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The Vet Destroyers only have 9 Consoles?
avarseir
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I just realised this but that kinda suck for a 1000-day ship. It should at least have 10 consoles to put it on par with the fleet ships/lockbox ships.
Chimera: 3 Eng, 2 Sci, 4 Tac = 9?!
Peg'Hu: I didn't bother to log onto my klink to check but I'm guessing its the same.
Proposal: Can we have another console added? Preferably TAC, but either ENG/SCI would be fine.
Chimera: 3 Eng, 2 Sci, 4 Tac = 9?!
Peg'Hu: I didn't bother to log onto my klink to check but I'm guessing its the same.
Proposal: Can we have another console added? Preferably TAC, but either ENG/SCI would be fine.
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Also its far more flexible in its BOFF arrangement than most T5+ ships, right up there with Vesta and Bugship.
I have a brilliant idea. lets decrease the number of consoles of klink ships with cloaks, as they could take up a console slot. I think that would be a popular balance
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
KDF has much more primitive replicators, lesser luxuries and (in many cases) no holodeck to compensate for that already.
I'll admit that this has no in-game bearing, but it is the case.
He's dead, Jim.
lets also nerf the replicator functions on the klingon side at the inventory panel!!! we are on a roll here, keep it coming
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
Costumes... KDF have way too many costume options. We should nerf those too, while we're at it :P
Remember a good klink faction will attract more players to the game, which in turn allow the game to flourish even more.
Now go back to discussing the chimera, that's an order ensign!
They're not old ships, they're new ships for veterans.
I don't think you guys realized this but this post is kinda funny.
The Chimera is not a side gift in this game it's supposed to be THE GIFT, the best thing happening to both sides is the vet ship.
I think I read earlier someone said it was a old ship because it's a VETERAN REWARD and shouldn't be as good as the newer ships. I was like omg... really?
THIS SHIP IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE PINNACLE OF SHIPS it should always be the best, no matter what so they need to constantly upgrade this ship no matter what no matter when. THIS SHIP IS THE 1000 day ship thats a thousand days of supporting this game. That translates roughly into 3 or so years. Three or so years and the ship you are rewarded for doig it shouldn't be the pinnacle of greatness? Do you know how pissed off I would be if i supported a game for 3 years and got a bronze star? I would never ever ever ever support this game. To think that I would even attempt to support this game and get a bust at the end. You guys are saying lifers who basically cheat the system and pay 300-200 dollars to waylay their way through it and the SHIP should be worth 300 dollars. no matter what. IF it's not it's like you shook my hand, slapped me, spit in my face, punch me in the stomach and then kicked my in the no mans land all in one smooth fluid motion that left me wondering wtf happened.
Just take the word lifer out of the equsion, and put in subscriber as in i am subscribing money per month to be a gold member and you are telling me boldy to y face before i even start the race to make it THREE YEARS that it's not even worth crossing the finish line? Then why the hell would i even race in the first place?
This ship needs to be op, i love the boff set up if you look at all my post the chimera is thrid on the list of best ships in this game and it should not be third it should be first. It's the ship you are given for saying to Cryptic, I SUPPORT YOU, With your bugs, miscommunications, broken servers, blatant misinforming, waffling, the good the bad and the ugly the thick and the thin, I will support you.
So don't tell me that with me telling you I will pay your wages for three years that the end result is a third rate ship or you gets no love from me. That's like a woman telling you the only reason she is with you is for your money and then she divorces you 3 years later? wtf?
This ship needs to be op their is no if ands or buts about it. It needs to be thicker, stronger, faster, quicker, and more beautiful then anything else going because it is the ship people wait or should wait 1000 days for it should be the pinnacle of cryptics apologies and thank yous to people willing to say "No matter what you do or where you make a mistake, it's all good. I am here for you and will help you." Or else you will never get a dime more out of me. I was thinking about paying the three hundred just to get the ship the rest of that stuff is useless to me but after reading this post even the chimera the only ship i really wanted in this game besides the bug is now feeling useless and finding it's way off the top 3 escorts in this game on m list. So in that fact a subscription, a lifer, and possibly a paying customer has said no. I have no reason to keep buying zen to get keys to get XII phaser relays, no reason to open lock boxes for lobi to get consoles, no reason to do anything to prepare for the arrival of my 1000 day ship when even the first step is not worth the journey. Make my reward greater then the best you can get for free since i can buy a bug for 50 dollars. give me a reason to pay you 300 dollars for my most coveted ship, make me want to support you because as a f2p and a semi (Yes I only spent 150 usd on this game so far in preparation of the arrival of my chimera) or i will go back to f2p and say TRIBBLE it, if my patrol escort is the same as my 1000 day ship then i might as well flt my patrol escort.
Make her op and that's that there is no other reasoning to pay 300 dollars, people are saying that's not what you are paying 300 dollars for "The hell it isn't" if it wasn't then why the hell is it the last thing you get and not the middle and not the first?, you put all that TRIBBLE together you have less then a hundred dollars, you are paying 300 dollars for this ship and I will be damed if i am paying 300 dollars for a ship that is third rate. Upgrade and upgrade her everytime you make a ship their should be no competition for a ship that you pay 300 dollars for, 200 dollars for or even 100 dollars for, wtf. You would have to be mental to thing their should be. A f2p ship and a lock box ship should not be better then her simple as that. I don't see how any one can argue this fact.
So what your saying is that pay to win should exist? To be the best in this game you just cough up the doh and your the best
Read back over what you said!
I've seen pilots in these tank like an oddy and dish out damage like a defiant if set up right they can be one of the best ships in the game but on the other hand I have seen people using beams on them and highlighting all the weaknesses this ship can posses
I hope to hell you see what you've just written
One person should not have an advantage over the other because of the size of his wallet if that were the case it would take all the fun away from it
If I'm buying a PS3 I sure as hell don't expect to get a playstation the one. That's like going to a restaurant and paying for surf and turf and they bring you ramen noodles with beef and shrimp flavoring. wtf.
It's unfortunate but games cost money even f2p games and if everyone was free this game would simply die so yes if i am paying my hard earned money i better damn well be better then someone that's playing for free.
This isn't about talent because i gots loads of it and then some and i just happen to also have the ability to purchase something interesting. I can fight with the best of them and tank with a patrol escort which i use at the moment. Any other reasoning and i'd prolly agree with you but this ship is supposed to be the pinnacle of ships for players dedicated to the improvements and the prosperity of this game. Dedicating 3 YEARS of their life and their income to this game! It's supposed to be the best! There is no arguement there, I don't even see why we are even discussing it. You're saying that a player who never contributes to the ongoing play of this game should be equal to those that do? Then why would i even pay a dime in the first place? You can't stay in business with everything being free specially not with pwe at the helm.
Take money out of the equation all together and you're telling me a ship that you have to wait 3 years to get should be less then and even inferior to a ship you can get today? How ridiculous does that sound?
I actually need to hear the retort to this.
IMO no ship should be OP they should all be balanced well that no one can say for sure one ship is clearly better then the other of their respective tier.
I don't understand the rational behind this. It's so mind boggling that I don't even know how to respond to it anymore. In your minds you are okay with paying 300 dollars to be given something sub par?
Wow... I have no idea how to explain how that sounds.
I give up.
its a gift. you are not paying 300 for the ship, but the subscription.
also as said before the ship has a function, that makes up for the 10th console slot
and it is a veteran ship, so you should be happy that it has warp engines, and not rusting away
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veteran doesn't mean old in this instance! why do you keep saying that? it means it in the way of Grunt, veteran, so on and so forth not veteran as in past war vets!
Just thinking about it is making my head hurt...
So in you're mind after spending alllllllllll that money and subscribing for 1000+ days a ship just one foot out of the grave is good to you? No wonder we can't get anything good because we have people vocal people who attest to the fact that we will accept less for our money. No wonder PWE does it, because you don't mind. And I am willing to bet even more money that the people who are saying they are cool with it are not subscribers and prolly never will be or we wouldn't be having this conversation.
But as it stands. For that, you will never get a dime out of me not for this ship, the only ship i ever wanted in this game and was willing to pay 500-600 USD. 300+300 for keys and such to equip it. You got 150 out of me pwe, that far and no further. all that stuff is worth around 100 dollars so i can just buy it separably, i wouldn't do this for anything other then THAT ship and as long as people are okay with it it will stay subpar.
Granted, the console gives us 2 function but whats the point making it a console if it only can be equipped on the vet destroyer?
My suggestion is: remove the console, make it an innate ability AND it will be fine to leave the vet destroyer with 9 consoles.
Else, add another console slot to make it equal to Fleet/lockbox ship.
OR, give us a fleet version with 10 console - I don't mind spending a fleet module to get it (of course make owning the chimera a pre-requisite of getting the fleet chimera).
Exactly! people are fine with this.... fine.... just... fine.
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Completely off-base!
Your analogy is total BS. It's not your parents buying you a sports car, it's you buying a house that happens to have estate taxes and the mortgage fully paid for, that just so happens to have an cool kitchen. And then suddenly you complain that BAWWWW, the kitchen isn't better than a high-class restaurant's?! RIPOFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!111.
It's the very definition of "missing the forest for the trees".
First off, the idea is you buy a lifetime sub FOR THE SUB, for eternal Gold Status and all the perks that come with it, including a free VA ship token, the extra inventory, the cash cap, and all the other stuff I can't remember. That AND the ship. If that's not worth it to you, then that's your ******n problem.
TL;DR = IT'S NOT A $200 SHIP, IT'S A $200 SUBSCRIPTION
If you paid for a lifetime sub SOLELY for the Chimera, then OBVIOUSLY you got effing ripped off! "Misguided" is an understatement!
And YES, while I'd love for my Chimmy to get a 10th console and be the end-all be-all of amazing uber-superships that none can beat ever ever ever, I know that's not going to happen, because it would Dominate PVP, PVE, and everything else except the. No one would ever leave their Chimeras, and it would be UNFAIR. Lifetimers would get an indelible, nearly unbeatable advantage, and the result is NO FUN for free players.
The hypocrisy in this sentiment is palpable. We whine and ***** about HURRR PWE = P2W and tell them to balance the game, but then whine and ***** when we aren't OP because WE PAID TEH BUXXX.
Pick a path, jerks.
PS. Yes, I want the Chimmy to be buffed to match Fleet and Lockbox ships. BUT, if they don't do it, I'm fine with that, too.
Adding a 10th console slot will not make this ship OP and it will not dominate in PVP, PVE, etc. There are currently 3 other ships will still be more powerful/as powerful to the Chimera when it gets its 10th console.
As a comparison:
Fleet Defiant: 33K Hull, 0.9 Shield Mod, 17 Turn Rate, 10 Consoles (5 Tac)
Mobius Destroyer: 33K Hull, 1.05 Shield Mod, 15 Turn Rate, 10 Consoles
Jem Bug: 34.5K Hull, 1 Shield Mod, 20 Turn Rate, 10 Consoles (5Tac)
Chimera: 34.5K Hull, 0.9 Shield Mod, 14 Turn Rate, 9 Consoles
So clearly, its reasonable to ask for an additional console for the Chimera. It doesn't have to be TAC console, another SCI/ENG console would be great.
Or make the console an ability of the ship and remove it as a console. It should apply for Ablative Generator too, since no other ships can use it, why make it a console? (But thats another discussion for another thread).
Sadly, that's not gonna happen. Cryptic's clearly not into native abilities anymore, and I suspect the reason is that a universal console sells better than a native ability. Why? People will have 1 MORE reason to buy a ship they might not stick with if the console is good enough.
Of course this doesn't apply to the ship-restricted consoles (like Chimmy etc.), but still.
We have better chances for all ships gaining a "special" console slot than we are of abilities being made native.
That would be true for non-ship restricted consoles, like you said it: it doesn't apply for ship restricted consoles like the Ablative Generator or the Dynamic Tactical System.
I am giving Cryptic a few options to play around: Remove the console and make it a ship ability OR add a 10th console slot for the destroyers.
I doubt any self-respecting captain would remove the dynamic tactical system console from their destroyers. So right now, the ship effectively has only 8 consoles slots
Are we really that far behind the Gamma Quadrant? That even with their ships we can't make something better then it or atleast equal to it? What the heck will we do the moment they decide "Victory is life" again?
I still don't understand how people can justify waiting 1000 days to get this thing or paying 300 dollars for a subscription when all they items are sub-par at best. I already own 3/4s of all that stuff as is and i only spent 150 dollars and mainly it was on keys
And I have no idea what unangbangkay is talking about apparently he's never fought a Jem'hadar Attack ship in one on one pvp or used an escort or cruiser against any sci ship in one vs one and they have innately built into them the ability to target subsystems, wtf. So why doesn't the chimera have it's abilities innate to it when nothing else can use them, NOTHING! So this ship should be better, its very existence demands it. the wording in it's description demands it. It's either the scientist are Undine infiltrators, or they think we're stupid, or they're soooooo smart that they have reverted to stupid. It's one of those and i can't decide which one it is. I thought it was them because they designed it and now that we're accepting it I think that we are. Who locks down an entire planet to design something a level 40 free ship can beat? Jesus, Mary, and Joesph they have to be red in the face somewhere about this or atleast us as captains should be aware of this.
There's all ready op pvp ships out there and what the hell is this about balance, ships shouldn't be equal ever or whats the point in making and designing ships if you get the same flavor from everything? You're supposed to step up with your next ship not step next to. How sad the world would be if a roman rowing ship could take on a state of the art high tech 21st century battleship because it would be considered fair. Life's not fair. Deal with it and move on. I'm not buying a Ferrari because I want a car to get me from point A to point B I'm buying a Ferrari because I want people to know I have a Ferrari! IT does the same as a Kia Sport but it get's different results. That's like buying frosted flakes and honey nut cheerios and expecting to have them taste the same. That's just stupid.
Why can't there be more and specially if you are telling Cryptic I support you and to top it off they just released this ship in October as a thank you to captains for getting a lifer or subscribing for 3 years and you're saying your thank you should be Meh at best. If the Chimera is not up to snuff then you should have simply given us a ship that was or given us a token to chose from any of the ships that were on that side and not factionalized so atleast we could make our decision on what we want and everyone would want the JHAS I am willing to bet money on it. The JHAS is the Pinnacle of ship design and the best will always always always want the best.
As I've learned to accept, STO's rationale for this is that O'Brien and Geordi's modular ship-building system effectively makes ANY hull compatible with most if not all of Starfleet's greatest tech. Effectively, the age or appearance of the hull no longer matters.
I don't necessarily like it, but that's that. Dealwithit.jpg
The problem with your attitude is that you "waited 1000 days" for this thing. Or "paid 300 dollars" for this thing.
DO YOU NOT CARE ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE A SUBSCRIPTION OFFERS YOU?!!?!? [/FONT]
Probably not. And that's YOUR damn problem. The Chimera was NEVER, EVER EVER EVER the point of a lifetime subscription. It was a REWARD, for 1000 days of support (or in my case, that initial show of faith when I bought the LTS pre-release). NO ONE should have expected it to be the ULTIMATE REWARD BEST THING EVER.
Everyone who bought a lifetime subscription to get it, or anyone who refuses to recognize the value of whatever else a lifetime subscription buys them, is simply being narrow-minded.
Could it be better? Yes. Should it be better? Maybe. Do I want it to be better? Probably, yeah. I certainly wouldn't mind.
Is Cryptic obligated to MAKE it better? NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
/thread
So for your support you get nothing and you're fine with that? That's like working at a factory all your life and getting a watch when you retire and nothing else.
This arguement is going no where. They have the tools to make it better, they can make it better. Just typing in some code and you get my attention. It's not Free so I'm not begging choosing, i'm telling them clearly what I will pay for and what I will not pay for. I am paying you 1/3rd of my weekly check, that's 300 dollars. 300.00 dollars of my hard earned money from one of my checks that could have went anywhere and done anything. I could have put it in the bank, paid a car note, car insurance, life, insurance, Groceries, any of these things but no i decided I will use my money to pay into a game that tomorrow could simply be gone. This is so asinine that it's beginning to irk me. You are literally saying that it's okay and that it should be acceptable that when I was f2p and could not afford to buy anything that that ship, my patrol escort should be just as good if not equal to a ship I am willing to now that i have a dam good job pay top dollar for? Then whats the point? Why would I pay a cent for something that is not better then what I got for free? This is no different then buying a playstation 3 and it being the same as an atari, wtf. It's an escort! It's not even noted as a Hybrid anymore! The Breen ship, the BREEN Ship is better then it and I got that for figure-skating, wtf. Seriously, my most prized ship is not better then any of my free ships? Granted you get that ship for free as well if you were a lifer before October. But who the heck knew it was coming? I already own almost all that stuff so I am LITERALLY PAYING 300 dollars FOR ONLY THE SHIP! And if you read the description of this ship, why is it WORST THEN THE SHIS WE ALREADY HAVE? Increase the hull a bit above the Bug, increase the turn 1-2, ad another console and make the console innate and you have what it should be, that's not op it's just what the ship SHOULD be. IT should be just a little better a little better isn't uber it's just a little better.
I'm not even sure why I am debating with you, you're a balancer, there is no Balance in war, one side will always be better, no matter what. IT's like you are simply white washing everything else just to prove a point that literally does not make sense in the slightest. It's like you're agreeing with me but you're disagreeing with one part of a whole argument that makes it make sense. I just want to hear from other Veterans who purchased the life sub and have conflicts with this. Unless you have that veteran Monicker I don't want to hear about it. I'm tired of hearing people mothballed my most coveted ship because it's useless. IT has the perfect boff set up and that's it.
know what just to squash it and move on, I'll stick with my Mirror Patrol escort and let that be that, grind some di and purchase a bug, I will no longer spend another cent on this game. Your logic is "That what I pay for should not be better then what I can get for free." And that's not what I pay for. I pay to be better then when I was free. I give up my money to leave behind all the hardships of being free and this is literally telling me my money means nothing to this game and to this company. So I will keep pocketing my money and putting it in the bank and put it in a game that it does mean something to.
I don't pay to be the same as I was yesterday, I pay to be better tomorrow then I am today and if I was dam good when I was free I better be dam well better then that for my buck or you'll never get it from me. So Cryptic, you know your overlord wants them dollars so you better up your game and keep me 'A fool that has nothing better to do with his money then toss 1-2k a month on a stupid game' happy or you lose that.
It might not be a lot to you to lose one person willing to give you 25k a year but how many people do you think read these forums? By my count a couple thousand, multiply this statement by a couple thousand and you have yourself a problem.
LOL, you realy think this....
It was a veteran ship because you needed to be a 1000 day vet in the game, thats where the name came from.