Ok now I am pretty sure you're being an ***hole on purpose. And I can respect that since I honestly don't care. But I will simply state what I have been saying this whole time. There are no gaps in the escort line-up. They closed the last of those gaps with the Steamrunner. And ffs, there is an escort with carrier pets. We don't need more escorts. The ship line-up for the feds is fine.
I'm sorry you're so passionate and angry that you're reduced to profanity and name-calling.
Anyway, you seem to have forgotten that for about two and a half years, STO was basically "Cruisers Online, guest starring a few escorts and science ships." Since the Odyssey came out, we've seen (off the top of my head now):
*Maybe I could count the Vesta three times since there are small differences between each ship, but to be sporting I won't since they're still so similar. **This is admittedly an assumption, given that its stats haven't been released yet. ***Priced outside of reasonable access for the average player. ****Awful. Just awful. More on that later.
Basically, we've seen Cryptic catching Science ships and Escort ships up to where Cruisers were. There's nothing wrong with that! We do have a fairly balanced setup Fed-side, and I've never said we didn't.
You know what we don't have, though? A proper Starfleet response to Birds-of-Prey. I'm not talking about battle cloak, either -- I don't care about battle cloaks, or indeed cloaking devices at all. I swapped my Defiant's cloak out for a Subspace Jump console, and only use the Cloak when I'm doing PVP (and even then, not all the time).
The Aquarius is a step towards that, with its decreased hull HP and low Shield Modifier. That's just it, though... the Aquarius is basically the base stats of the Defiant, with reduced Weapons Slots, Hull and Shields, and some universal stations. It's a crippled warship. It doesn't even have a better turn rate than the Defiant.
So what, you ask, would I want from a proper Escort 3-pack? Something succeeding where Aquarius has failed. A super fast, nimble destroyer with a fun gimmick that sets it apart from the Bird-of-Prey. BoPs succeed (in theory) based on their Battle Cloaks, doing hit-and-run attacks. If Cryptic put their minds to it, they could put in proper small Destroyers for the Fed side that were fun to play without being direct copies off of the BoP.
And, hell, maybe they could make a dual-release out of it! New Destroyers for the Feds, new BoPs for the KDF, just like they did with the Odyssey and Bortas'qu.
You say there's no niche left to fill, I say you aren't using your imagination. And leave the immature name-calling out of the conversation next time you post, please.
Profanity and name calling he says? Simple statement of fact say I.
However your analysis as interesting as it is, does have a few holes. For starters, the Chimera and Mobius/Krenn are not escorts, they are hybrid destroyers. Reasons? They can out-tank most other escorts (other than the JAS) if built properly, but they cannot out-damage most other escorts. Also you missed the Fleet Regent and Fleet Excelsior. However I do appreciate you bringing the rest of that information to the forefront.
However, now that you have stated what you actually want:
I can stop being devil's advocate and actually have an intellectual discussion with you.
You said you would want a ship that was fast and nimble like the aquarius. I can respect that, and actually approve of this idea. But if you wanted a ship like that, it would have to make similar sacrifices to what BoPs have, which is decreased console and BOff slot counts. It would also be forced to rely on hit and fade tactics like the BoPs.
Another thing you would run into is a HUGE wall of NO from the KDF community, many of whom feel strongly about fed players infringing on what is supposed to be KDF exclusive content, like carriers, cloak, and raiders. What you would be asking for is a raider, plain and simple. Now as much as I think it's at least an interesting idea, the amount of resistance you will be hitting is quite strong. Just an FYI.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Profanity and name calling he says? Simple statement of fact say I.
Who was the first one to bring profanity and name-calling into this discussion? Hint: it wasn't me. I think a variation of "he who smelt it, delt it" is appropriate here. You're the one who decided to resort to base vulgarity over a simple discussion just because I said I don't care about KDF, and I think that says a lot more about you than it does about me.
However your analysis as interesting as it is, does have a few holes. For starters, the Chimera and Mobius/Krenn are not escorts, they are hybrid destroyers. Reasons? They can out-tank most other escorts (other than the JAS) if built properly, but they cannot out-damage most other escorts. Also you missed the Fleet Regent and Fleet Excelsior. However I do appreciate you bringing the rest of that information to the forefront.
Obviously, I didn't include any Fleet ships at all, since all Fleet ships are just suped-up versions of existing ships, and aren't really relevant.
The Chimera and Mobius are both classified as Escorts... but if you want to say they aren't escorts, then you're actually poking holes in your own argument about there not being gaps in the Escort line-up. I'm gonna leave that alone, though.
However, now that you have stated what you actually want:
I can stop being devil's advocate and actually have an intellectual discussion with you.
You said you would want a ship that was fast and nimble like the aquarius. I can respect that, and actually approve of this idea. But if you wanted a ship like that, it would have to make similar sacrifices to what BoPs have, which is decreased console and BOff slot counts. It would also be forced to rely on hit and fade tactics like the BoPs.
Another thing you would run into is a HUGE wall of NO from the KDF community, many of whom feel strongly about fed players infringing on what is supposed to be KDF exclusive content, like carriers, cloak, and raiders. What you would be asking for is a raider, plain and simple. Now as much as I think it's at least an interesting idea, the amount of resistance you will be hitting is quite strong. Just an FYI.
The Federation already has a "raider"... it just blows hard. The Aquarius makes many sacrifices that the BoPs make, just with none of the benefits. Cryptic needs to provide something substantially better if it's not going to buff the Aquarius.
For the record, though, I never stated that I wanted anything else besides an Escort 3-pack. You said there wasn't room for more escorts, though, so I came up with something that actually could fit in. All I did was think about it a little bit, something you didn't seem willing to do in your blind resistance to adding more Federation escorts.
Who was the first one to bring profanity and name-calling into this discussion? Hint: it wasn't me. I think a variation of "he who smelt it, delt it" is appropriate here. You're the one who decided to resort to base vulgarity over a simple discussion just because I said I don't care about KDF, and I think that says a lot more about you than it does about me.
Obviously, I didn't include any Fleet ships at all, since all Fleet ships are just suped-up versions of existing ships, and aren't really relevant.
The Chimera and Mobius are both classified as Escorts... but if you want to say they aren't escorts, then you're actually poking holes in your own argument about there not being gaps in the Escort line-up. I'm gonna leave that alone, though.
The Federation already has a "raider"... it just blows hard. The Aquarius makes many sacrifices that the BoPs make, just with none of the benefits. Cryptic needs to provide something substantially better if it's not going to buff the Aquarius.
For the record, though, I never stated that I wanted anything else besides an Escort 3-pack. You said there wasn't room for more escorts, though, so I came up with something that actually could fit in. All I did was think about it a little bit, something you didn't seem willing to do in your blind resistance to adding more Federation escorts.
*sigh*...
And this is why so many people weep for this generation... I throw him a bone and he spits in my face... why am I not surprised?
You say I am blindly against adding another escort? I say you are blindly FOR adding escorts. Your signature picture alone says that. As is, I feel sorry for you and your blind ignorance to other points of view, and hope you find some way to get over yourself sometime in the near future. Good luck!
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
And this is why so many people weep for this generation... I throw him a bone and he spits in my face... why am I not surprised?
You say I am blindly against adding another escort? I say you are blindly FOR adding escorts. Your signature picture alone says that. As is, I feel sorry for you and your blind ignorance to other points of view, and hope you find some way to get over yourself sometime in the near future. Good luck!
You call saying,
Profanity and name calling he says? Simple statement of fact say I.
throwing me a bone? You always insult people when you try to make nice? And you're weeping for "this generation" (note that you have no idea how old I am) based on, and I'm going to make this perfectly clear by setting it apart all on its own...
You engaging in a personal attack against me with name-calling and profanity, while I do not do the same.
Where I come from, name-calling and profanity is not a good thing. And a simple spirited debate on an internet forum is all it took to draw that out of you.
I feel sorry for you, and the people around you, if you think it's acceptable behavior to talk like that to anyone without sufficient provocation. And, again, a simple debate on an Internet forum is not sufficient provocation, since I never personally attacked you, nor used any profanity regarding your character.
Your point of view was "no more Fed escorts", a position you staunchly refused to let go of. Mine was, hey, maybe there is room! Maybe Cryptic can make something fun. Let's use our imaginations instead of saying, "Nope, no more new ships FOREVER!".
So who's really the stubborn, ignorant, immature one here?
I'm going to play the role of diplomat (inspiration: Captain Picard) here, since the last thing we need is a firefight in these forums.
Yes, Cryptic has been ignoring Escorts for a while. We can only hope that the next Escort to be released is a Mirror version (although Mirror ships are hardly anything to get excited about).
The Aquarius is the best attempt on the Starfleet side to build a ship equivalent to a Klingon Bird-of-Prey. But remember, the Klingons are an aggressive race, they are designing their ships with war in mind. Starfleet is a peacekeeping organization - although they do have muscle, their purpose is not to conquer. Therefore, you can't expect to demand Starfleet to change its entire outlook and build Defiant-of-Preys or Aquarius-of-Preys. That's not their nature.
I'd say the Aquarius should be able to match the BoP in tactical and damage potential ONLY. However, it's unique perk would be the ability to have improved maneuverability and durability on one condition: Other Aquarius escorts must be present and in range to buff the main player's Aquarius, and even in that case, only one Aquarius would get the improvement perk. The other Aquarius would be flying as normal.
It's a little complicated and even a little unfair, but it's a better proposal than adding an actual full-out escort (which breaks canon, game stability, and Gene Roddenberry's vision of the Federation Starfleet), or having the existing "escort stall" we're having now.
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I'm going to play the role of diplomat (inspiration: Captain Picard) here, since the last thing we need is a firefight in these forums.
Yes, Cryptic has been ignoring Escorts for a while. We can only hope that the next Escort to be released is a Mirror version (although Mirror ships are hardly anything to get excited about).
The Aquarius is the best attempt on the Starfleet side to build a ship equivalent to a Klingon Bird-of-Prey. But remember, the Klingons are an aggressive race, they are designing their ships with war in mind. Starfleet is a peacekeeping organization - although they do have muscle, their purpose is not to conquer. Therefore, you can't expect to demand Starfleet to change its entire outlook and build Defiant-of-Preys or Aquarius-of-Preys. That's not their nature.
I'd say the Aquarius should be able to match the BoP in tactical and damage potential ONLY. However, it's unique perk would be the ability to have improved maneuverability and durability on one condition: Other Aquarius escorts must be present and in range to buff the main player's Aquarius, and even in that case, only one Aquarius would get the improvement perk. The other Aquarius would be flying as normal.
It's a little complicated and even a little unfair, but it's a better proposal than adding an actual full-out escort (which breaks canon, game stability, and Gene Roddenberry's vision of the Federation Starfleet), or having the existing "escort stall" we're having now.
I wouldn't really go so far as to say we're having an "escort stall" or anything. Cryptic has been beefing up the Escort and Science ship selection a lot more than it was when the game went F2P, when the only T5 Escort options were Patrol (then Fleet), Advanced/MVAE, and Defiant-R.
STO is already a long way away from Gene Roddenberry's vision for the franchise, though. It is pretty sad, but it's true -- the game is mostly about fighting, and features several wars going on, as well as a lot of aggressive Federation characters.
We've already seen ample evidence of the Federation gearing up its warships, too, so... a Raider-style Escort is not really all that out of character anymore, given what's already established in the game.
throwing me a bone? You always insult people when you try to make nice? And you're weeping for "this generation" (note that you have no idea how old I am) based on, and I'm going to make this perfectly clear by setting it apart all on its own...
You engaging in a personal attack against me with name-calling and profanity, while I do not do the same.
Where I come from, name-calling and profanity is not a good thing. And a simple spirited debate on an internet forum is all it took to draw that out of you.
I feel sorry for you, and the people around you, if you think it's acceptable behavior to talk like that to anyone without sufficient provocation. And, again, a simple debate on an Internet forum is not sufficient provocation, since I never personally attacked you, nor used any profanity regarding your character.
Your point of view was "no more Fed escorts", a position you staunchly refused to let go of. Mine was, hey, maybe there is room! Maybe Cryptic can make something fun. Let's use our imaginations instead of saying, "Nope, no more new ships FOREVER!".
So who's really the stubborn, ignorant, immature one here?
Heh... I thank you sir. Your post was highly amusing, if nothing else. I have engaged in no such thing as... how did you put it? Ah yes, "engaging in personal attacks", used no form of profanity or name calling. If you are referring to my comment involving the rear nether regions, you will notice I never called you one, but mentioned your behavior was akin to one. However if you feel that I was saying your behavior was directly linked to your person, I apologize for not being more... precise with my statements.
I also feel I must inform you that you have no idea who I am, how old I am, or what I do with my life, and I know nothing of what I just listed about you either. I think what I find most amusing is the fact that I commented on my staunch opposition against the addition of more escorts (a very nice and well mannered way of putting it, thank you) and because that was not akin to your ideas, you overreacted and started to just blatantly ignore all the evidence contrary to your ideas, presented by not only myself but a number of other posters here.
And as for the throwing you a bone? I was opening up a place for discussion involving your Federation Raider idea (something I still would like to hear more about), but instead you chose to either ignore or put low priority on that part of my posts, instead focusing on my commentary on your behavior and how it was akin to the rear end nether regions. That sir, is immature and ignorant. If you are as refined as you claim to be, you would have ignored the insults (if you see them as such) to begin with, and instead focused on the constructive portions.
As is, you chose not to, so you instead wasted your time defending yourself when it is completely unnecessary.
Now with that rather long and polite commentary out of the way, what kind of stats did you have in mind for your raider? What kind of tactics would you have users use to maximize this ship's effectiveness, and what role did you envision for your ship?
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Heh... I thank you sir. Your post was highly amusing, if nothing else. I have engaged in no such thing as... how did you put it? Ah yes, "engaging in personal attacks", used no form of profanity or name calling. If you are referring to my comment involving the rear nether regions, you will notice I never called you one, but mentioned your behavior was akin to one. However if you feel that I was saying your behavior was directly linked to your person, I apologize for not being more... precise with my statements.
I also feel I must inform you that you have no idea who I am, how old I am, or what I do with my life, and I know nothing of what I just listed about you either. I think what I find most amusing is the fact that I commented on my staunch opposition against the addition of more escorts (a very nice and well mannered way of putting it, thank you) and because that was not akin to your ideas, you overreacted and started to just blatantly ignore all the evidence contrary to your ideas, presented by not only myself but a number of other posters here.
And as for the throwing you a bone? I was opening up a place for discussion involving your Federation Raider idea (something I still would like to hear more about), but instead you chose to either ignore or put low priority on that part of my posts, instead focusing on my commentary on your behavior and how it was akin to the rear end nether regions. That sir, is immature and ignorant. If you are as refined as you claim to be, you would have ignored the insults (if you see them as such) to begin with, and instead focused on the constructive portions.
As is, you chose not to, so you instead wasted your time defending yourself when it is completely unnecessary.
It's not really so much about defending myself as pointing out your ridiculous behavior.
Simply because I disagreed with you, you told me I was acting like an "***hole". It clearly doesn't occur to you that there's a lot of middle ground between me not caring about the KDF, and behaving like an "***hole". I was on the other side of a debate from you, so of course you assume there's hostility where there isn't... and so you manage to manufacture your own.
Now you're acting smug and superior, after having insulted me. I still maintain that your behavior is actually pretty terrible, and your manners lacking. As a matter of fact, I admit that your terrible behavior is a lot more interesting for me to discuss right now than starships, because if you actually think this way... you need a little help on your interpersonal skills.
Now with that rather long and polite commentary out of the way, what kind of stats did you have in mind for your raider? What kind of tactics would you have users use to maximize this ship's effectiveness, and what role did you envision for your ship?
Not only do we both know you don't actually care about that, but if you had really read my relevant posts on this matter, you'd know that I just made that up as a counter-example to your position, which was "there are no niches for new escorts". I thought about it, created an example, and you're latching onto it like having a raider would be my dream.
I was just saying, there's room to grow with new ships in the game. I'm not trying to theorycraft any new ships. I don't really want to.
Are you going to tell me that Cryptic shouldn't grow the game? That they should never add new ships, just because all roles are filled? Can you convince me that no new ships wouldn't lead to a stagnation of the game, or do you have some ideas for an effective and compelling alternate advancement?
It's not really so much about defending myself as pointing out your ridiculous behavior.
Simply because I disagreed with you, you told me I was acting like an "***hole". It clearly doesn't occur to you that there's a lot of middle ground between me not caring about the KDF, and behaving like an "***hole". I was on the other side of a debate from you, so of course you assume there's hostility where there isn't... and so you manage to manufacture your own.
Now you're acting smug and superior, after having insulted me. I still maintain that your behavior is actually pretty terrible, and your manners lacking. As a matter of fact, I admit that your terrible behavior is a lot more interesting for me to discuss right now than starships, because if you actually think this way... you need a little help on your interpersonal skills.
Alas, if only you actually knew what you were talking about in this department.
Not only do we both know you don't actually care about that, but if you had really read my relevant posts on this matter, you'd know that I just made that up as a counter-example to your position, which was "there are no niches for new escorts". I thought about it, created an example, and you're latching onto it like having a raider would be my dream.
I was just saying, there's room to grow with new ships in the game. I'm not trying to theorycraft any new ships. I don't really want to.
Are you going to tell me that Cryptic shouldn't grow the game? That they should never add new ships, just because all roles are filled? Can you convince me that no new ships wouldn't lead to a stagnation of the game, or do you have some ideas for an effective and compelling alternate advancement?
The sad part is that I was actually kind of hoping you did have an idea and weren't just blowing your horn. As is, you don't have an actual idea here, so I will have to go back to being condescending, smug, and immature, as you would put it. I really was hoping you'd be able to get past this, but your apparent fascination with my "behavior" (if you can call a post on and online forum behavior) is pretty sad.
Your ideas are stupid blah blah blah, you're stupid blah blah blah.
That over and done with, if you had actually read what I said, you would see that yes, I do have ideas for alternate advancement. It's called finish out the (insert white out here) KDF faction. And if you read the rest of the forums, you will see ideas all over. I don't think this game is heading towards stagnation. On the contrary, I see it heading towards lots of new growth. That don't involve escort 3-packs.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Ladies and gentlemen, that is what a braying donkey types like.
I like this guy, especially his attempts to illicit an aggravated response from me. You amuse me. Keep on going, I want to see what else you have that I can laugh at. Dance for me jester! Dance!
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
I like this guy, especially his attempts to illicit an aggravated response from me. You amuse me. Keep on going, I want to see what else you have that I can laugh at. Dance for me jester! Dance!
behavior
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manner of behaving or acting.
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contentedly confident of one's ability, superiority, or correctness; complacent; excessively self-satisfied.
You came in here and told someone they were acting like an "***hole" just because they disagreed with you about a video game.
I don't really think there's anything left to say about that.
behavior
be?hav?ior
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manner of behaving or acting.
smug
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adjective, smug?ger, smug?gest.
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contentedly confident of one's ability, superiority, or correctness; complacent; excessively self-satisfied.
You came in here and told someone they were acting like an "***hole" just because they disagreed with you about a video game.
I don't really think there's anything left to say about that.
You were called a posterior opening due to your manner of disagreeing. If you actually read your post, you are being quite the sanctimonious posterior opening. It's quite amusing.
Carry on dancing jester, I am gaining much entertainment from your attempts at counter-arguing.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
You were called a posterior opening due to your manner of disagreeing. If you actually read your post, you are being quite the sanctimonious posterior opening. It's quite amusing.
Carry on dancing jester, I am gaining much entertainment from your attempts at counter-arguing.
I don't think "dancing jester" is winning anyone to your side. I think it's funny you think it's even, like, a thing people say, but whatever.
Frankly I'm getting to be pretty ashamed that I'm still in this circle jerk of a "debate" with you. We should both be pretty embarrassed of ourselves here. To outside observers, neither one of us comes out of this thread looking like anything more than a foaming jackass. If/when a mod gets around to this thread, I can easily see it locked or even deleted at this point.
You really should take an objective look at your behavior here, though. I know it's the Internet, and when you're anonymous you can act however you want... but that doesn't mean you should.
And if you really, genuinely believe your behavior is acceptable and mine wasn't, then... wow. The way your mind spins is frightening, and I'd rather cut myself loose from your unfortunate madness.
lol this discussion dissolved like over night into a fight. Easy fix
Just because we want something does not mean we will get it. But that does not mean we do not want it. I want the Buccaneers to win another super bowlm I talk about it all the time, will I get it? Prolly not.
And no one has the right to tell anyone that they can't have what they want when they are also standing in line next to them. It's like saying "I'm standing in this line to get over there to get what I want, but you can't stand in that line over there with your money and purchase hat you want because we (We as in you and I and us) Do not need another escort in this game, what we need is more cruisers! (Though we have way more cruisers then escorts, but what we need is more cruisers! Cruisers FTW!)"
Talk about douche bagging it up.
None of us are game developers for cryptic or lawyers for perfect world, or mouth pieces or any of the sort for this COMPANY we are all gamers that enjoy the game and have an opinion and you know what they say about opinions.... so who are we, as in you and I and us to tell someone who is willing to pay out the ducats to get what they want that they can't have it? Isn't that kinda creepy weird, that we are becoming some all mighty figure and taking it upon ourselves to say NO, Your idea SHALL NOT PASS (lol yup i just made this board epic, kittymomo uber to the fifth degree, get over my awesome already. jeez...)
If the guy wants a few more escorts then whats he harm and letting him speak his piece? We have a billion on Ambass, a billion on Connie, a billion on everything in the world, it's just awe striking. I have never seen sooooo many grown up cry babies in my life.... it's unreal. So what's the problem with someone else wanting something else?
If you don't like escorts of their proliferation in this game then take away their DHC's, it's the only reason why escorts are so popular anyhow. They make people feel powerful. You can't blame a ship for it's commanders decision in weapons and everything else lack of defense towards it. So you basically created this monster with all the posting of builds and such and now you are angry that players are beating that horse to death? Isn't that what they call sticker shock? Aren't we simply reaping what we sowed?
But anyway, let the guy speak his peace, do his thing, and that's for both sides, if one person wants another cruiser let him want it, if the other guy wants an escort let him want it personally I want whatever comes out and has my layout, if not i pass on it anyway. I wouldn't mind a more militaristic cruiser or bigger escort.... hmm i might as well get the chimera and settle this all.... tooo bad that never upgraded... you'd think for 300 smakers it would lol go figure.
I don't think "dancing jester" is winning anyone to your side. I think it's funny you think it's even, like, a thing people say, but whatever.
Frankly I'm getting to be pretty ashamed that I'm still in this circle jerk of a "debate" with you. We should both be pretty embarrassed of ourselves here. To outside observers, neither one of us comes out of this thread looking like anything more than a foaming jackass. If/when a mod gets around to this thread, I can easily see it locked or even deleted at this point.
You really should take an objective look at your behavior here, though. I know it's the Internet, and when you're anonymous you can act however you want... but that doesn't mean you should.
And if you really, genuinely believe your behavior is acceptable and mine wasn't, then... wow. The way your mind spins is frightening, and I'd rather cut myself loose from your unfortunate madness.
I was wondering how long it would take for you to figure out how silly the both of us looked. But I am glad it only took one more post.
Yes, I am against the addition of more escorts. I am also against the addition of more cruisers. We have waaaay too bloody many of both. I am also against the addition of more science ships, since again, we have plenty of those too.
You never asked what it was I wanted, so I just held my peace in that department, but this is more for lasionos benefit than yours. You say I want the game to stagnate, and don't want more ships? That's not true. I do want more ships, but not any of the classic 3 types we already have. I personally would want to see more hybrids in the game, more warship and destroyer class ships. Ships like the Chel'gret. So you wanted my alternate ideas for advancement? Put in more destroyers/Warships. More hybrids. They do a great job, and give you more versatility for any given situation.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
I don't think "dancing jester" is winning anyone to your side. I think it's funny you think it's even, like, a thing people say, but whatever.
Frankly I'm getting to be pretty ashamed that I'm still in this circle jerk of a "debate" with you. We should both be pretty embarrassed of ourselves here. To outside observers, neither one of us comes out of this thread looking like anything more than a foaming jackass. If/when a mod gets around to this thread, I can easily see it locked or even deleted at this point.
You really should take an objective look at your behavior here, though. I know it's the Internet, and when you're anonymous you can act however you want... but that doesn't mean you should.
And if you really, genuinely believe your behavior is acceptable and mine wasn't, then... wow. The way your mind spins is frightening, and I'd rather cut myself loose from your unfortunate madness.
I was wondering how long it would take for you to figure out how silly the both of us looked. But I am glad it only took one more post.
Yes, I am against the addition of more escorts. I am also against the addition of more cruisers. We have waaaay too bloody many of both. I am also against the addition of more science ships, since again, we have plenty of those too.
You never asked what it was I wanted, so I just held my peace in that department, but this is more for lasionos benefit than yours. You say I want the game to stagnate, and don't want more ships? That's not true. I do want more ships, but not any of the classic 3 types we already have. I personally would want to see more hybrids in the game, more warship and destroyer class ships. Ships like the Chel'gret. So you wanted my alternate ideas for advancement? Put in more destroyers/Warships. More hybrids. They do a great job, and give you more versatility for any given situation.
I'd have to agree with hereticknight. Diverse ships are needed in this game, and it looks like over the past year (with the exception of the Odyssey), most ships are becoming hybridized anyways. Although we do need a replacement to the "true" escorts, I don't believe that would help balance the PVP in this game, and I'm happy with the ship balancing we have right now.
Also, hereticknight was trying to continue his discussion about the escorts, while thratch, you're just looking for some attention, or to preserve your ego. Sorry to say, but that doesn't help you at all.
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I'd have to agree with hereticknight. Diverse ships are needed in this game, and it looks like over the past year (with the exception of the Odyssey), most ships are becoming hybridized anyways. Although we do need a replacement to the "true" escorts, I don't believe that would help balance the PVP in this game, and I'm happy with the ship balancing we have right now.
Also, hereticknight was trying to continue his discussion about the escorts, while thratch, you're just looking for some attention, or to preserve your ego. Sorry to say, but that doesn't help you at all.
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If you say so. I actually brought up Destroyers a while ago, while Heretic decided to act smug and insulting, and then called me a "dancing jester", at which point I decided it wasn't really... worth arguing with him anymore.
I can forgive you not actually reading all the posts, though! That was a lot of awful internet arguing. Heretic wasn't trying to continue the argument, he was actually changing his constantly.
If you say so. I actually brought up Destroyers a while ago, while Heretic decided to act smug and insulting, and then called me a "dancing jester", at which point I decided it wasn't really... worth arguing with him anymore.
I can forgive you not actually reading all the posts, though! That was a lot of awful internet arguing. Heretic wasn't trying to continue the argument, he was actually changing his constantly.
In the post I created before this one, I specifically colour-coded the sections of both you and hereticknight's conversations. You continued to defend your position and rant about his derogatory comments, while hereticknight moved on and got back on track with his position about having hybrid ships. I suggest you move on as well.
And while I did not read each post in-depth (yes, it was a lot of reading, and a lot off-topic), I did in fact read both yours and hereticknight's arguments about "Moar Escorts!" and "No, we have enough Escorts". As with any argument, when people have empathy, they do realize a different viewpoint and adjust their stances on topics. You can't freeze his opinions; they are his own, and he can adapt them to the current situation as he sees fit. And it's not wrong to do so either; it's showing a bit of care for the other person.
ANYWAYS... This thread is for the Three Year Anniversary Ship, so let's get on with that, shall we? Anyone like/dislike the Ambassador?
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As with any argument, when people have empathy, they do realize a different viewpoint and adjust their stances on topics. You can't freeze his opinions; they are his own, and he can adapt them to the current situation as he sees fit. And it's not wrong to do so either; it's showing a bit of care for the other person.
I don't think "having empathy" includes calling the other person an "**hole" for having a different opinion.
lol dam it kittymomo... they are still arguing....
Hmm how long till one concedes and the talk resumes?
I personally like the idea of more ships, I wish there was more to do but it's sand box at end game and we have to entertain ourselves. More ships may not help that. There is no balance in this game. Escorts beat cruisers and sci ships beat everything, cruisers are just their looking and asking "Which way did he go George? Which way did he go" (If anyone gets this awesome refernce you get two kittymomo brigade stickers and shoiuld consider yourself awesome
Anyhow. I wouldn't mind if they stopped focusing on ships for a bit and started focusing on things for the community. like warring events, or something gooey like romance or something. Heck i wouldn't mind going to star fleet academy to attend a class or two, make it an event or something. Or to conquer a planet or to join the secret cultic section 13 or 31 or whatever the hell it is... those guys creep me out!
Anyhow if we get another ship i'm cool beans with it, if not then meh I like my PE anyway.
So let's resume the talk and leave the chair tossing and table flipping at home gentlemen, Meor!
The Ambassador. I'm disappointed that we're getting another cruiser, but delighted that we are getting another iconic Star Trek ship.
My only request is this:
Perhaps as a C-Store variant? If it's actually a competitive ship with the Odyssey, I'd buy that in the next ship sale.
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I don't play Klingon, these aren't the KDF forums (these are forums for Federation ships), sooo... while I support them getting more ships, beyond that I just don't care. I'm not going to spend any time thinking about Klingon ships, and it would probably be a waste anyway since KDF players apparently don't buy those C-Store ships. You are being rather condescending, sanctimonious, and downright rude here. And as stated before, LOTS of KDF players buy LOTS of C-store stuff. They are just so badly outnumbered by the feds, that their purchases (many of which buy large amounts of c-store items for multiple KDF toons) are almost unnoticeable.
I know you aren't intentionally being an ***hole, but you come across as one with that last post. Note: I did not call you an ***hole here. I simply said you came across as one. There is a difference.
I don't think "having empathy" includes calling the other person an "**hole" for having a different opinion. As you can see, your ENTIRE argument is null simply because for starters, I never called you one, and it wasn't in reference to your biased view towards escorts, it was in reference towards your outright dismissal of the KDF.
Quotes from posts. You were being rude and condescending towards this part of the game, and I responded in kind. So sorry to say that you started it, and I was simply going along, since I figured that would be the best approach to getting through to you. Case and point. Prosecution rests.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Well, as I said before, I'd like to see the Probert design as a possible variant.
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I'm new to the game, and came to this thread looking for information (surprisingly there was some), but I just wanted to point out the attitude taken by guys like hectic really detracted from the thread.
Where do I find the report feature?
"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." - Aristotle
I'm new to the game, and came to this thread looking for information (surprisingly there was some), but I just wanted to point out the attitude taken by guys like hectic really detracted from the thread.
Where do I find the report feature?
What kind of information are you looking for? A friendly reminder however, that this is a thread for a new ship, not a help desk
And don't worry about reporting. We've moved on.
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Realistically, this thread was doomed to become a flame war from the first post. It was literally "So Cryptic finally decided to make this ship that people have been begging for for years and that they promised months ago. Now, why do you think that was a horrible idea?" The only question was whether anyone would agree with the OP or the flame war would be directed purely against them.
And that's coming from someone who had no interest in the Ambassador, except that now I think it might be an agile free cruiser which I'd kind of like to have so I can goof around with a cruiser without putting any actual investment into it.
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I'm sorry you're so passionate and angry that you're reduced to profanity and name-calling.
Anyway, you seem to have forgotten that for about two and a half years, STO was basically "Cruisers Online, guest starring a few escorts and science ships." Since the Odyssey came out, we've seen (off the top of my head now):
Galor (cruiser)
Ferengi D'kor Marauder (cruiser)
Assault Cruiser Refit (cruiser)
Ambassador-class (cruiser)**
Heavy Escort Carrier (escort)
Blockade Runner Escort (escort)
Chimera Heavy Destroyer (escort)***
Mobius Temporal Destroyer (escort)
Aquarius Destroyer (escort) (also, boooo)****
Atrox Carrier (science)
Tholian Orb Weaver (science)
Tholian Recluse Carrier (science)
Vesta 3-pack (science)*
Wells Temporal Vessel (science)
Breen Chet Grell Warship (Hybrid: Cruiser Weapons Loadout, Tactical Comm. Boff station, Science Device/Turn rate/Hull)
*Maybe I could count the Vesta three times since there are small differences between each ship, but to be sporting I won't since they're still so similar.
**This is admittedly an assumption, given that its stats haven't been released yet.
***Priced outside of reasonable access for the average player.
****Awful. Just awful. More on that later.
Basically, we've seen Cryptic catching Science ships and Escort ships up to where Cruisers were. There's nothing wrong with that! We do have a fairly balanced setup Fed-side, and I've never said we didn't.
You know what we don't have, though? A proper Starfleet response to Birds-of-Prey. I'm not talking about battle cloak, either -- I don't care about battle cloaks, or indeed cloaking devices at all. I swapped my Defiant's cloak out for a Subspace Jump console, and only use the Cloak when I'm doing PVP (and even then, not all the time).
The Aquarius is a step towards that, with its decreased hull HP and low Shield Modifier. That's just it, though... the Aquarius is basically the base stats of the Defiant, with reduced Weapons Slots, Hull and Shields, and some universal stations. It's a crippled warship. It doesn't even have a better turn rate than the Defiant.
So what, you ask, would I want from a proper Escort 3-pack? Something succeeding where Aquarius has failed. A super fast, nimble destroyer with a fun gimmick that sets it apart from the Bird-of-Prey. BoPs succeed (in theory) based on their Battle Cloaks, doing hit-and-run attacks. If Cryptic put their minds to it, they could put in proper small Destroyers for the Fed side that were fun to play without being direct copies off of the BoP.
And, hell, maybe they could make a dual-release out of it! New Destroyers for the Feds, new BoPs for the KDF, just like they did with the Odyssey and Bortas'qu.
You say there's no niche left to fill, I say you aren't using your imagination. And leave the immature name-calling out of the conversation next time you post, please.
Profanity and name calling he says? Simple statement of fact say I.
However your analysis as interesting as it is, does have a few holes. For starters, the Chimera and Mobius/Krenn are not escorts, they are hybrid destroyers. Reasons? They can out-tank most other escorts (other than the JAS) if built properly, but they cannot out-damage most other escorts. Also you missed the Fleet Regent and Fleet Excelsior. However I do appreciate you bringing the rest of that information to the forefront.
However, now that you have stated what you actually want:
I can stop being devil's advocate and actually have an intellectual discussion with you.
You said you would want a ship that was fast and nimble like the aquarius. I can respect that, and actually approve of this idea. But if you wanted a ship like that, it would have to make similar sacrifices to what BoPs have, which is decreased console and BOff slot counts. It would also be forced to rely on hit and fade tactics like the BoPs.
Another thing you would run into is a HUGE wall of NO from the KDF community, many of whom feel strongly about fed players infringing on what is supposed to be KDF exclusive content, like carriers, cloak, and raiders. What you would be asking for is a raider, plain and simple. Now as much as I think it's at least an interesting idea, the amount of resistance you will be hitting is quite strong. Just an FYI.
Who was the first one to bring profanity and name-calling into this discussion? Hint: it wasn't me. I think a variation of "he who smelt it, delt it" is appropriate here. You're the one who decided to resort to base vulgarity over a simple discussion just because I said I don't care about KDF, and I think that says a lot more about you than it does about me.
Obviously, I didn't include any Fleet ships at all, since all Fleet ships are just suped-up versions of existing ships, and aren't really relevant.
The Chimera and Mobius are both classified as Escorts... but if you want to say they aren't escorts, then you're actually poking holes in your own argument about there not being gaps in the Escort line-up. I'm gonna leave that alone, though.
The Federation already has a "raider"... it just blows hard. The Aquarius makes many sacrifices that the BoPs make, just with none of the benefits. Cryptic needs to provide something substantially better if it's not going to buff the Aquarius.
For the record, though, I never stated that I wanted anything else besides an Escort 3-pack. You said there wasn't room for more escorts, though, so I came up with something that actually could fit in. All I did was think about it a little bit, something you didn't seem willing to do in your blind resistance to adding more Federation escorts.
*sigh*...
And this is why so many people weep for this generation... I throw him a bone and he spits in my face... why am I not surprised?
You say I am blindly against adding another escort? I say you are blindly FOR adding escorts. Your signature picture alone says that. As is, I feel sorry for you and your blind ignorance to other points of view, and hope you find some way to get over yourself sometime in the near future. Good luck!
You call saying, throwing me a bone? You always insult people when you try to make nice? And you're weeping for "this generation" (note that you have no idea how old I am) based on, and I'm going to make this perfectly clear by setting it apart all on its own...
You engaging in a personal attack against me with name-calling and profanity, while I do not do the same.
Where I come from, name-calling and profanity is not a good thing. And a simple spirited debate on an internet forum is all it took to draw that out of you.
I feel sorry for you, and the people around you, if you think it's acceptable behavior to talk like that to anyone without sufficient provocation. And, again, a simple debate on an Internet forum is not sufficient provocation, since I never personally attacked you, nor used any profanity regarding your character.
Your point of view was "no more Fed escorts", a position you staunchly refused to let go of. Mine was, hey, maybe there is room! Maybe Cryptic can make something fun. Let's use our imaginations instead of saying, "Nope, no more new ships FOREVER!".
So who's really the stubborn, ignorant, immature one here?
Yes, Cryptic has been ignoring Escorts for a while. We can only hope that the next Escort to be released is a Mirror version (although Mirror ships are hardly anything to get excited about).
The Aquarius is the best attempt on the Starfleet side to build a ship equivalent to a Klingon Bird-of-Prey. But remember, the Klingons are an aggressive race, they are designing their ships with war in mind. Starfleet is a peacekeeping organization - although they do have muscle, their purpose is not to conquer. Therefore, you can't expect to demand Starfleet to change its entire outlook and build Defiant-of-Preys or Aquarius-of-Preys. That's not their nature.
I'd say the Aquarius should be able to match the BoP in tactical and damage potential ONLY. However, it's unique perk would be the ability to have improved maneuverability and durability on one condition: Other Aquarius escorts must be present and in range to buff the main player's Aquarius, and even in that case, only one Aquarius would get the improvement perk. The other Aquarius would be flying as normal.
It's a little complicated and even a little unfair, but it's a better proposal than adding an actual full-out escort (which breaks canon, game stability, and Gene Roddenberry's vision of the Federation Starfleet), or having the existing "escort stall" we're having now.
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I wouldn't really go so far as to say we're having an "escort stall" or anything. Cryptic has been beefing up the Escort and Science ship selection a lot more than it was when the game went F2P, when the only T5 Escort options were Patrol (then Fleet), Advanced/MVAE, and Defiant-R.
STO is already a long way away from Gene Roddenberry's vision for the franchise, though. It is pretty sad, but it's true -- the game is mostly about fighting, and features several wars going on, as well as a lot of aggressive Federation characters.
We've already seen ample evidence of the Federation gearing up its warships, too, so... a Raider-style Escort is not really all that out of character anymore, given what's already established in the game.
Heh... I thank you sir. Your post was highly amusing, if nothing else. I have engaged in no such thing as... how did you put it? Ah yes, "engaging in personal attacks", used no form of profanity or name calling. If you are referring to my comment involving the rear nether regions, you will notice I never called you one, but mentioned your behavior was akin to one. However if you feel that I was saying your behavior was directly linked to your person, I apologize for not being more... precise with my statements.
I also feel I must inform you that you have no idea who I am, how old I am, or what I do with my life, and I know nothing of what I just listed about you either. I think what I find most amusing is the fact that I commented on my staunch opposition against the addition of more escorts (a very nice and well mannered way of putting it, thank you) and because that was not akin to your ideas, you overreacted and started to just blatantly ignore all the evidence contrary to your ideas, presented by not only myself but a number of other posters here.
And as for the throwing you a bone? I was opening up a place for discussion involving your Federation Raider idea (something I still would like to hear more about), but instead you chose to either ignore or put low priority on that part of my posts, instead focusing on my commentary on your behavior and how it was akin to the rear end nether regions. That sir, is immature and ignorant. If you are as refined as you claim to be, you would have ignored the insults (if you see them as such) to begin with, and instead focused on the constructive portions.
As is, you chose not to, so you instead wasted your time defending yourself when it is completely unnecessary.
Now with that rather long and polite commentary out of the way, what kind of stats did you have in mind for your raider? What kind of tactics would you have users use to maximize this ship's effectiveness, and what role did you envision for your ship?
It's not really so much about defending myself as pointing out your ridiculous behavior.
Simply because I disagreed with you, you told me I was acting like an "***hole". It clearly doesn't occur to you that there's a lot of middle ground between me not caring about the KDF, and behaving like an "***hole". I was on the other side of a debate from you, so of course you assume there's hostility where there isn't... and so you manage to manufacture your own.
Now you're acting smug and superior, after having insulted me. I still maintain that your behavior is actually pretty terrible, and your manners lacking. As a matter of fact, I admit that your terrible behavior is a lot more interesting for me to discuss right now than starships, because if you actually think this way... you need a little help on your interpersonal skills.
Not only do we both know you don't actually care about that, but if you had really read my relevant posts on this matter, you'd know that I just made that up as a counter-example to your position, which was "there are no niches for new escorts". I thought about it, created an example, and you're latching onto it like having a raider would be my dream.
I was just saying, there's room to grow with new ships in the game. I'm not trying to theorycraft any new ships. I don't really want to.
Are you going to tell me that Cryptic shouldn't grow the game? That they should never add new ships, just because all roles are filled? Can you convince me that no new ships wouldn't lead to a stagnation of the game, or do you have some ideas for an effective and compelling alternate advancement?
Alas, if only you actually knew what you were talking about in this department.
The sad part is that I was actually kind of hoping you did have an idea and weren't just blowing your horn. As is, you don't have an actual idea here, so I will have to go back to being condescending, smug, and immature, as you would put it. I really was hoping you'd be able to get past this, but your apparent fascination with my "behavior" (if you can call a post on and online forum behavior) is pretty sad.
Your ideas are stupid blah blah blah, you're stupid blah blah blah.
That over and done with, if you had actually read what I said, you would see that yes, I do have ideas for alternate advancement. It's called finish out the (insert white out here) KDF faction. And if you read the rest of the forums, you will see ideas all over. I don't think this game is heading towards stagnation. On the contrary, I see it heading towards lots of new growth. That don't involve escort 3-packs.
Ladies and gentlemen, that is what a braying donkey types like.
I like this guy, especially his attempts to illicit an aggravated response from me. You amuse me. Keep on going, I want to see what else you have that I can laugh at. Dance for me jester! Dance!
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You came in here and told someone they were acting like an "***hole" just because they disagreed with you about a video game.
I don't really think there's anything left to say about that.
You were called a posterior opening due to your manner of disagreeing. If you actually read your post, you are being quite the sanctimonious posterior opening. It's quite amusing.
Carry on dancing jester, I am gaining much entertainment from your attempts at counter-arguing.
I don't think "dancing jester" is winning anyone to your side. I think it's funny you think it's even, like, a thing people say, but whatever.
Frankly I'm getting to be pretty ashamed that I'm still in this circle jerk of a "debate" with you. We should both be pretty embarrassed of ourselves here. To outside observers, neither one of us comes out of this thread looking like anything more than a foaming jackass. If/when a mod gets around to this thread, I can easily see it locked or even deleted at this point.
You really should take an objective look at your behavior here, though. I know it's the Internet, and when you're anonymous you can act however you want... but that doesn't mean you should.
And if you really, genuinely believe your behavior is acceptable and mine wasn't, then... wow. The way your mind spins is frightening, and I'd rather cut myself loose from your unfortunate madness.
Just because we want something does not mean we will get it. But that does not mean we do not want it. I want the Buccaneers to win another super bowlm I talk about it all the time, will I get it? Prolly not.
And no one has the right to tell anyone that they can't have what they want when they are also standing in line next to them. It's like saying "I'm standing in this line to get over there to get what I want, but you can't stand in that line over there with your money and purchase hat you want because we (We as in you and I and us) Do not need another escort in this game, what we need is more cruisers! (Though we have way more cruisers then escorts, but what we need is more cruisers! Cruisers FTW!)"
Talk about douche bagging it up.
None of us are game developers for cryptic or lawyers for perfect world, or mouth pieces or any of the sort for this COMPANY we are all gamers that enjoy the game and have an opinion and you know what they say about opinions.... so who are we, as in you and I and us to tell someone who is willing to pay out the ducats to get what they want that they can't have it? Isn't that kinda creepy weird, that we are becoming some all mighty figure and taking it upon ourselves to say NO, Your idea SHALL NOT PASS (lol yup i just made this board epic, kittymomo uber to the fifth degree, get over my awesome already. jeez...)
If the guy wants a few more escorts then whats he harm and letting him speak his piece? We have a billion on Ambass, a billion on Connie, a billion on everything in the world, it's just awe striking. I have never seen sooooo many grown up cry babies in my life.... it's unreal. So what's the problem with someone else wanting something else?
If you don't like escorts of their proliferation in this game then take away their DHC's, it's the only reason why escorts are so popular anyhow. They make people feel powerful. You can't blame a ship for it's commanders decision in weapons and everything else lack of defense towards it. So you basically created this monster with all the posting of builds and such and now you are angry that players are beating that horse to death? Isn't that what they call sticker shock? Aren't we simply reaping what we sowed?
But anyway, let the guy speak his peace, do his thing, and that's for both sides, if one person wants another cruiser let him want it, if the other guy wants an escort let him want it personally I want whatever comes out and has my layout, if not i pass on it anyway. I wouldn't mind a more militaristic cruiser or bigger escort.... hmm i might as well get the chimera and settle this all.... tooo bad that never upgraded... you'd think for 300 smakers it would lol go figure.
I was wondering how long it would take for you to figure out how silly the both of us looked. But I am glad it only took one more post.
Yes, I am against the addition of more escorts. I am also against the addition of more cruisers. We have waaaay too bloody many of both. I am also against the addition of more science ships, since again, we have plenty of those too.
You never asked what it was I wanted, so I just held my peace in that department, but this is more for lasionos benefit than yours. You say I want the game to stagnate, and don't want more ships? That's not true. I do want more ships, but not any of the classic 3 types we already have. I personally would want to see more hybrids in the game, more warship and destroyer class ships. Ships like the Chel'gret. So you wanted my alternate ideas for advancement? Put in more destroyers/Warships. More hybrids. They do a great job, and give you more versatility for any given situation.
I'd have to agree with hereticknight. Diverse ships are needed in this game, and it looks like over the past year (with the exception of the Odyssey), most ships are becoming hybridized anyways. Although we do need a replacement to the "true" escorts, I don't believe that would help balance the PVP in this game, and I'm happy with the ship balancing we have right now.
Also, hereticknight was trying to continue his discussion about the escorts, while thratch, you're just looking for some attention, or to preserve your ego. Sorry to say, but that doesn't help you at all.
EDIT: Colour coded for spotting the differences.
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If you say so. I actually brought up Destroyers a while ago, while Heretic decided to act smug and insulting, and then called me a "dancing jester", at which point I decided it wasn't really... worth arguing with him anymore.
I can forgive you not actually reading all the posts, though! That was a lot of awful internet arguing. Heretic wasn't trying to continue the argument, he was actually changing his constantly.
In the post I created before this one, I specifically colour-coded the sections of both you and hereticknight's conversations. You continued to defend your position and rant about his derogatory comments, while hereticknight moved on and got back on track with his position about having hybrid ships. I suggest you move on as well.
And while I did not read each post in-depth (yes, it was a lot of reading, and a lot off-topic), I did in fact read both yours and hereticknight's arguments about "Moar Escorts!" and "No, we have enough Escorts". As with any argument, when people have empathy, they do realize a different viewpoint and adjust their stances on topics. You can't freeze his opinions; they are his own, and he can adapt them to the current situation as he sees fit. And it's not wrong to do so either; it's showing a bit of care for the other person.
ANYWAYS... This thread is for the Three Year Anniversary Ship, so let's get on with that, shall we? Anyone like/dislike the Ambassador?
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I don't think "having empathy" includes calling the other person an "**hole" for having a different opinion.
Hmm how long till one concedes and the talk resumes?
I personally like the idea of more ships, I wish there was more to do but it's sand box at end game and we have to entertain ourselves. More ships may not help that. There is no balance in this game. Escorts beat cruisers and sci ships beat everything, cruisers are just their looking and asking "Which way did he go George? Which way did he go" (If anyone gets this awesome refernce you get two kittymomo brigade stickers and shoiuld consider yourself awesome
Anyhow. I wouldn't mind if they stopped focusing on ships for a bit and started focusing on things for the community. like warring events, or something gooey like romance or something. Heck i wouldn't mind going to star fleet academy to attend a class or two, make it an event or something. Or to conquer a planet or to join the secret cultic section 13 or 31 or whatever the hell it is... those guys creep me out!
Anyhow if we get another ship i'm cool beans with it, if not then meh I like my PE anyway.
So let's resume the talk and leave the chair tossing and table flipping at home gentlemen, Meor!
The Ambassador. I'm disappointed that we're getting another cruiser, but delighted that we are getting another iconic Star Trek ship.
My only request is this:
Perhaps as a C-Store variant? If it's actually a competitive ship with the Odyssey, I'd buy that in the next ship sale.
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Quotes from posts. You were being rude and condescending towards this part of the game, and I responded in kind. So sorry to say that you started it, and I was simply going along, since I figured that would be the best approach to getting through to you. Case and point. Prosecution rests.
And I want him badly! *w*
I hope it will be a tier V vessel.
Missing the good ol' days of PvP: Legacy of Romulus to Season 9
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Where do I find the report feature?
What kind of information are you looking for? A friendly reminder however, that this is a thread for a new ship, not a help desk
And don't worry about reporting. We've moved on.
Missing the good ol' days of PvP: Legacy of Romulus to Season 9
My List of Useful Links, Recently Updated November 25 2017!
And that's coming from someone who had no interest in the Ambassador, except that now I think it might be an agile free cruiser which I'd kind of like to have so I can goof around with a cruiser without putting any actual investment into it.