Classic Tournament Possibility (Unofficial/Player-run)

the4monkeys · January 2013

I was thinking due to failure in the recent tournament, how about this as a suggestion:

1. The max ship level is Rear Admiral level!
2. No doffs
3. No Pay 2 win consoles
4. No trycobalts and trans-phasic cluster torpedo's- due to the messed buff.
5. Mirror ships are allowed due to cheaper in some cases example mirror assault.
6. Max 3 captains
7. Max 3 same ships
8. Hanger pets are normal quality
9. Mix teams ( due to no science ship on kling-on side really)
10. 1 carrier max kling-on side
11. No LOCK-box ships they are considered Pay2Win/ either at RA/VA level!
The ideas is quite simple back to the old school how do people feel about this?

novalous · January 2013

TRIBBLE. is in.

thumapp · January 2013

TSI is of course also in on this!

mancom · January 2013

Sounds like fun.

I wonder whether set items (borg/maco/omega) should be allowed or not or only partially (maybe only the old borg set?). No need to include fancy new rep/fleet gear for a classic tournament imo.

keisyea · January 2013

thumapp wrote: »

TSI is of course also in on this!

I approve this message.

devorasx · January 2013

I approve of this! Time to drag out my Intrepid!

mancom · January 2013

devorasx wrote: »

I approve of this! Time to drag out my Intrepid!

I think the Intrepid might not be allowed. It's VA ship, isn't it?

devorasx · January 2013

mancom wrote: »

I think the Intrepid might not be allowed. It's VA ship, isn't it?

If im not mistaken it should be a RA. Let me check...

Aha! The LRSV refit is a captain ship! Think im way within good reach of the rules.

mancom · January 2013

devorasx wrote: »

Aha! The LRSV refit is a captain ship! Think im way within good reach of the rules.

Only if you fly the T4 captain version instead of the VA one.

But the final rules need to be more specific anyway. E.g. the T5 Excelsior is an RA ship iirc, but this would certainly go against the spirit of a classic setup.

thumapp · January 2013

mancom wrote: »

Only if you fly the T4 captain version instead of the VA one.

But the final rules need to be more specific anyway. E.g. the T5 Excelsior is an RA ship iirc, but this would certainly go against the spirit of a classic setup.

Yes, but I think right now they're just looking to see if there's enough interest for this sort of thing.

I'm sure if we pass this stage we can iron out all the rules on google docs or something.

mancom · January 2013

Maybe we could even take this idea a step further and try to get as many players as possible onboard with such a ruleset and encourage players to fly these setups in the regular queues.

Maybe give a ship that is set up this way an oldschool -CLA- (or -S1.2- or something) tag as part of the ship name, so that one can see whether one is fighting a classic team?

devorasx · January 2013

mancom wrote: »

Maybe we could even take this idea a step further and try to get as many players as possible onboard with such a ruleset and encourage players to fly these setups in the regular queues.

Maybe give a ship that is set up this way an oldschool -CLA- (or -S1.2- or something) tag as part of the ship name, so that one can see whether one is fighting a classic team?

absolutly agree with this. Proactivly getting the game back to 1.2.

antoniosalieri · January 2013

This is a good way to show Cryptic we refuse to be party to there horrid design decisions from the last 2 years. Any arguments we get into as a community may catch flame due to our nature as pvp people... however the spark is ALWAYS some terrible design issue... isn't it.

I agree we could simply provide a list of approved ships.

We could even just make it a Mirror ship tourney... they gave us 2 mirror cruisers 2 mirror sci and 1 escort at least in the raptor.

With limits on the ships and all consoles... we can then pretty much say all boff skills are fair game and really there shouldn't be any issues.

empireofsteve · January 2013

I can agree to this as long as ALL cannons are banned as well as people are limited to using Ens and LT abilities on ships ONLY. If you cannot agree to this then NONE of you are really serious about this.

snoge00f · January 2013

Quit trolling, dude.

Cannons are not special equipment or junk.

snoge00f · January 2013

And yes to the OP, I'm down.

I think I can get a few OPvPers to team up with.

omgrandalthor · January 2013

take advanced escort out of the mothball fleet!

mancom · January 2013

I think it would be beneficial to eventually have a codified version of Classic PVP rules.

Here is a first very rough draft: http://hilbertguide.com/classic.html

This way, if it catches on and we can agree on a ruleset, one could simply refer to this document instead of re-negotiating the rules everytime.

dontdrunkimshoot · January 2013

mancom wrote: »

I think it would be beneficial to eventually have a codified version of Classic PVP rules.

Here is a first very rough draft: http://hilbertguide.com/classic.html

This way, if it catches on and we can agree on a ruleset, one could simply refer to this document instead of re-negotiating the rules everytime.

i don't see why the mirror qin or vorcha, or vorcha R couldn't be allowed if the fed mirror are.

maybe even the not op c store ships pre odyssey and pre F2P. like the excel, vulcan, nebula, dreadnought, galaxy, defient, intrepid, gurumba, gorn sci, orian cruiser, and MVAM. but anything with a special console should not be able to use it, maybe even no phaser or disruptor lance

i would say NO sets, ether weapon, consoles or equipment, and no lobi items. but any standard weapon, console, and equipment, even purple mkXII. making people top out at purple mkX is kinda unreasonable.

xtremenoob1 · January 2013

mancom wrote: »

I think it would be beneficial to eventually have a codified version of Classic PVP rules.

Here is a first very rough draft: http://hilbertguide.com/classic.html

This way, if it catches on and we can agree on a ruleset, one could simply refer to this document instead of re-negotiating the rules everytime.

The standard vorcha is missing.

If the defiant/intrepid/ (galaxy > S2???) (dreadnought<s3???) are possibly up for consideration, the Marauder and varanus should be in the list, too. I know the Marauder was pre-S3.

Aegis is missing as a set ban. I believe aegis/borg was > S2?

cloaking tractor mines would be another to add. they were > S2

dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »

i don't see why the mirror qin or vorcha, or vorcha R couldn't be allowed if the fed mirror are.

maybe even the not op c store ships pre odyssey and pre F2P. like the excel, vulcan, nebula, dreadnought, galaxy, defient, intrepid, gurumba, gorn sci, orian cruiser, and MVAM. but anything with a special console should not be able to use it, maybe even no phaser or disruptor lance

i would say NO sets, ether weapon, consoles or equipment, and no lobi items. but any standard weapon, console, and equipment, even purple mkXII. making people top out at purple mkX is kinda unreasonable.

This is a very good question. Limit to MK XI R consoles and what about actual gear? All MK XI/XII R/VR deflectors/engines/shields are all mostly cheap. IE, would a [CAPx3] MK XII resilent be banned since it wouldn't have been available?

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Super awesome idea though love to see this actually get some momentum. I know I have several toons I haven't, or have barely started the rep on, so would certainly be game to
add them in for something like this.

NOTE some of my information could be mistaken, as trying to recall specifics from 2+ years ago happens. THANKS!

zorena · January 2013

Question is tho is the rep system allowed and if not how do the organizers know that and how do you suppose we shut if off if we want to make it without it?

xtremenoob1 · January 2013

zorandra wrote: »

Question is tho is the rep system allowed and if not how do the organizers know that and how do you suppose we shut if off if we want to make it without it?

i would hope it would be disabled and I would hope we could trust the integrity of the players. If not, perhaps there is something in logs that can verify at least some aspects of the rep?

p2wsucks · January 2013

mancom wrote: »

I think it would be beneficial to eventually have a codified version of Classic PVP rules.

Here is a first very rough draft: http://hilbertguide.com/classic.html

This way, if it catches on and we can agree on a ruleset, one could simply refer to this document instead of re-negotiating the rules everytime.

You forgot Aegis for space sets.

Also, based on the other "up for discussion" ship options you should have the B'rel and Karfi (token options at one point), since you include like tier options on the Fed side. Though, personally I'd be no for all of those.

Also, you should have limit on carrier pets (green or white only, not sure what was round than).

Along the lines of Red Matter I'd disqualify batteries which effect more than one system and Red Matter Cap.

For rep skills, I'd disqualify toons w/the placate proc.

Was Deut around than? If not disqualify that as well?

p2wsucks · January 2013

xtremenoob1 wrote: »

i would hope it would be disabled and I would hope we could trust the integrity of the players. If not, perhaps there is something in logs that can verify at least some aspects of the rep?

It's too much to ask people to respec main's to drop Rep skills.

Which leaves asking people to make alts for just this play format, not sure it that would go over well either. Though, w/o Doffs/Rep/Fleet stuff it wouldn't take long to do, a weekend maybe.

radkip · January 2013

zorandra wrote: »

Question is tho is the rep system allowed and if not how do the organizers know that and how do you suppose we shut if off if we want to make it without it?

Perhaps make a "classic only character" and do nothing with the rep systems on them?

Although I guess then the issue is the c-store ships and the super tweaked out mk xi [acc]x3 people like to charge extortionate amounts for...

shimmerless · January 2013

radkip wrote: »

Perhaps make a "classic only character" and do nothing with the rep systems on them?

Although I guess then the issue is the c-store ships and the super tweaked out mk xi [acc]x3 people like to charge extortionate amounts for...

The thing is, a few of the rep skills are just innate passives to a space/ground stat, like +30 weaps, +3% crit or +30 emitters. They're not a big deal in the scheme of things but it'd be terribly difficult to try and "police" their use.

mancom · January 2013

Many good ideas.

Regarding the ships: I really wouldn't want to include the Karfi. The frigate pets are evil. And the Brel opens up possible problems with the enhanced battle cloak and permacloak tactics. In general the VA klingon ships (varanus, marauder, gurumba) introduced non-cloak mechanics which robbed the KDF of their identity, so I'm a bit hesitant there. The mirror qin and the vorcha would probably be okay I guess.
I definitely wouldn't want to have the Vulcan ship (pet spam!) and the MVAM (pet spam and LtC Sci on a non-Bop escort). Dreadnought is probably not a problem, but who would seriously fly that? The Excelsior and Nebula started the trend towards LtCs that did not match the ship class, so maybe they should be excluded?

Regarding Mk XII gear: I think Mk XII can be allowed. I don't really see a problem with people upgrading to Mk XII instead of old XI gear.

And I like my RMC! I want to keep it!

dontdrunkimshoot · January 2013

all stock RA ships, including additions like the vorcha R, and mirror ships. i remember when the vorcha R was introduced, that was an awesome day. wish i had thought to put a tac in one sooner then a year later.

things like the defiant, excelsior, nebula, they are mostly better ships then the more basic alternative, maybe best to do without any of those c store ships.

but perhaps allow the vanarus for kdf, its just a deep space sci with a worse shield mod.

cant do much about the passives, asking people to respec them off is asking to much. just dont use the tier 5 rom passive at all.

the4monkeys · January 2013

wow guys seeing so much in this topic!

personally I think rep system can't be avoided! don't need old school characters! let the free 2 players come have fun as they are

I will say though since the other tourney is going on still, this is the next future tourney and I will defiantly host this after the official one. this tourney will show skill not pay 2 win!

Since its not endorsed by cryptic! I will work out some kind of rewards for top 3 fleets

Work a proper rule system that's fair but old school!

Peace all great support!

xtremenoob1 · January 2013

My only arguement against passives is the obvious increase in critz for tacticals. Otherwise they aren't too terrible. And the placate TRIBBLE.

cheers!

Classic Tournament Possibility (Unofficial/Player-run)

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