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catstarsto
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Here is a guide I made as a model for others, to assist in getting the most out of your fleet and helping to make it successful.
http://www.catstarsto.com/fleet-structure-guide <-- click this link to access it.
http://www.catstarsto.com/fleet-structure-guide <-- click this link to access it.
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Anywho ...
The settings you have probably (very likely) work well for your fleet, but I don't think my fleeties would stick around for more than 5-10 mins in my fleet... It's just not our mentality.
We just a few days got rid of the "progression" entirely, having fleet ranks removed alltogether, and replaced by indications of what the members do best in the fleet.
The reason is that we lost far too many good members, because of their obsessions with quick "progression" in ranks... Reasons that are uncertain for me.
As a template not etched in stone it's not a bad idea!
/derail ON - Btw, I love your website CatStar ... it lightens my mood some days
MVP's arent the guys on the bench. Any successsful ball team, has a group who aspire to improve themselves as a whole, even Michael Jordan with all his skills, needed his team to coordinate a win.
The fleet idea may seem like im promoting mass grinding, but its just more orderly and gives a branch thier goal. When they give is up to them. Ive taken some flake for this idea in the past because not everyone wants to have responsibility, but im honored to meet and recruit players who ask what they can do for thier fleet, rather then what thier fleet can do for them.
(sigh) Every person who ever made a fleet has tried to get everyone to wear a fleet uniform....every person who has asked this has also lost much hair over this too. lol
For those unfamiliar with this, the purpose, or at least for my motives when I asked, was to have everyone look alike to have a unique look for our fleet like a ball team would. Nothing is more satifying to a fleet owner then having people who are proud to bear the fleet patch and uniform. It makes an impression, shows brotherhood in a guild.
But dont feel bad fleet owners...everyone has heard, "can I wear this instead" " What I have on is good for me" "can I wear a skirt instead" ....cant help but laugh about this as I type!! XD
Most try to make something ugly so i can understand in somecases, but I think the best idea is the free one...the First Contact/Star Trek theme. This is what mine was at first, I have always promoted bringing back more of a Star Trek theme again. But the best Uniform I ever seen was The Silver Knights, they no longer excist, but it was cool! A friend of mine owned that one.
We still consider ourselves to be quite successful, particularly as fleet projects still get filled rather quickly without the admins slave-driving anyone.
But in the spirit of things, when all of us were on the ice fighting snowmen, there was suddenly a sea of gold and green.
I guess its not about enforcing the uniform but giving people the chance and the feels to wear it.
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Hi sumghai, im glad your fleet goes well. Please take note, that these are my opinions on the matter and dont reflect my current fleets policies! About the slave driving comment, may I say "ouch" You seem to take offense at everything I post, im not really sure why im such an interest to you.
But there are fleets and players that do enjoy taking adventage of the many things that the game offers, I hope the idea I submitted can help give players an idea as to the direction they wish to go, or maybe even help them stablise a fleet that is not doing so well. -Cat
Im glad my fleet isnt flat and boring, when I login its time to play. I like a lively fleet that is happy to see you when you come, and is always doing something. This makes my session worth it. I like partys and prizes and contests and flair (fun fun fun) I also like to feel important and needed for my skills in my fleet, I excell in earning, I even went so far as to get everything Ferengi, but not my character that race is just too ugly yuk!! Which brings me to uniforms, I like to stand out in a crowd so I dress my toon unique. But I agree it is an eye catcher to see a fleet that dresses the same.
One last thing, anyone who knows Meowstar, knows that he is not a slave driver, rather the oposite, ive seen him always take care everyone in his fleet, making sure they have anyting they need, especialy people leveling and new to the game. Just to guarantee they have the best of everything, for no other reason then loyalty to his own. I love it when hes here, he brings an aura of charm and nobility. Anyone who would pick on him, is low in my book!!
So speaks Luna, the beautiful! hehe
"Where monsters rampage, I'm there to take them down! Where treasure glitters, I'm there to claim it! Where an enemy rises to face me, victory will be mine!" -Lina Inverse
Rank 1: Asset
No Requirements.
Rank 2: Agent
1 week in Fleet, and Lieutenant Commander rank (level 10+).
Rank 3: Special Agent
2 weeks in Fleet, Commander rank (level 20+), and 10000 Fleet Holding Contribution.
Rank 4: Intelligence Officer
3 weeks in Fleet, Captain rank (level 30+), and 50000 Fleet Holding Contribution.
Rank 5: Senior Intelligence Officer
4 weeks in Fleet, Rear Admiral rank (level 40+), and 100000 Fleet Holding Contribution.
Rank 6: Division Head
Must meet all Rank 5 requirements and be deemed Fleet XO Material.
Rank 7: Deputy Chief of Star Fleet Intelligence
Top 3 characters of last remaining fleet founder and leader (me).
and others too numerous to name...
Opinions should not be marketed as a guide, especially as different fleets with different focal points would have different structures.
No, you may not say ouch.
;P
Boilerplate response is boilerplate.
The best thing for any fleet is for them to figure out what works for them themselves, rather than attempting to prescribe an opinion in the guise of an "expert guide".
Boring to you, freedom and flexibility to me and other casuals.
"In [your] book."
One post, I see, with similar name and cat-related puns? How's that sockpuppeting working out for you?
Sounds nice, especially having rank titles follow the theme of espionage and intelligence.
Thanks for the support Luna, a bit over the top as usual lol. Just dont bother responding to the trolls, lets stay on the topic of fleet ideas.
Since I know both Cat and Luna there's no Sockpuppettry going on.
-Plasma, Vice Admiral, Starfleet
-I.D.I.C- UFP Fleet Admiral, -I.D.I.C- Founder
Veena, Lieutenant General, Klingon Defence Force
-I.D.I.C- KDF Fleet General
I had a legitimate opinion that one should not package an opinion on fleet structures as a guide - it's rather rich to brand someone you don't disagree with as a "troll".
Most recent join date + very low post count + starting post heaping praise on Cat.
How do you know they are two different people from all the way over the internet?
I post mostely in our fleets forums, the only interest I have in this one is to stand up for Catstar. I knew what your reaction would be, you take things out of context and try to make someone your threatened by look bad, jealousy can make make people like you crazy as you can see all of your snap comments arent to add to his discussion, but rather to put him down. Only I get to pick on my brother!! So by posting a bunch of good things about him, I tricked you into showing your real motive. Trolling as meowstar put so well. As for the names, much of the funny cat names he uses where my idea to begin with, and if I want to add an STO to my name as well, whats it to you?! So just back off and quick causing trouble!!!
"Where monsters rampage, I'm there to take them down! Where treasure glitters, I'm there to claim it! Where an enemy rises to face me, victory will be mine!" -Lina Inverse
In any case, my point still stands - an opinion should not be disguised as an actual guide to how fleets should be run.
This is why I asked everyone to stay on topic and not respond to him. Lets try this again. Above is a submission by Eric. I would welcome more ideas from people willing to share ideas that made thier fleet successful, or contructive comments concerning things that would be helpful. Once again here is also a link to the idea I submitted. http://catstarsto.com/fleet-structure-guide
It's clear you only acknowledge fleet that have fixed structures or plenty of activities, when there are also many successful fleets with a more casual attitude or simply made up of friends. Again, disguising your "guide" as an opinion piece doesn't make your argument any more valid than mine.
If anything, the only hard and fast recommendations for any fleet are:
- Have as few admins as possible
- Limit bank / fleet provisions permissions
- Don't promote members too quickly
Now THAT's a guide.
Firstly, I have nothing to do with the running of my fleet.
Secondly, I am not against structured fleets per se, as some (themed) guilds do need a certain amount of structure.
Thirdly, I am not against people posting their opinions on fleet structures.
What I AM against is the situation where someone such as yourself markets their opinions as a "guide", implies that it is the primary method to a successful fleet, and then dismiss dissenting opinions.
I am ALSO against those who use sockpuppets or recruit members from their private fleet forums with the specific goal of artificially providing support to their own posts.
To answer you, if you dont run a fleet nor have no need for anyone elses ideas different then yours, why did you complain to begin with? Not everyone wants to be layed back, they may wanna have more options, sharing ideas is the purpose of this thread, if I had meant for mine to be a master system, I wouldnt have asked for others ideas to compair with so others can see others ideas and get an idea for themselves of what they wanted to do with thier fleets. I think your real problem is, you need to hide inner emotional problems by putting others down, and I would be asking you for a public apology, for myself, sister and friends you have insulted. Once you learn to start treating people nice, you will begin to feel better about yourself and soon you wont have a need to troll people. You may even have friends who will post along with you in support.
You claim your "guide" is a template, and yet also call it an opinion. But more importantly, you present your opinion as the "only" successful method compared to those who prefer casual fleets.
Making personal attacks on my mental state or fabricating stories of my "emotional problems" does nothing to justify your argument. In fact, it may very well detract from it.
An apology? You have the nerve to threaten and extort me with such a demand. I should be the one requesting YOU to apologise, stop sockpuppeting and cease baiting people to read your personal website (instead of putting it in the signature section like everyone else).
I'm not the least bit concerned about "support" on my side. This isn't a popularity contest, but whose points make more sense.
For the record these people are not the same, they are indeed brother ans sister, I've voice chatted and teamed with them at the same time, unless this is some super-dextrous person that can change his voice from female to male and play two STO toons at the same time, its not the same person. I was only giving you the truth and letting you know your assumption was wrong.
I didn't say a thing about you personally, what is the difference how many posts I have or my date of registration?
How do you measure whose opinion of STO is more valid, I have 9 VA's and am a 750+ day veteran, I have Ambassador and have full Omega/Rom Rep on my mains, I lead both Fed and KDF fleets that have been going strong for almost 2 years, both with near Tier 4 Starbases and T2 Embassies, does that mean my observations are more valid than anothers?
Or do I have to roam these forums putting people down, being "first' to post or commenting on random threads to get 1000 posts before my opinion is worthwhile!
-Plasma, Vice Admiral, Starfleet
-I.D.I.C- UFP Fleet Admiral, -I.D.I.C- Founder
Veena, Lieutenant General, Klingon Defence Force
-I.D.I.C- KDF Fleet General
Fancy seeing ANOTHER IDIC admin.
Unless you've met them in real life, anybody can claim to be who they are on the internet. Depending on his real age, you'd be surprised how similar males and "females" sound over voice chat.
Post count by itself isn't a terribly useful measure of sockpuppetting - it needs to be considered in conjunction with other telltale signs such as unreserved support of the OP, incorrect references to names, and targeted posting - all of which were present here.
In terms who should be regarded as a credible source of opinion, consider the argument itself, not the poster's game ranking or whether they're a paying customer. Catstar could have quietly and respectfully (like everyone else) put his website in his signature line, and let others discover it at their own please (instead of using repeated "clever" posts to bait people) - but more importantly, "he" could have posted his guide in full text in the Star Trek Online Discussions section as simply sharing how "his" fleet is structured rather than imposing "his" opinions as better than others and denigrating solo or casual fleet players.
Instead, he has done neither, and that's what I take issue with. And I speak from experience administering many forums, where this sort of insidious self-promotion is frowned upon.
Now that I've sufficiently derailed this thread, to sum up:
A) The basics for the running of any good fleet is to limit the number of staff, don't promote members too quickly out of misguided trust, and tighten fleet bank/provision restrictions so you don't get robbed.
C) Catstar's so-called "sister" claimed that casual fleets were boring and lame. I simply said structured fleets may not work for everybody.
D) In conjunction with point C), all of this drama could potentially be avoided by prefixing the thread title with [OPINION] and posting the FULL text in the Star Trek Online Discussions.
Capiche?
The only thing you proved here is your a prick! :mad:
"Where monsters rampage, I'm there to take them down! Where treasure glitters, I'm there to claim it! Where an enemy rises to face me, victory will be mine!" -Lina Inverse
Furthermore, having lost the argument and claimed to have abandoned the thread, you return under another guise to make death threats.
Catstar and plasma, just because everyone in your fleet had been conditioned to agree with you, doesn't make what you say any more valid than anyone elses.
I neither feel fear or anger, merely pity.
"Where monsters rampage, I'm there to take them down! Where treasure glitters, I'm there to claim it! Where an enemy rises to face me, victory will be mine!" -Lina Inverse
Somebody points out you are in the wrong, and instead of countering the point of the argument itself, you make death threats against them.
In any case, you (Catstar) have been figuring out how to put links in sigs, instead of inappropriate promoting, so that's fine by me.