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Okay. To start with I might be in the wrong category 
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Next. For the 2nd Anniversary we all got a free Odyssey and Bortas, Both of which are cruisers. Now for the 3rd anniversary we will probably get an Ambassador class (Klingon unknown). What do you guys think the ship and the class should be?
In my opinion I think the Escorts need some love. I mean I was waiting for months to get a patrol escort for 80,000EC :rolleyes: . Sci guys got a nice 3-pack Vesta. Same with the Eng, a 3-pack Odyssey and also an Assault Cruiser Refit and Fleet Variant.
Anyways. What do you guys think it should be?
.Next. For the 2nd Anniversary we all got a free Odyssey and Bortas, Both of which are cruisers. Now for the 3rd anniversary we will probably get an Ambassador class (Klingon unknown). What do you guys think the ship and the class should be?
In my opinion I think the Escorts need some love. I mean I was waiting for months to get a patrol escort for 80,000EC :rolleyes: . Sci guys got a nice 3-pack Vesta. Same with the Eng, a 3-pack Odyssey and also an Assault Cruiser Refit and Fleet Variant.
Anyways. What do you guys think it should be?
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The Chel Grett isn't really an escort, it's more of a hybrid of all three ship types. The Chimera also essentially costs $300 ($200 if you catch a sale), and really shouldn't be counted against making more escorts in-game given its staggeringly high cost.
Cruiser captains got the Odyssey 3-pack, and Science captains got the Vesta 3-pack. Both of those ships are also on par, stats and console-wise, with Fleet ships, meaning players won't have to buy them and then upgrade to the Fleet variant (unlike the Regent or Armitage-class ships). Escorts are still out in the cold on that count.
And yet escort captains can get the MVAER and TER from the c-store, both of which are powerful ships, and make it so your FAER and FTER cost only 1 FSM. Also, those ships are pretty much set in their purpose (mass destruction), so I fail to see how one would make variants of them in the first place.
The Vesta and Oddy on the other hand are very versatile BY DESIGN, so naturally they would have variants. Can't really do that with escorts. And as for being on par with fleet ships, tbh they aren't. They are powerful, but a fleet version of those classes of ships will beat those two pretty easily.
And don't worry, your precious escorts will get a new friend soon enough with the Andorian Kumari-class ship.
They could have with the Armitage. Tac = enhanced torpedo something or other, Engi = advanced hanger thingamabob, Sci = something else I could potentially come up with if it really mattered.
Fleet versions don't exist, though. What you're saying is, if they DID make Fleet versions, then they would be better, which is true... but there aren't any Fleet versions yet.
The Odyssey Star Cruiser (C-Store variant) has almost as much Hull HP as, and a higher Shield Modifier than, the Fleet Star Cruiser. It also has 10 Console Slots, something you only see in Fleet ships. Its stats are pretty much on par with the rest of the Fleet cruisers.
Your argument is that "The Odyssey and Vesta were designed to be versatile, while Escorts cannot be" is flawed, too. They could make a versatile Escort -- one version is tankier, one version has a special attack, and another version has a science feature. Maybe the Science variant of this hypothetical Escort has a special tractor beam or something, I dunno. There are a lot of ways to make a special escort that stands apart with 3 variants, just like they did with the Odyssey and the Vesta.
what are you talking about? they did give us the steamrunner and that ship is almost a copy paste of the fleet patrol escort.
MY FLEET:http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=498091
I was talking about the Odyssey and Vesta 3-packs, and how there is no comparable pack of Escort ships.
Lets not forget with that high cost you also only get 9 console slots and no fleet version.
No, what I am saying is that a fleet version of that ship class could beat them. Examples are Fleet Assault Cruiser Vs Odyssey, the FAC will win. FRSV vs Vesta, FRSV will probably win. That's what I meant. Ship class, not those ships specifically.
What you are asking for is already in game (listed in red). And tbh, escorts really do not need anymore loving. They are currently the most viable ship class in almost ALL PvE, and have no need for any buffs.
Edit: As for your Escort 3-pack? I just repeat my last statement.
engemering class would built in 10+ power to engines special console emergency damage replicators would give instant 75 percent hull repair cool down 3 minutes and extra 500 hull mmodifier.
tac version extra 10 + power to weapons special console isomagnetic caannon does 10000 kinetic damage to bare targets shieelded targets it has 30 percent shield bleedthrough same fire arc as dhc 3 minute cooldown
science version 10+ power to auxillary redmatter black hole generator is the special console deploys 4 black holes around ship which suck in fighters and toredoes and ship to close gets same damage as a gravity well 3 5 minute cooldown
And why should there be? Escorts already have everything.
agreed, there's an escort for any roll. sci: MVAM eng: steamrunner/FPE tac: tac escort/ bug ship. as the game is right now the escort can do just about anything. The only reason they have the 3 packs is to give more flexibility to those who want to use cruisers or sci ships.
besides we don't need more escorts in an already escort heavy game.
MY FLEET:http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=498091
Cruisers do too, buuuuuuut they keep making them.
So you're saying Escorts don't deserve a ship with a Lt. Com Universal station, even though the Odyssey has one of those in each of its variants? And Escorts don't deserve a ship with three special console powers, and a 3-console set bonus?
Your whole argument forgets that the Odyssey was a retreat of several previous cruisers, too. We had a cruiser with Lt. Com Tactical before Odyssey. It was called Excelsior. We also had a cruiser with a Lt. Com engineering station and saucer separation. It was called the Galaxy Retrofit. So why, again, should Escorts not get a 3-pack?
Your argument however is nullified because before the Odyssey there was no cruiser with a LtCmdr Science. And as multiple users have already stated, escorts are powerful enough as is, and there are enough of them to do EVERY bloody role in the game. We don't need more escorts. We don't need more science ships. We don't need more cruisers. FFS we don't need more fed ships.
Take your ideas, and GIVE THEM TO THE KDF.
So your issue isn't that I want escorts, it's that I want a Fed ship.
For the record, I totally support more KDF ships, but... they've said KDF ships aren't very profitable. Still, as this is a Fed Shipyard thread, I'm not going to talk overly much about KDF ships.
Between the Odyssey and the Vesta, though, we've got plenty of options for people who want to fly a Cruiser or a Science ship, just like you claim we've got plenty of options for Escort captains. Really, the only thing we have left is aesthetics and special abilities, and the Odyssey and Vesta have some very nice special abilities.
The only thing we really have left is a broadsiding ship, or a turret-based ship. I'd actually like to see a Cruiser, too, that had an inherent bonus to Turret power to bring them up to par with Phaser Arrays, and came with two side-mounted Kinetic Dual Heavy Cannons.
Radically different setups like that are really all that's left, though, so I don't see why you're arguing so much against an Escort 3-pack.
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No, my issue is not that you want a fed ship, my issue is that the addition of even MORE escorts is completely unnecessary, like F2P said, all the niches for escorts are filled. The only thing left in the offensive department as fed ships go are more hybrids, more destroyers.
You have an escort that can tank well (engineering heavy) in the FPE and Steamrunner. You have an escort that can shred faces (tactical heavy) in the FTER and JAS. You have an escort that can CC and mind-**** (science heavy) in the FAER (and non fleet variants of listed ships). As stated, all the niches are filled.
The reason that the Odyssey was given such versatility was because there were no really science heavy cruisers (a role it can fill), no really tactically heavy cruisers (regent came out AFTER the odyssey), and the Operations Odyssey was mostly for the saucer sep I think, because as you said, the ECR and FECR are engi heavy.
The Vesta IMO was an unnecessary addition, since there were science ships that filled all niches, but I am guessing it was put in since science hadn't gotten any love recently, there were enough people who liked the novels, and they figured "eh, put in a science ship that can have pretty damn good damage output".
But as escorts go, they are already fast, tough, have some SICK teeth, and are just overall quite powerful. You don't really need 3 more, which is precisely why I suggested put this over to the KDF side, since they need some loving. A raptor 3 pack would be very interesting, especially a science heavy raptor of some kind, something I think is lacking atm. In fact science heavy ANYTHING on the KDF side is missing, so I would suggest you put some stuff up on those sub-forums, since your ideas seem pretty good to me.
I don't play Klingon, these aren't the KDF forums (these are forums for Federation ships), sooo... while I support them getting more ships, beyond that I just don't care. I'm not going to spend any time thinking about Klingon ships, and it would probably be a waste anyway since KDF players apparently don't buy those C-Store ships.
If you care about KDF players getting KDF ships, then you can go on over to the KDF forums (--> right here <--) and make a post yourself. I'm sure not gonna, and you seem a hell of a lot more passionate about KDF than I am.
I don't see the harm in an Escort 3-pack. In fact, I think it's inevitable, because we all know it would sell, even if it does retread some of the same ground as other ships. They could still design a sleek and fun aesthetic for it, and come up with some pretty awesome special console abilities.
I know you aren't intentionally being an ***hole, but you come across as one with that last post. I know exactly where the KDF forums are. They're right under the fed ones thanks. I also find it highly amusing that you think KDF players don't get things from the C-store, when I know for a fact that they do. I see way too many aceton assimilators and bio-neurals in PvE and PvP to even consider otherwise, to say nothing of the sheer number of Kar'fis running around. All of which come from the C-store. HERP.
As for the rest of your post, the only reason I suggested you post there is because they are in need of those kinds of ships, and the feds aren't. There is no reason at all to add in more fed escorts. They have one that fills each niche quite nicely as I previously posted.
And no, an escort 3-pack is NOT inevitable. Far from it.
While I agree with you that we do not need an Escort 3 pack as we obviously have a diverse bunch of escorts to choose from which fill all the various rolls as was already mentioned. I'm willing to bet Cryptic will put out a pack eventually, they obviously love their escorts.
as we got escort cruisers science type cruisers i think we need a science escort
We have a science escort. Advanced Escort and all it's variants. And that ship you mentioned is already in game, the Trident Class.
Then go post there, and stop harping on about KDF here. This isn't the place to discuss KDF ships. I don't care about KDF ships. If you care, then go on over there and talk about it.
Cryptic themselves said that many KDF ships put up on the C-Store just weren't profitable, which is why they don't make a lot of them. Maybe some are, but it's clearly not worth their time compared to Federation ships. That's just the way it is.
You may see a lot of those things, but that doesn't mean people are buying those things in droves. Keep in mind that your personal experience is not the same thing as hard facts. If KDF players were buying a lot of C-Store KDF ships, then Cryptic would make more.
How do you know? We know Federation ships make money, we know 3-packs make money, and we know Escorts make money. It would be foolish of Cryptic not to make an escort 3-pack, because of how much money it would make. We all hope they'll take their time with it so that escort has a great design and doesn't break the game, but it's coming eventually.
On top of that, your cited examples of what KDF players buy included two examples of unique equipment -- a console and a weapon. You keep harping on about how there are ships out there already that fill a niche, but forget how awesome unique weapons and console powers can be. They would still make those escorts unique even if they did perform similarly to other escorts.
Anyway, stop bringing up the KDF. If you want to talk about KDF, go to their forums. I'm just going to mentally white out every sentence that has "KDF" in it from now on, because, for one last time, I do not care about the KDF.