I was thinking due to failure in the recent tournament, how about this as a suggestion:
1. The max ship level is Rear Admiral level!...............
I like this rules about no p2w, but only one problem for me, i dont have any RA ship, and as i know there are no mirror escorts for feds, so i need to spend 120.000 dilithium to buy Advanced or Patrol escort... Its to much cost for a ship i will use 2-3 matches
One possible way of funding the rewards for prizes is have an entry fee of 1 mill ec per player and split that between the top 3 teams something like 60 30 10 split or other tier'd split depending on finish order
I think placates are too difficult to enforce, and could make it inconvenient for players who don't have ready access to the appropriate alts without them.
That being said, I love the idea of a "S1.2" tournament, but I also want to see the old tournament come back in some form.
personally I think rep system can't be avoided! don't need old school characters! let the free 2 players come have fun as they are
I will say though since the other tourney is going on still, this is the next future tourney and I will defiantly host this after the official one. this tourney will show skill not pay 2 win!
Since its not endorsed by cryptic! I will work out some kind of rewards for top 3 fleets
Work a proper rule system that's fair but old school!
Peace all great support!
What other turny... I thought a dev canceled it... I guess it wasn't player run. lol
I think placates are too difficult to enforce, and could make it inconvenient for players who don't have ready access to the appropriate alts without them.
That being said, I love the idea of a "S1.2" tournament, but I also want to see the old tournament come back in some form.
I think we all have multiple toons.... picking one and simply REFUSING to level the rep isn't asking all that much. I do have most of my toons to the tier 2 passives... but I do have a couple with out and would be willing to fly them unleveled.
I know enforcing that is next to impossible however... really though considering the heal fests we used to get into with engi cruisers and sci healers... the thought of those guys all having tier 4 shield regen TRIBBLE is not cool.
I'm down for this, but everyone seems to have conflicting rules. Somebody iron them out!
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I like this rules about no p2w, but only one problem for me, i dont have any RA ship, and as i know there are no mirror escorts for feds, so i need to spend 120.000 dilithium to buy Advanced or Patrol escort... Its to much cost for a ship i will use 2-3 matches
I suppose that this is a reason that one should allow the Defiant (and maybe also the Galaxy/Intrepid) as pure ships, but probably without cloak and ablative armor.
It is an even bigger problem for the KDF because they only have the Mirror Qin. But then again - who plays KDF anymore?
In that case any ship allowed but no console abilities.
No. I think the MVAM and ships that followed it lead to a loss of ship class identity and a decline in balance between ships. (Just look at how the Feds now basically have every sensible boff layout that the BoP can run without any of its drawbacks.)
And removing the incentive to acquire lockbox ships is a good thing in my opinion.
Or are you talking only about the original VA token ships?
It is an even bigger problem for the KDF because they only have the Mirror Qin. But then again - who plays KDF anymore?
I think the Mirror Qin should be allowed unless all Mirror ship are excluded and given that the Mirror ships are comparable to the RA ships I see no reason to exclude them. Also, some of us do still play KDF, at least when the queues allow it anyway.
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I think the Mirror Qin should be allowed unless all Mirror ship are excluded
The reason why the Fed mirror ships should be allowed to reduce ship prices is that they are just like the original ships, only with a different look.
The mirror Qin on the other hand as a slightly different boff layout. (Although I think that the KDF deserves a Fleet Escort version of their own and thus should be granted access to to the mirror Qin.)
The reason why the Fed mirror ships should be allowed to reduce ship prices is that they are just like the original ships, only with a different look.
The mirror Qin on the other hand as a slightly different boff layout. (Although I think that the KDF deserves a Fleet Escort version of their own and thus should be granted access to to the mirror Qin.)
A fair point, though given the lack of KDF options compared to FED it would be somewhat limiting to not allow it. Also I just noticed that the Mirror Vor'cha is not on the list at all. It is in a similar situation to the Mirror Qin and it would be nice too see it included to offer some reduced cost options and a bit more variety KDF side.
_________________________ TRIBBLE | -Show Me Your Critz- Svarog | Veles | et al.
A fair point, though given the lack of KDF options compared to FED it would be somewhat limiting to not allow it. Also I just noticed that the Mirror Vor'cha is not on the list at all. It is in a similar situation to the Mirror Qin and it would be nice too see it included to offer some reduced cost options and a bit more variety KDF side.
I'd say the Marauder too since it was a S2 ship. Plus w/o it the KDF is somewhat gimped over the feds for healing. At least it's my opinion that the Marauder was the best healer KDF before all the hax lockbox ships.
I'd say the Marauder too since it was a S2 ship. Plus w/o it the KDF is somewhat gimped over the feds for healing. At least it's my opinion that the Marauder was the best healer KDF before all the hax lockbox ships.
I'm torn when it comes to the marauder. The marauder and the varanus are ships that move the KDF towards a carbon copy of the federation and dilute the original appeal of FvK pvp with its waiting for the first attack from cloak.
And I think hangar pets on the marauder would need to be banned if it was allowed.
Opinions on this?
(And the B'rel, which is also available with a VA token: not a problem when it's run as a regular escort-type ship, but as a cloaked healer or mine layer? Not sure that it's a good idea.)
And count me in on a critz team. I have a KDF sci and 2 Engies I can use. Still have my Negh'var pimped with old MK X/XI (from S3) gear too. It's hax!
I could bring my tact, too. It's not even T1 rep anything yet. Be fun to fly a old Raptor again. It was certainly a good ship.
Nice, i would only come back for something like this, The normal pvp i dont find fun anymore with all the cheese, drama, taped conversations, etc, but this seems like it could be fun! i hope it gets off the ground.
Nice, i would only come back for something like this, The normal pvp i dont find fun anymore with all the cheese, drama, taped conversations, etc, but this seems like it could be fun! i hope it gets off the ground.
I hear you man. I really hope this does go. I remember Mai was thinking something similar for a TSI funday but it flopped!
I'm torn when it comes to the marauder. The marauder and the varanus are ships that move the KDF towards a carbon copy of the federation and dilute the original appeal of FvK pvp with its waiting for the first attack from cloak.
And I think hangar pets on the marauder would need to be banned if it was allowed.
Opinions on this?
(And the B'rel, which is also available with a VA token: not a problem when it's run as a regular escort-type ship, but as a cloaked healer or mine layer? Not sure that it's a good idea.)
The old mauradering (sp) TRIBBLE was junk anyway. I think it was like a boarding party with a mine of sorts. Or maybe that was after a buff. I don't recall, I rarely used that on the ship. I just love the 3 science slots. But certainly not a event changing rule. The neggy was a fine healer, just have to give up a TSS or HE for a ST.
the exact same thing is going to happen. Everyone has their own opinion of what should be allowed and what shouldnt.
But here is a obvious issue. If you can not police it then you cant have it as a rule.
In other words it very hard to tell what the opponent has when it comes to consoles and doffs.
So it cant happen guys.
My honest opinion. Play it with everything allowed. Yes it might become a tric war. But you know no one is cheating.
STO has to fix itself. We cant sit here and fix it ourselves qadn expect conflict like what happen not occur again and again.
Until then you can fight over what doffs you can have or what consoles. In the end you are allowing conflict to infect you on a system you can not control. In the end you lost friends and your own temper.
I disagree. I trust Pandas and TSI to run honest, and I know my friends in -X- and Critz would, too. That's a solid start for some EPIC fights!
In all honesty, if the layout follows a season, being as true to the season while taking into account current game changes, the 'preface' or 'rules' should be easy enough to follow.
You are correct that many will have preferences, but, again, as true to the season as possible and the offense should be minimal.
STO has to fix itself. We cant sit here and fix it ourselves qadn expect conflict like what happen not occur again and again.
Don't ask what the game can do for you, ask what you can do for the game.
People we're saying we shouldn't police our self 2 years ago because the game would sort it self out.
Look where we are now. The game is worse than ever.
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my point is that you cant police them. If TSI , Panda, or Turkish wanted to cheat they could. Its would be difficult to impossible to monitor. You cant police something you don't have control over. You could always get the code, reprogram, then host your own STO server with the corrected balance. But that just isnt possible.
In football its common to say if your not cheating your not trying.
I don't agree with this motto but most of the world does.
The game controls the rules. The programming is there.
I understand what everyone is trying to do but its just not possible.
Switch games to find the balance you want or play this game as intended (the whole flawed game).
People we're saying we shouldn't police our self 2 years ago because the game would sort it self out.
Look where we are now. The game is worse than ever.
I feel you on this. i have been here off and on since Beta. But you cant make this game what it isnt. If you want a balance approach you have Eve, wow, World of Tanks..ect...all kind of games that obviously produce PVP programming on a more constant rate.
STO just isnt there yet. Arguably may never go there unless their mission statement says so.
Currently they have some great missions statements. But PVP is not one of them.
People we're saying we shouldn't police our self 2 years ago because the game would sort it self out.
Look where we are now. The game is worse than ever.
QFT, all the waiting being friendly and constructive has made the releases to holo worse instead of better.
It's time Gecko and Dstahl get a pair of new goggles and faces the music. Unfortunately there is absolute zero indication of this going to happen, so....expect more unfun stuff and enjoy your pet spam
QFT, all the waiting being friendly and constructive has made the releases to holo worse instead of better.
It's time Gecko and Dstahl get a pair of new goggles and faces the music. Unfortunately there is absolute zero indication of this going to happen, so....expect more unfun stuff and enjoy your pet spam
I feel you on this. i have been here off and on since Beta. But you cant make this game what it isnt. If you want a balance approach you have Eve, wow, World of Tanks..ect...all kind of games that obviously produce PVP programming on a more constant rate.
STO just isnt there yet. Arguably may never go there unless their mission statement says so.
Currently they have some great missions statements. But PVP is not one of them.
Let's move this to the more appropriate thread and not derail this one!
.The Spanish Inquisition. TSI -- Star Trek Online PvP Vidoes (Youtube) /channel_join OrganizedPVP If you are interested in learning PVP, looking for a team, or a private match.
In all games i know it is normal, that in PVP the players always try to play the best they can play, AND use the best equipment in their eyes - this give a chance too to find *YOUR OWN PLAY STYLE*
When i read your rules, i get the feeling, that you are too much in the arena, and dont want spend time in the (pve)game, to grind for example for a better equipment - But this PVE is also part of the game, and in every arena i know there is also to see a mirror of the business possiblities of a gamer
So i cannot understand, that you want forbid things wich are normal available for EVERYBODY, for example in the exchange
Please dont think now that i love the *pay to win PVP* - but if everybody would fly the same ship with the same equipment, dont you think this will become boring?
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I like this rules about no p2w, but only one problem for me, i dont have any RA ship, and as i know there are no mirror escorts for feds, so i need to spend 120.000 dilithium to buy Advanced or Patrol escort... Its to much cost for a ship i will use 2-3 matches
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That being said, I love the idea of a "S1.2" tournament, but I also want to see the old tournament come back in some form.
What other turny... I thought a dev canceled it... I guess it wasn't player run. lol
I think we all have multiple toons.... picking one and simply REFUSING to level the rep isn't asking all that much. I do have most of my toons to the tier 2 passives... but I do have a couple with out and would be willing to fly them unleveled.
I know enforcing that is next to impossible however... really though considering the heal fests we used to get into with engi cruisers and sci healers... the thought of those guys all having tier 4 shield regen TRIBBLE is not cool.
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Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
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It is an even bigger problem for the KDF because they only have the Mirror Qin. But then again - who plays KDF anymore?
And removing the incentive to acquire lockbox ships is a good thing in my opinion.
Or are you talking only about the original VA token ships?
I think the Mirror Qin should be allowed unless all Mirror ship are excluded and given that the Mirror ships are comparable to the RA ships I see no reason to exclude them. Also, some of us do still play KDF, at least when the queues allow it anyway.
TRIBBLE | -Show Me Your Critz-
Svarog | Veles | et al.
The mirror Qin on the other hand as a slightly different boff layout. (Although I think that the KDF deserves a Fleet Escort version of their own and thus should be granted access to to the mirror Qin.)
A fair point, though given the lack of KDF options compared to FED it would be somewhat limiting to not allow it. Also I just noticed that the Mirror Vor'cha is not on the list at all. It is in a similar situation to the Mirror Qin and it would be nice too see it included to offer some reduced cost options and a bit more variety KDF side.
TRIBBLE | -Show Me Your Critz-
Svarog | Veles | et al.
I demanded you return and here you are
And count me in on a critz team. I have a KDF sci and 2 Engies I can use. Still have my Negh'var pimped with old MK X/XI (from S3) gear too. It's hax!
I could bring my tact, too. It's not even T1 rep anything yet. Be fun to fly a old Raptor again. It was certainly a good ship.
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I'd say the Marauder too since it was a S2 ship. Plus w/o it the KDF is somewhat gimped over the feds for healing. At least it's my opinion that the Marauder was the best healer KDF before all the hax lockbox ships.
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And I think hangar pets on the marauder would need to be banned if it was allowed.
Opinions on this?
(And the B'rel, which is also available with a VA token: not a problem when it's run as a regular escort-type ship, but as a cloaked healer or mine layer? Not sure that it's a good idea.)
Nice, i would only come back for something like this, The normal pvp i dont find fun anymore with all the cheese, drama, taped conversations, etc, but this seems like it could be fun! i hope it gets off the ground.
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I hear you man. I really hope this does go. I remember Mai was thinking something similar for a TSI funday but it flopped!
The old mauradering (sp) TRIBBLE was junk anyway. I think it was like a boarding party with a mine of sorts. Or maybe that was after a buff. I don't recall, I rarely used that on the ship. I just love the 3 science slots. But certainly not a event changing rule. The neggy was a fine healer, just have to give up a TSS or HE for a ST.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
But here is a obvious issue. If you can not police it then you cant have it as a rule.
In other words it very hard to tell what the opponent has when it comes to consoles and doffs.
So it cant happen guys.
My honest opinion. Play it with everything allowed. Yes it might become a tric war. But you know no one is cheating.
STO has to fix itself. We cant sit here and fix it ourselves qadn expect conflict like what happen not occur again and again.
Until then you can fight over what doffs you can have or what consoles. In the end you are allowing conflict to infect you on a system you can not control. In the end you lost friends and your own temper.
Sorry just being honest.
In all honesty, if the layout follows a season, being as true to the season while taking into account current game changes, the 'preface' or 'rules' should be easy enough to follow.
You are correct that many will have preferences, but, again, as true to the season as possible and the offense should be minimal.
CHEERS!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
People we're saying we shouldn't police our self 2 years ago because the game would sort it self out.
Look where we are now. The game is worse than ever.
TSI -- Star Trek Online PvP Vidoes (Youtube)
/channel_join OrganizedPVP If you are interested in learning PVP, looking for a team, or a private match.
In football its common to say if your not cheating your not trying.
I don't agree with this motto but most of the world does.
The game controls the rules. The programming is there.
I understand what everyone is trying to do but its just not possible.
Switch games to find the balance you want or play this game as intended (the whole flawed game).
I feel you on this. i have been here off and on since Beta. But you cant make this game what it isnt. If you want a balance approach you have Eve, wow, World of Tanks..ect...all kind of games that obviously produce PVP programming on a more constant rate.
STO just isnt there yet. Arguably may never go there unless their mission statement says so.
Currently they have some great missions statements. But PVP is not one of them.
QFT, all the waiting being friendly and constructive has made the releases to holo worse instead of better.
It's time Gecko and Dstahl get a pair of new goggles and faces the music. Unfortunately there is absolute zero indication of this going to happen, so....expect more unfun stuff and enjoy your pet spam
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a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
Let's move this to the more appropriate thread and not derail this one!
TSI -- Star Trek Online PvP Vidoes (Youtube)
/channel_join OrganizedPVP If you are interested in learning PVP, looking for a team, or a private match.
I do NOT agree with this rules
In all games i know it is normal, that in PVP the players always try to play the best they can play, AND use the best equipment in their eyes - this give a chance too to find *YOUR OWN PLAY STYLE*
When i read your rules, i get the feeling, that you are too much in the arena, and dont want spend time in the (pve)game, to grind for example for a better equipment - But this PVE is also part of the game, and in every arena i know there is also to see a mirror of the business possiblities of a gamer
So i cannot understand, that you want forbid things wich are normal available for EVERYBODY, for example in the exchange
Please dont think now that i love the *pay to win PVP* - but if everybody would fly the same ship with the same equipment, dont you think this will become boring?
Cya in the Arena
Tacko ^^