Or how about just adding a Constitution class holoemitter for say, 1 million latinum (or whatever amount is deemed appropriate)? (please note that holoemitters only last for a limited amount of use, 1 hour)
Why Cryptic would do it:
1) No new ships need to be made so no work for them
2) New item in latinum store, which many people have been looking for (the first new items in 2+ years were added last month with Winter Event)
3) Contributes to reducing energy credit inflation (since the most common method of latinum is dabo, from EC)
4) Satisfies TOS fans because they get to fly a "T5 Connie"
5) Satisfies everyone else because it's not *really* a T5 Connie
Or how about just adding a Constitution class holoemitter for say, 1 million latinum (or whatever amount is deemed appropriate)? (please note that holoemitters only last for a limited amount of use, 1 hour)
Why Cryptic would do it:
1) No new ships need to be made so no work for them
2) New item in latinum store, which many people have been looking for (the first new items in 2+ years were added last month with Winter Event)
3) Contributes to reducing energy credit inflation (since the most common method of latinum is dabo, from EC)
4) Satisfies TOS fans because they get to fly a "T5 Connie"
5) Satisfies everyone else because it's not *really* a T5 Connie
And then us old schoolers can never have money again. That's a terrible idea.
5) Satisfies everyone else because it's not *really* a T5 Connie
That seems a little silly. Is that really your motivation to keep TOS ships out of the game? Would it somehow cheapen the quality of the game, or really make you want to quit in the disgust if you saw a larger classic ship flying around?
Oh and as long as op is listing off obscure old ships I'd like to add the ark royal and Yamato class ships from the star fleet command games, that Yamato class was a beast.
YES! The Yamato. Fond memories
The FASA ship recognition manual has some excellent models, as well, like this one that they call the 'Continent' class
I'd love to see some more obscure races from SFC/Star Fleet Battles, as well, but I know that's far less than likely. It would be great to have a new sector open up with a story arc about the Lyran/Hydran war, with the Mirak (or Kzinti, if you want to call them that :P) also appearing as a new enemy. If you had it is a proxy war, with the Klingons supporting the Lyrans and the Federation supporting the Hydrans, it could have a great TOS cold war feel to it....
I think trying to shoehorn TOS ships into T5 is not the right solution.
I would prefer new "ship costumes" for current era ships with a TOS aesthetic. Imagine the Ody but instead of all sleek curves it was all hard edges, geometric shapes, painted TOS white and sporting TOS style nacelles?
Or an Akira/HEC made in the TOS style.
They would be the ships we know today, with the same outlines... only using blockier, bulkier parts, painted TOS white and using the older style nacelles.
That seems a little silly. Is that really your motivation to keep TOS ships out of the game? Would it somehow cheapen the quality of the game, or really make you want to quit in the disgust if you saw a larger classic ship flying around?
My opinion on that matter is irrelevant since CBS has ruled out T5 Constitution class ships. Period. My suggestion is an alternative that will allow you the appearance of a Constitution class ship, on a Tier 5 ship of your choice in a way that Cryptic may actually get approval to use it.
As I've said, I'm not advocating a Tier 5 Connie. I want a retro TOS battleship or supercruiser, which would be far less out-of-place among the battleships and supercruisers that make up T5 at the moment.
Additionally, for people who do want it - just because someone in power has said no to something it certainly doesn't mean that one should give up hope of achieving it :P
What they've said is no to a T5 retro Connie, though, am I right? There's still a chance that they could make a T5 Cruiser, with Exeter or other modern skin.
As for your suggestion, the holo-emmitter thing would work, but I wouldn't want to pay through the nose for something that only lasts a bloody hour! I'd want it to be a permenant skin option.
As far as TV. Movies? TOS>JJTrek>TNG (the bad outweighed the good, imo)...
The thing is, though, and I'm not sure why this is so often overlooked - but um...
The original Connie was gone with TMP.
The refit was scheduled for decom at the end of Undiscovered.
The Excelsior took over with Generations.
Generations...2293. It's ~2409. 116 years later.
The Connie entered service in the early 2240s, before 2245. Say we even go with 2245. It's ~2409. 164 years later.
It's not even really about the ship 164 years later. It was replaced 116 years ago. It was replaced during the TOS-movie timeline.
As a person that prefers TOS, yeah - I'd love to be flying around in a TOS-era designed game. It's not. It's not a TNG, not a VOY, not a DS9 era game. It's STO...
Much like Kirk went from the ol' Connie to the refit to the retrofit...and much like his comments about the Enterprise-B not being the Enterprise without a Sulu at the helm - the spirit of the Enterprise was not because it was a Connie - because it was an Excelsior - an Ambassador - a Galaxy - a Sovereign or even the Odyssey... Star Trek was about much more than just the ship.
The Connie's not missing from endgame in STO. The Connie was replaced long ago. No, what's missing from the endgame in STO...well, Star Trek is...
Technically, it was never stated anywhere that the Constitution class as a whole was being retired; the Enterprise may simply have been decommissioned due to wear and tear.
We also don't know that the Excelsior was meant as a replacement for the Connie; the two classes may well have continued serving alongside each other in different roles.
Lastly, we don't know for a fact that the Connie refit was universal; it's not uncommon for ships to be put in mothballs against some future need. Such ships may well have skipped the refit, due to it being too much trouble and expense for ships that are not in active service.
It's possible to rationalize just about anything, if you put a little effort into it.
Technically, it was never stated anywhere that the Constitution class as a whole was being retired; the Enterprise may simply have been decommissioned due to wear and tear.
We also don't know that the Excelsior was meant as a replacement for the Connie; the two classes may well have continued serving alongside each other in different roles.
Enterprise was a flagship ship. With the move from the Constitution to the Excelsior, the Excelsior replaced the Constitution as the flagship ship. Doesn't mean that all Constitution vessels were automatically decommissioned. Some would have continued in their current roles until replaced, some would have served in other roles, etc, etc, etc. Starfleet couldn't just wave a magic wand and replace all their ships.
Even there, the lower production costs and operating expenses of the Miranda better suited the majority of the secondary roles that a Constitution might have found itself in...it would have been illogical to continue manufacturing the class.
Moving along into the TNG+ timeline, we know that certain higher ranked Starfleet officers continued to use Excelsior class vessels as their "personal" flagships. Constitution vessels on the other hand...?
Lastly, we don't know for a fact that the Connie refit was universal; it's not uncommon for ships to be put in mothballs against some future need. Such ships may well have skipped the refit, due to it being too much trouble and expense for ships that are not in active service.
Obviously unless needed, there would have been ships that would not have been refit. There were newer ships as well as ships with less operating expenditures where those resources would have been better allocated.
Likewise, ships that were mothballed may have been cannibalized for parts - stripped for raw resources - or simply crashed into an ocean on some water planet to create artificial reefs...
It's possible to rationalize just about anything, if you put a little effort into it.
Rationalization is often a defense/coping mechanism for when somebody is unwilling or unable to accept the reality of a situation, the potential consequences of decision, or to try to justify something...where they need to put that effort into it.
And the reality is that both versions of the Connie are in STO; which means they obviously weren't completely withdrawn from service. I have no good explanation for this either; hence 'rationalize'.
If we are reaching for explanations, we may as well go ahead and say something like 'advances in technology since the Constitution refit have made the refit itself redundant; allowing for previously obsolete designs to be upgraded to modern standards without going to the trouble of rebuilding the ship from the keel up'. Since we don't really have a good reason to assume that this couldn't possibly be the case.
As I've said, I'm not advocating a Tier 5 Connie. I want a retro TOS battleship or supercruiser, which would be far less out-of-place among the battleships and supercruisers that make up T5 at the moment.
Additionally, for people who do want it - just because someone in power has said no to something it certainly doesn't mean that one should give up hope of achieving it :P
What they've said is no to a T5 retro Connie, though, am I right? There's still a chance that they could make a T5 Cruiser, with Exeter or other modern skin.
As for your suggestion, the holo-emmitter thing would work, but I wouldn't want to pay through the nose for something that only lasts a bloody hour! I'd want it to be a permenant skin option.
most awsome post ever. maybe it should have a regenerating timer and cost more?
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It's possible to rationalize just about anything, if you put a little effort into it.
This is precisely my angle - I'm not trying to say that an intergalactic spacefleet would REALISTICALLY use a piece of tech designed 160 years ago. I'm trying to think of a semi-realistic excuse to involve a ship design which I like in a video game. Like I've said, STO forces you to suspend your Trek disbelief, sometimes. Starfleet would not in reality be made up 50% by Vice Admirals, which it has come to be on STO. Not would it realistically have a system whereby officers had to purchase their own ships, and swap tech in and out. They have shipyards for that. Starfleet's apparently got very lax with it's uniform code in the 25th century, as well - if the modern Royal Navy allowed the same sort of thing then you'd have officers dressed like Nelson serving with officers dressed like Jackie Fisher serving with officers dressed in modern blacks.
I'm not saying it needs to be realistic, I'm trying to say I want it, and so do many other players, and there are some reasonably plausible excuses that could be used for why a retro ship could still be present in 2409, in game. Like the many excuses that I and other people here have offered.
Picard once said that "Things are only impossible until they're not..." I would add that things are only unrealistic until they are made real.
I would much rather be flying around in a Federation-class (brought back due to some need for it's firepower) or a Defender class (having remained in the fleet as a ceremonial/diplomatic ship) or something else along the same lines - those are just my suggestions - and if not that, then a Tier 5 Constitution class fleet retrofit. But if none of that happens, the holoemmitter idea would suffice. So long as it was a permenant skin change or ship device that I didn't have to keep topping up like a greedy jukebox. I'm not made of money! But I would be much more likely to pay a large fee for a good retro T5 ship.
For those who think the constitution class was decommissioned, you are incorrect. The wreckage of one is seen at the battle of wolf 359, and you should feel terrible about dismissing it's sacrifice. :P
We are not being pushy or outlandish, we are just want to give cryptic our money.
And about the hologram option, that would be a terrible insult. For every video someone wanted to make, or for every fantasy someone wanted to experience, you would have to spend an hour or more at the dabo tables. That sounds like torture to me, it would kill your doffing schedule and drain your wallet. If you think ec is worthless you have been playing forever or you don't want to use amazing pvp builds.
At least push for a T-4 Connie/exeter. That would be enough.
They say NO T-5......fine give us T-4.
I think a fleet Exeter (or whichever is the modern looking one) would be a fine way to get in a Connie at endgame.... so long as the connie fans were willing to bend a little. Sadly I think the cries for a full TOS T5 connie would not stop.
For those who think the constitution class was decommissioned, you are incorrect. The wreckage of one is seen at the battle of wolf 359, and you should feel terrible about dismissing it's sacrifice. :P
We are not being pushy or outlandish, we are just want to give cryptic our money.
And about the hologram option, that would be a terrible insult. For every video someone wanted to make, or for every fantasy someone wanted to experience, you would have to spend an hour or more at the dabo tables. That sounds like torture to me, it would kill your doffing schedule and drain your wallet. If you think ec is worthless you have been playing forever or you don't want to use amazing pvp builds.
I'm possibly stealing your signature now. SOLIDARITY!
For those who think the constitution class was decommissioned, you are incorrect. The wreckage of one is seen at the battle of wolf 359, and you should feel terrible about dismissing it's sacrifice. :P
We are not being pushy or outlandish, we are just want to give cryptic our money.
And about the hologram option, that would be a terrible insult. For every video someone wanted to make, or for every fantasy someone wanted to experience, you would have to spend an hour or more at the dabo tables. That sounds like torture to me, it would kill your doffing schedule and drain your wallet. If you think ec is worthless you have been playing forever or you don't want to use amazing pvp builds.
Obviously they need to make dabo allow for higher stakes. But since $25 for a C-Store ship or the ~$80-250 for a lock box ship are not viable for a Constitution class at least, it would be a possibility.
I'm possibly stealing your signature now. SOLIDARITY!
Phyrexion, yeah it might be nice if they messed with the dabbo/holo rules. Most ftp rental systems are a lot more approachable.
Maybe all the ships cost millions in gpl because you're not supposed to play non fed ships often, and any fed ships added wouldn't suffer from that burden.
For those who think the constitution class was decommissioned, you are incorrect. The wreckage of one is seen at the battle of wolf 359, and you should feel terrible about dismissing it's sacrifice.
Yep, the last Connie...blown up 42 years ago. People should remember her sacrifice.
Yep, the last Connie...blown up 42 years ago. People should remember her sacrifice.
Yep, most likely full of cadets on a training exercise, too.
I've always thought of that Connie as a ship that was kept functional for use as hands on starship operations training that got thrown at the cube in a last ditch act of desperation.
Yep, most likely full of cadets on a training exercise, too.
I've always thought of that Connie as a ship that was kept functional for use as hands on starship operations training that got thrown at the cube in a last ditch act of desperation.
The admiral who speaks to Picard never mentions using any out of service ships, he in fact states that they are being recalled into the area. If they were really so desperate for fighting forces they would have brought those scout ships you see get blown up by mars.
There were only forty ships in the wolf 359 fleet. That's a paltry count compared to what star fleet is really capable of.
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(please note that holoemitters only last for a limited amount of use, 1 hour)
Why Cryptic would do it:
1) No new ships need to be made so no work for them
2) New item in latinum store, which many people have been looking for (the first new items in 2+ years were added last month with Winter Event)
3) Contributes to reducing energy credit inflation (since the most common method of latinum is dabo, from EC)
4) Satisfies TOS fans because they get to fly a "T5 Connie"
5) Satisfies everyone else because it's not *really* a T5 Connie
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And then us old schoolers can never have money again. That's a terrible idea.
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Hmm is that Q I'm sensing over there some where lurking in the background?
Whatever the problem.... blame Q....
Car doesn't start? Q!
Kinds have ADD? Q!
It's just sooo plausible
Perhaps no T5 Connie ever is a better alternative to you?
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That seems a little silly. Is that really your motivation to keep TOS ships out of the game? Would it somehow cheapen the quality of the game, or really make you want to quit in the disgust if you saw a larger classic ship flying around?
YES! The Yamato. Fond memories
The FASA ship recognition manual has some excellent models, as well, like this one that they call the 'Continent' class
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/assaultship_continent.jpg
That think looks very, very mean, in my eyes.
I'd love to see some more obscure races from SFC/Star Fleet Battles, as well, but I know that's far less than likely. It would be great to have a new sector open up with a story arc about the Lyran/Hydran war, with the Mirak (or Kzinti, if you want to call them that :P) also appearing as a new enemy. If you had it is a proxy war, with the Klingons supporting the Lyrans and the Federation supporting the Hydrans, it could have a great TOS cold war feel to it....
My eyes...they burn!
My opinion on that matter is irrelevant since CBS has ruled out T5 Constitution class ships. Period. My suggestion is an alternative that will allow you the appearance of a Constitution class ship, on a Tier 5 ship of your choice in a way that Cryptic may actually get approval to use it.
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Additionally, for people who do want it - just because someone in power has said no to something it certainly doesn't mean that one should give up hope of achieving it :P
*ahem* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deq6_p47g54
What they've said is no to a T5 retro Connie, though, am I right? There's still a chance that they could make a T5 Cruiser, with Exeter or other modern skin.
As for your suggestion, the holo-emmitter thing would work, but I wouldn't want to pay through the nose for something that only lasts a bloody hour! I'd want it to be a permenant skin option.
As in...
TOS>TNG>JJTrek>TAS>Ent>VOY>DS9...
As far as TV. Movies? TOS>JJTrek>TNG (the bad outweighed the good, imo)...
The thing is, though, and I'm not sure why this is so often overlooked - but um...
The original Connie was gone with TMP.
The refit was scheduled for decom at the end of Undiscovered.
The Excelsior took over with Generations.
Generations...2293. It's ~2409. 116 years later.
The Connie entered service in the early 2240s, before 2245. Say we even go with 2245. It's ~2409. 164 years later.
It's not even really about the ship 164 years later. It was replaced 116 years ago. It was replaced during the TOS-movie timeline.
As a person that prefers TOS, yeah - I'd love to be flying around in a TOS-era designed game. It's not. It's not a TNG, not a VOY, not a DS9 era game. It's STO...
Much like Kirk went from the ol' Connie to the refit to the retrofit...and much like his comments about the Enterprise-B not being the Enterprise without a Sulu at the helm - the spirit of the Enterprise was not because it was a Connie - because it was an Excelsior - an Ambassador - a Galaxy - a Sovereign or even the Odyssey... Star Trek was about much more than just the ship.
The Connie's not missing from endgame in STO. The Connie was replaced long ago. No, what's missing from the endgame in STO...well, Star Trek is...
We also don't know that the Excelsior was meant as a replacement for the Connie; the two classes may well have continued serving alongside each other in different roles.
Lastly, we don't know for a fact that the Connie refit was universal; it's not uncommon for ships to be put in mothballs against some future need. Such ships may well have skipped the refit, due to it being too much trouble and expense for ships that are not in active service.
It's possible to rationalize just about anything, if you put a little effort into it.
earth also had a hole ship class nx class in the 2150's from star trek enterprise.
Enterprise was a flagship ship. With the move from the Constitution to the Excelsior, the Excelsior replaced the Constitution as the flagship ship. Doesn't mean that all Constitution vessels were automatically decommissioned. Some would have continued in their current roles until replaced, some would have served in other roles, etc, etc, etc. Starfleet couldn't just wave a magic wand and replace all their ships.
Even there, the lower production costs and operating expenses of the Miranda better suited the majority of the secondary roles that a Constitution might have found itself in...it would have been illogical to continue manufacturing the class.
Moving along into the TNG+ timeline, we know that certain higher ranked Starfleet officers continued to use Excelsior class vessels as their "personal" flagships. Constitution vessels on the other hand...?
Obviously unless needed, there would have been ships that would not have been refit. There were newer ships as well as ships with less operating expenditures where those resources would have been better allocated.
Likewise, ships that were mothballed may have been cannibalized for parts - stripped for raw resources - or simply crashed into an ocean on some water planet to create artificial reefs...
Rationalization is often a defense/coping mechanism for when somebody is unwilling or unable to accept the reality of a situation, the potential consequences of decision, or to try to justify something...where they need to put that effort into it.
If we are reaching for explanations, we may as well go ahead and say something like 'advances in technology since the Constitution refit have made the refit itself redundant; allowing for previously obsolete designs to be upgraded to modern standards without going to the trouble of rebuilding the ship from the keel up'. Since we don't really have a good reason to assume that this couldn't possibly be the case.
most awsome post ever. maybe it should have a regenerating timer and cost more?
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-Thomas Marrone
This is precisely my angle - I'm not trying to say that an intergalactic spacefleet would REALISTICALLY use a piece of tech designed 160 years ago. I'm trying to think of a semi-realistic excuse to involve a ship design which I like in a video game. Like I've said, STO forces you to suspend your Trek disbelief, sometimes. Starfleet would not in reality be made up 50% by Vice Admirals, which it has come to be on STO. Not would it realistically have a system whereby officers had to purchase their own ships, and swap tech in and out. They have shipyards for that. Starfleet's apparently got very lax with it's uniform code in the 25th century, as well - if the modern Royal Navy allowed the same sort of thing then you'd have officers dressed like Nelson serving with officers dressed like Jackie Fisher serving with officers dressed in modern blacks.
I'm not saying it needs to be realistic, I'm trying to say I want it, and so do many other players, and there are some reasonably plausible excuses that could be used for why a retro ship could still be present in 2409, in game. Like the many excuses that I and other people here have offered.
Picard once said that "Things are only impossible until they're not..." I would add that things are only unrealistic until they are made real.
I would much rather be flying around in a Federation-class (brought back due to some need for it's firepower) or a Defender class (having remained in the fleet as a ceremonial/diplomatic ship) or something else along the same lines - those are just my suggestions - and if not that, then a Tier 5 Constitution class fleet retrofit. But if none of that happens, the holoemmitter idea would suffice. So long as it was a permenant skin change or ship device that I didn't have to keep topping up like a greedy jukebox. I'm not made of money! But I would be much more likely to pay a large fee for a good retro T5 ship.
We are not being pushy or outlandish, we are just want to give cryptic our money.
And about the hologram option, that would be a terrible insult. For every video someone wanted to make, or for every fantasy someone wanted to experience, you would have to spend an hour or more at the dabo tables. That sounds like torture to me, it would kill your doffing schedule and drain your wallet. If you think ec is worthless you have been playing forever or you don't want to use amazing pvp builds.
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They say NO T-5......fine give us T-4.
I think a fleet Exeter (or whichever is the modern looking one) would be a fine way to get in a Connie at endgame.... so long as the connie fans were willing to bend a little. Sadly I think the cries for a full TOS T5 connie would not stop.
I'm possibly stealing your signature now. SOLIDARITY!
Obviously they need to make dabo allow for higher stakes. But since $25 for a C-Store ship or the ~$80-250 for a lock box ship are not viable for a Constitution class at least, it would be a possibility.
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Phyrexion, yeah it might be nice if they messed with the dabbo/holo rules. Most ftp rental systems are a lot more approachable.
Maybe all the ships cost millions in gpl because you're not supposed to play non fed ships often, and any fed ships added wouldn't suffer from that burden.
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Yep, the last Connie...blown up 42 years ago. People should remember her sacrifice.
Yep, most likely full of cadets on a training exercise, too.
I've always thought of that Connie as a ship that was kept functional for use as hands on starship operations training that got thrown at the cube in a last ditch act of desperation.
I liked how you used the time stamp of a sto perspective, a universe where the Connie is still all over the place.
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The admiral who speaks to Picard never mentions using any out of service ships, he in fact states that they are being recalled into the area. If they were really so desperate for fighting forces they would have brought those scout ships you see get blown up by mars.
There were only forty ships in the wolf 359 fleet. That's a paltry count compared to what star fleet is really capable of.
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