Science Cruiser, that can wear any Science or Cruiser skin.
10 out of 10 for perseverance.
I tried logging into STO back when it first went F2P. Problem was it let me in straight away:eek:
Oh how I wish it hadn't;)
See thowas, people who still obviously enjoy the game are not happy. What's wrong with them coming here and posting their discontent?
Were they rude? Nope. Did they insult? Nope. Were they "whining"? It didn't sound ike it to me.
Should these be "thankful for what they have got"?