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olivia211
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Yesterday in three straight STF elite runs there were at least 2 people who had multiple injuries and did absolutely nothing to take care of them. The same thing happened to me about 45 minutes ago, only this time it was three people with injuries. One even complained about him hating the fact that he kept getting one-shotted.
I think I have thought of a way to help curb this behavior of either purposely neglecting your character's health and at the same time keeping a handful of AFKers / Botters out of STFs.
I say if you have 2 or more critical wounds, your character is considered disabled and you can no longer use them for ANY runs, ground or space, until you are healed up completely. I know some of you may think this is a little much, but what is the alternative? So many people have been against the kick function we've talked about so why not something like this? Each and every time I ask someone to heal themselves they either ignore me or have the same excuse: I forgot to go buy regens. I find that hard to believe when they came into the STF with the wounds. You could even take it a step further and not allow anyone with a wound of any sort into an STF until they heal up. That would get rid of the "I forgot" factor because the game would not allow you to forget.
Here is something even more extreme, but I still think it's a good idea. If you acquire 2 or more critical wounds in an elite STF, you do not get ANY rewards associated with its completion unless you heal yourself. Then you are eligible again. Again, this will get rid of most botters and the "I forgot" issue because they will only be hurting themselves at that point if they "forget."
I know some of you will say these measures are too much, but are they really? The idea here is to improve the quality of the gaming experience and when I am having to carry 2-3 people through an STF simply because they can't remember to take care of themselves, it really brings it down and in some cases I just log off. I have always tried to be patient, but I have been on my last nerve for the past week or so.
I really like this game, but WOW is looking more and more attractive to go back to because at least there you can kick a useless / incompetent team member.
I think I have thought of a way to help curb this behavior of either purposely neglecting your character's health and at the same time keeping a handful of AFKers / Botters out of STFs.
I say if you have 2 or more critical wounds, your character is considered disabled and you can no longer use them for ANY runs, ground or space, until you are healed up completely. I know some of you may think this is a little much, but what is the alternative? So many people have been against the kick function we've talked about so why not something like this? Each and every time I ask someone to heal themselves they either ignore me or have the same excuse: I forgot to go buy regens. I find that hard to believe when they came into the STF with the wounds. You could even take it a step further and not allow anyone with a wound of any sort into an STF until they heal up. That would get rid of the "I forgot" factor because the game would not allow you to forget.
Here is something even more extreme, but I still think it's a good idea. If you acquire 2 or more critical wounds in an elite STF, you do not get ANY rewards associated with its completion unless you heal yourself. Then you are eligible again. Again, this will get rid of most botters and the "I forgot" issue because they will only be hurting themselves at that point if they "forget."
I know some of you will say these measures are too much, but are they really? The idea here is to improve the quality of the gaming experience and when I am having to carry 2-3 people through an STF simply because they can't remember to take care of themselves, it really brings it down and in some cases I just log off. I have always tried to be patient, but I have been on my last nerve for the past week or so.
I really like this game, but WOW is looking more and more attractive to go back to because at least there you can kick a useless / incompetent team member.
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Maybe instead they should reimagine the regenerator idea, and make them rewards for having mastered STFs on normal - complete every STF, with all optionals, on normal and you're the rewarded with 3 permanent regenerators, minor, major, critical, and you're then finally allowed into Elite STFs. As well as knowing how the STF works, you have no excuse to forget or be incapable of healing up. Then the number of injuries you have at the end of the STF would subtract from your dilithium reward or something.
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This ^ ^
It is a very neat idea, this does actually prepare new players in being able to complete Elites, to complete the Optional on Infected for new players is quite a task.
I doubt that Cryptic would impliment it, even the Original Post by Olivia is a good idea, I'm normally againsts players asking for limitations to Elite STF's and adding in kick buttons and AFK timers is sometimes just not the way to go about it.
Olivia will know what I'm talking about when you join a team and the entire team just kicks you... no reason... WoW maybe a fun game but the kick button can be abused by a team who just don't feel your worthy.
Kick Button - Bad Idea (can be abused)
AFK auto kick - Bad Idea (some players do actually have genuine issues with being D/C'd, Real Life issues, pets, work(working from home)etc.
(I do admit that some players are AFK Farmers... but not everyone should be treated as such).
This Regens and healing is atleast a very neat Idea, if correctly added into the game, it would cure alot of things, mainly inexperience.
Unfortunately the sorry state in which STF's are currently in with them now just being a grindfest of annoyance, I'd of said the regen idea would of been superb back with the original STF's and the Previous STF's "the ones that gave EDC's".
its all Grind Grind Grind, players will do what they will
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I'd also like to see minor regens added to the replicator.
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I ended up in an elite a few days ago where 2 of the players both had 10+ injuries, many of them critical. Seeing as its impossible to do elite ground with a 3 man pug the rest of us tried to ask them to heal their injuries, they were ignoring chat so we all left and ended up with penalties.
It was even worse in space yesterday, I had a guy with 17 damage on his ship, around 10 of it critical.
1) It doesn't negatively impact good players in any way
2) At the very least, it makes the bad sheep realize that injuries exist
3) It won't ruin already ongoing runs as they'll only be punished for the next run
I don't see any possible downsides.
It is not, however, productive to further increase the penalties that come with injuries. That would only make the problem worse.
This was part of my idea. Make it impossible for injured players to even que for an STF until they are fully healed. It seems very reasonable to me. I just can't buy this whole "I forgot" argument. There is red and yellow splattered all over the bottom of your health bar. How can you not see that?
Actually no you can't, after someone has been kicked so many times, they get an immunity to being kicked. Thus when you try to kick them it will tell you, "This player can not be kicked for another 4 hours." It will also prevent you from kicking anyone if you kick too many times in a given amount of time. So a bad player or "bot" most likely would not able to be kicked. Please stop the "wow is better because" TRIBBLE..
1. Teach the ignorant about healing.
2. Prevent other players from being unfairly disadvantaged.
3. Severely disadvantage AFKers/bots.
I never said wow was better. I said having the kick feature was nice. In few very rare instances does the sort of thing you presented happen. For instance, all the time I played wow not a single time was I ever kicked so I didn't see any abuse. Also, nothing says a kick function here has to be exactly the same as WOWs. Even without the kick function, I still feel having injuries should prevent you from entering an STF until you are healed.
Another poster said something about sharing. I am all for that, but when you ask them 3-5 times if they need help in healing themselves and they ignore you, what can you do? Nothing. I have even asked people in other languages if they need help and still nothing.
I do feel the "No STFs till healed" idea is solid and it will make people think more before just randomly trying to enter the que. What better reminder than to have the que tell you no with a short message that says something along the lines of "You must heal your wounds before entering this instance." How hard can it possibly be to have something like this in game?
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1) Nobody can go into an STF with a Shuttle or a ship less than Tier 5.
2) Nobody can enter an STF with anykind of ship damage or personal injury.
To me, I think the necessity for a Kick Option weighs more than the possiblity of them being exploited.
Those who likely exploit the kick option are groups of friends or griefer fleets. Which can easily be flagged by GMs and dealt with. And with individuals, to view the report to see if the person petitioning the GM is a person who has multiple offenses (being kicked by players), or those initializing the kick has done it multiple times (even over multiple days).
Anything else like autodection could easily be avoided by griefers by simply moving or putting in a minimum amount of performance to avoid the boot. I personally witnesses this today in Fleet Red Alert and Azure Rescue. Where a person waited for a particular amount of time, and came in before the end to look like they weren't mooching. All the while needing loot they didn't earn.
BTW with the Kick option, makes me wonder if it should be per basis, or should have a cooldown like the STFs if booted, where you are locked out for an hour?
Going to have to stop you there and say no.
Tier 4 ships are not only viable in STFs but are for some people the only ships available as Tier 5 ships can only be brought with Zen, and locking STF content out because someone hasn't brought a Tier 5 ship would go against Cryptic's policy of not putting content behind paywalls.
Do it, Cryptic!
I like your attitude towards a zero tolerance policy for this kind of player neglect.
Rather than push for a new system, that will unlikely ever come, I recommend you find a global channel dedicated to running STFs if you are not already doing so.
EliteSTF has a very zero tolerance policy towards channel chatter beyond forming teams, afkers/leeches, people who abandon teams, etc.
I'm not a mod of this channel, but I've run STFs through this channel for over a year with little issue - send an in-game e-mail to one of the channel mods for an invite. (Here is a thread on it, There is newer channel thread somewhere on the forums but I was unable to locate it).
A lot of times I run something then go to bed. By the next time I play that character I might forget I got damaged, and thus queue up again without healing it. Getting a reminder in the form of not being allowed into the queue would be perfect.
Got my vote for this one.
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Beyond this anything else may be heavy handed, I've had bad runs where the Borg just blink in my general direction and I go up in flames - and perhaps I don't have as many minor components in my bank I thought I had. Due to the injuries I would already suffer loot penalties because my ship would be unable to put out as much damage, it seems unfair to me to 'disqualify' a player once in map because they don't have the means to keep fixing themselves.
So Cryptic...what do you say?
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